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Oh we are? How much are we getting? Is he going this January?

So hes hired a new agent, big deal. Doesnt mean hes leaving. It takes 2 to tango, who says we're selling?

lol, thought it would be pretty clear he's going to leave soon enough as we're showing absolutely no signs of wanting to play him.

 

Why would he hire a new agent after he's just signed a new deal this March just gone?

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lol, thought it would be pretty clear he's going to leave soon enough as we're showing absolutely no signs of wanting to play him.

Why would he hire a new agent after he's just signed a new deal this March just gone?

Aidy Ward (Sterling's agent) is his new agent. We can expect more headlines on this now...
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He has 4 and a half years left on his contract at 19, I think some people are jumping the gun a little, also he won't be able to get near the City, United or Arsenal squads just yet and would get a very similar treatment to what we have been giving him.
So I really don't think this has been done as he is angling for a move, at least not to any of our direct rivals.
He might however just be looking to put a little pressure on Chelsea to give him the odd chance here or there, or just to get his name more recognisable and increase his reputation, very useful for future transfers and higher profile loans if he wants one.

But most likely Aids thinks Musonda is likely to be a gem and has latched his claws in early. 
 

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lol, thought it would be pretty clear he's going to leave soon enough as we're showing absolutely no signs of wanting to play him.

Why would he hire a new agent after he's just signed a new deal this March just gone?

As you said hes just signed a new contract. Why would he have done that if he wants out?

Hiring a new agent could be a result of many things.

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No, but I dont think anyone is blaming him for that. Just skeptical thats what he is actually after.

Well he's at a point in his career where under 21 football probably isn't going to do much more to help him progress and develop.

If the agent change is true he's now looked after by someone who has proven he'll do anything to get what his client wants.

Whatever happens I think we need to reassess the way we're managing our youth players because I don't think the current system is proving beneficial to us or the players.

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How could we manage them better?

Its hard to give them game time for the first team as they just aren't up to that level yet, the U21's level is so poor that it isn't a competitive level for some of them and the loan system isn't reliable and can unsettle players.

The only thing I think that could change in order to help the development of these young players is to sign less of them, as with the current system we use we can't possibly bring all of them through. (I'm sure youngsters signing for us will know this though and will more likely be looking to make it as a top tier footballer). Giving these young players more attention is likely to help those individual players become world class, however I doubt these players are lacking when it comes to attention given by coaches and in training as we have a very extensive youth development team so it is more about whether they get disillusioned with the unlikely chance of making it into the first team (which yes should be a goal for these players and the youth development team but I think they should be more than happy to make top tier football which again i think is what we preach when signing these players).
And since we have invested so much into youth coach and facilities we have taken the approach of buying lots of youngsters as youth development is a bit of a lottery and this gives us a better chance of producing someone really world class, and this system has also proven to be very profitable for us and football clubs are still businesses and this helps keep us in a healthy financial position.

Admittedly the amount of youth wanting to come here might dry up especially if players think they won't further their careers here but as I stated previously in this thread there will always be pull for young players to come to Chelsea, and even if you don;t ever make it here or even play here it does massively benefit the majority of players that come here.

For example look at KdB and Lukaku signed here as youngsters and now they are international superstars sold for and earning millions. Coming to Chelsea will have been a huge part of this.  
Or on a lesser scale Thorgan Hazard plucked out of obscurity now gets to play CL football at BMG.

A big part of how you judge the system comes down to your beliefs on what is a success for these players. Whether its just making a profit, them going on to have strong careers or whether it is breaking through into the Chelsea team.
For me it is whether they will go on to have a decent career playing top tier football (BPL, La Liga, Serie A, Ligue 1) and I'm sure a lot of youngsters will be happy to achieve this.

Lets remember to play for Chelsea you should really be one of the top 100 players in the world and top 10 in your position this is no mean feat and it is hard to develop someone this good.
To play regularly in the BPL you probably need to be 1 of the best 750 players in the world and 1 of the top 50 in your position on the pitch (LCB is different to RCB) this should be seen as a massive achievement.
Also players in the Championship they will still be earning in a month what the majority of us will earn in a year and lets say top 2000 in the world, should this not be deemed a good career.

Yes I get why some people are annoyed with the system especially when you look at some of the talent we have and have had in the past and yet the first team hasn't seen the fruit of our labours but we have produced/ help produce a smattering of players around the world playing top tier football and for me this should be seen as successful or at least the beginnings of being successful.  

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The only thing I think that could change in order to help the development of these young players is to sign less of them

There's no way we'd sign less.

It's the business model, buy them young, sell them for a profit, buy seasoned players so we can compete for trophies.

It used to annoy me but I'm slowly coming around to the fact, because as much as I want the youth to come through, I don't want to be 15th every season.

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past the the point of caring any more. we have let quality youngsters go while spending fortunes on players who're now starting to look like bad decisions. hindsight is a wonderful thing and i thought myself those decisions at the time were good, but it's all coming back to bite us in the ass now. 

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There's no way we'd sign less.

It's the business model, buy them young, sell them for a profit, buy seasoned players so we can compete for trophies.

It used to annoy me but I'm slowly coming around to the fact, because as much as I want the youth to come through, I don't want to be 15th every season.

 

We're 15th because the expensive, seasoned players have been sh*t this year, not because of the youth.

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Liverpool won 1-6 away to southampton last night starting two random youths and still brought on. Jose is one of the best if not the best coach/es in the world. Regularly starting 1 or 2 youths shouldn't equate to us losing games.

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How could we manage them better?

Quite simple really. Make a decision sooner rather than constantly loaning them out. That way their potential hasn't completely stagnated and they would stand a better chance of going on to become the player they were expected to be. 

 

This probably isn't the the clubs best interest though, seems to me they value the money gained from loans and the odd big money payoffs they get from it. Not necessarily a bad thing, just wish the club would stop paying lip service about how important youth is and how they will be brought through.

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its all economics

 

Chelsea shop for their players at 'Harrods' deal with super agents like Mendes and most of the 