I'm kinda sitting on the fence here as I can see both sides. The Eva Facebook thing is clearly a bad move but other than that she and the physio did nothing wrong - in fact they did everything you would expect from your medical team.

 

I love Jose's passion and how he hates failure but his reaction at the time was completely OTT and now this talk of BOTH medics not being on the bench is utterly unbelievable. The media have blown this up, but that is what you will get with Mourinho - it's always a big story whenever he is involved and this could so easily have been avoided if he hadn't reacted the way he did and the subsequent talk of the medics being taken off the bench.

 

I admire those who back Mourinho all the way, but surely even his most diehard fan can see he hasn't handled things well here.

 

Just hope we put in a great performance against City on Sunday and then we can all look to move on.

/\ brilliant post Shelly

Edited August 13, 201510 yr by Droogba

I'm kinda sitting on the fence here as I can see both sides. The Eva Facebook thing is clearly a bad move but other than that she and the physio did nothing wrong - in fact they did everything you would expect from your medical team.

I love Jose's passion and how he hates failure but his reaction at the time was completely OTT and now this talk of BOTH medics not being on the bench is utterly unbelievable. The media have blown this up, but that is what you will get with Mourinho - it's always a big story whenever he is involved and this could so easily have been avoided if he hadn't reacted the way he did and the subsequent talk of the medics being taken off the bench.

I admire those who back Mourinho all the way, but surely even his most diehard fan can see he hasn't handled things well here.

Just hope we put in a great performance against City on Sunday and then we can all look to move on.

Well said lad.

Pretty female doctor and the Enemy of Football.

 

Gee, I wonder which one is going to get universal public backing, even in the absence of all the facts.

 

Strange that so little has been said of the male physio who also entered the pitch.

That's complete bollocks. There is a massive difference between diagnosing someone with a problem and knowing If they are seriously hurt, and if people could tell he wasn't hurt from hundreds of miles away why couldn't the medical team from a few feet.

The type of challenge made was never going to result in a bad injury so all this ' they have a duty of care ' rubbish is nonsense. Of course they do, ONLY if the players health, safety and welfare is in jeopardy , which it most certainly was NOT

 

 

I'm glad you're capable of making an assessment on the severity of a player's injury all the way from your living room sofa. I prefer to trust the professionals that deal with the situation personally.

 

For your information, players can suffer some serious damage to their health or even die on the pitch without any physical contact, when for instance things like cardiac arrest happen, Bolton's Muamba or Sevilla's Puerta are just two examples. Medical professionals shouldn't rely on guesswork, otherwise they have no business being in that business.

 

And once more, it doesn't matter what you, I, every Shed End forum poster, Jose or the whole CFC medical department thought of the incident. The only thing that's relevant is that the referee signaled for the medical team to attend to the player and they had no other choice but to do so.

Pretty female doctor and the Enemy of Football.

 

Gee, I wonder which one is going to get universal public backing, even in the absence of all the facts.

 

Strange that so little has been said of the male physio who also entered the pitch.

Has there been a 'Beauty and the Beast' headline yet?

It's all part of Jose's masterplan. 

Your post whether you like it or not is a classic case of letting the media completely influence your perception of the actuall events. Sadly, this happens to 99% of people on 99% of issues. 

 

 

spot on barak 81 …spot on 

 

 

hi lads i'm new in here …just give you a  blue foreigner point of view ……

 

british journalism is definitely one of the best in world ……..until does come to football journalism 

british supporters are possibly the best in world ……………until they  get influence by the terroristic footy journalism 

british politic is the best in world ………………………………until politically correct does ruined every thing         

 

from the other hand english managers are crap …………….until a Messiah come alone  and show you the way to be a winner and play the game 

 

after they(f.a.) sanitize the terraces  now they'll start to sanitize and brainwash  the thinking of supporters ,with the unfair terroristic  help of the media (the-reds)

 

the way jose has been treated and slated ,,,,is far from unfair ,,actually is ….awful , unjust ,  unloyal  and dirty as hell

 

the way chelsea  has been treated  in the press …is horrible and unfair 

 

the way many of our supporters are turning against jose is incredibly  unfair  unjust  and  disgusting 

 

Careful  what you wishing for…..may be  55 years of wait and pain were no enough ……. stand and fight for your leader 

 

 

 

 

 

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Edited August 13, 201510 yr by jose il re'

 

the way jose has been treated and slated ,,,,is far from unfair ,,actually is ….awful , unjust ,  unloyal  and dirty as hell

 

the way chelsea  has been treated  in the press …is horrible and unfair 

 

the way many of our supporters are turning against jose is incredibly  unfair  unjust  and  disgusting 

 

Careful  what you wishing for…..may be  55 years of wait and pain were no enough ……. stand and fight for your leader 

 

 

 

 

 

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No-one is turning against Jose. He may be the special one (not currently the happy one) but just like all human beings, sometimes he makes mistakes or gets things wrong and folk are quire entitled to discuss that when he does.

spot on barak 81 …spot on 

 

 

hi lads i'm new in here …just give you a  blue foreigner point of view ……

 

british journalism is definitely one of the best

 

 

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Dread to think what the rest is like.

Welcome Jose the King.

Whether she likes it or not, Eva Carneiro has become a celebrity doctor working in a predominantly male environment. Admittedly, up until now that celebrity status has been fostered by the Chelsea fans, with interest in her also fuelled by opposition supporters at ManU, City and Arsenal abusing her on several occasions. To date, the Media has not seen fit to make a massive issue out of any of this, the assumption being that these incidents have not been particularly newsworthy (what if our fans been the abusers?) but more importantly for them, there really needed to be some sort of spark of controversy, over and above so-called banter between [media favoured] rival supporters.

 

That spark was duly provided by Jose on Saturday, causing a massive explosion of faux agenda-driven outrage initially based on the still unsubstantiated belief that his criticism of the medical staff was wrong (as manager he has every right to be critical if he thinks there is justification) and then culminating in the usual character assassination of him, this time on sexism grounds that simply do not exist. Barak’s brilliant post has done a far better job of dismantling the ongoing Media witch hunt that’s now in full swing than I could ever have done, but I would like to add the following points regarding officialdom and Ms Carneiro’s handling of the situation…

 

For me, as I stated earlier, this was primarily a managerial call made on a pitch incident at a crucial moment in the game. Irrespective of whether or not Jose was subsequently proved right about Edin’s injury (and he was) the decision to get the medical staff to the touchline was either the referee’s or Jose’s to make [not Eva’s or John Fearn‘s] and if, as The Independent suggests, ’referee Oliver twice turned to the bench after Hazard went down’ it is he who has taken matters into his own hands. Head injuries and serious leg injuries are [supposedly] governing factors for referees in this respect these days and this was neither, so the assumption must be that Oliver, for reasons known only to himself, still wanted the medical staff on, and they were ready and able to oblige. It is this last point that incensed Jose, and who can blame him after the refereeing decisions that had gone before?

 

The rest, unsurprisingly, has been blown out of all proportion and Ms Carneiro has not attempted to diffuse the situation. Indeed, as Shelly pointed out, by deliberately making a rare Facebook comment thanking those who have supported her, she has gone some way towards keeping this particular pot boiling. Can we assume that this is just a prelude to further commentary from a celebrity doctor?

 

Who knows… who cares? 

             

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Edited August 13, 201510 yr by Dorset

Jose was wrong to question his medical staff after the game.

He was wrong and they were right.

Carneiro is within her rights to post on Facebook. She has had her professionalism and competence questioned, publicly, wrongly.

Why should she or the other guy be bullied like that?

If Jose doesn't like it, he needs to look at himself and see what started this.

He is wholly to blame.

If he's worried about a counter-attack, don't throw everyone forward for the free-kick, make them all stay back.

Simples.

When Mourinho starts having pops at those who don't deserve it, such as the fans and the medical staff and so on, he takes a lot of the fun out of it for me.

He gets paid a fortune whereas the medics get paid a humble wage, and the fans pay to watch games and travel.

He has a greater duty of care IMO.

There was absolutely no need for him to go public with his criticisms, and his criticisms were wrong.

Nobody can complain about her giving a tiny bit back in public.

Good for her.

I hope he shows some decency in his press conference tomorrow.

I'm dreading the effect this will have on the squad for Sunday.

The manager has to have the respect of his players, and he has to be seen to be fair.

Neither of these things will have been achieved with this latest episode.

It will always be a controversial ride with Jose and that's fine, I love him for it, but he has to have the truth on his side and in this case he doesn't.

God knows what Roman is making of it.

Totally unnecessary Jose.

Shame on you.

I like your posts Davey, but why do you write like that lol.

 

Jose won't answer any questions to do with Eva-gate tomorrow, I'm sure of it.

british journalism is definitely one of the best

 

Dread to think what the rest is like.

Welcome Jose the King.

that's why the thing a miss the most about england is the sense ho humour ……brilliant just brilliant mate ,,,genius 

Edited August 13, 201510 yr by jose il re'

I'm glad you're capable of making an assessment on the severity of a player's injury all the way from your living room sofa. I prefer to trust the professionals that deal with the situation personally.

 

For your information, players can suffer some serious damage to their health or even die on the pitch without any physical contact, when for instance things like cardiac arrest happen, Bolton's Muamba or Sevilla's Puerta are just two examples. Medical professionals shouldn't rely on guesswork, otherwise they have no business being in that business.

 

And once more, it doesn't matter what you, I, every Shed End forum poster, Jose or the whole CFC medical department thought of the incident. The only thing that's relevant is that the referee signaled for the medical team to attend to the player and they had no other choice but to do so.

 

mmmm...abra -  just let me say that you're a stalwart on here who is valued & I'll always read your posts & most of the time I agree with you regarding various issues that crop up. But not on this.

 

I think the first point to be made is the foul on Hazard - let's be objective about this - it was a pretty innocuous body check - no more, no less. Given that, I don't think you have to have credentials from John Hopkins to understand that he wasn't injured per se. Sure, he may have fallen a bit awkwardly but really....to launch into a tirade, as you do, regarding the possibility of heart failure etc etc.  You're not usually prone to exaggerate the case so why now?

 

As far as he ref is concerned - surely you must recognize that they are instructed & trained to signal for the medicos either because of their own concern for the player's welfare and/or because (which is usually the case) they are under an on-going stipulation from the FA to 'keep things moving' in a game. If that means signalling for the medicos then they will invariably do it. It seems to me that in so far as the material ref was concerned his signal was motivated by the latter was it not? Now in those circumstances, I agree that the medicos have no choice to attend to the player - which they did. But in doing so - what should their reaction be once they attend on the player? I would've thought, quite naturally, they ask him what is wrong. If Hazard can't say because he is winded then it becomes pretty clear immediately what the problem is. At that point the medicos should be telling the ref that in their view the player is winded & that their is nothing they can do & that there is no point taking the player to the sideline. Now the ref in that situation has a clear choice - does he motion the medicos to take the player off regardless or does he just give the player 30 secs or so to recover sufficiently & in doing so not penalize the team for having a man down through no fault of its own? The reality is that during the incident, the player over-reacted, the medicos over-reacted & the ref over-reacted. It was a combination of all three. Then Jose over-reacted on the sideline but I can understand his frustration. Later he should have demurred to the question asked of him in the press conference. But he didn't. Eva then over-reacted by using social media which is a big no-no. It's an unfortunate confluence of events. But, in saying this, these things happen from time to time. It's all a bit of a storm in a tea-cup really. Not very well handled but....in the scheme of the bigger picture hardly worth the endless theoryrising & endless doom laden projections is it?

(Taking the club, player, etc out of this question) Surely if a player gets up and is seen by the Ref / Bench not to require medical attention, then this issue is avoided? i.e. is too much attention being given to the role of the medics and not enough to why Hazard (as I say, this is nothing personal) didn't make it clear that he was ok?

Bring back the man, the bucket, the sponge.

Saw some tweets taken from papers saying that Roman was very unhappy with Jose because of the negative PR attention and club officials are in "crisis mode" because they fear Eva might go down constructive dismissal.

Saw some tweets taken from papers saying that Roman was very unhappy with Jose because of the negative PR attention and club officials are in "crisis mode" because they fear Eva might go down constructive dismissal.

 

hehe....she's been dismissed from her employment has she? If not, where is the constructive dismissal - has she resigned? Take it from me who's done a few 'constructive dismissals' in my time before the courts - buckleys....

Saw some tweets taken from papers saying that Roman was very unhappy with Jose because of the negative PR attention and club officials are in "crisis mode" because they fear Eva might go down constructive dismissal.

Ha, I'd like to see her try.

No one knows what Roman thinks.

No one knows what Roman thinks.

 

Roman doesn't actually exist, he's just an invented avatar for a committee of twelve Russia mafia bosses so they can undertake their evil business anonymously. The real Roman Abramovich was murdered by Boris Yeltsin in the early 1990s.

It's an open secret in the press which they dare not divulge because they fear risking their lives, which is why they all hate us so much. Martin Samuel is totally oblivious of it though, which is why no one takes him seriously.

Ha Ha Plokoon

Do they take turns wearing the roman suit to games ?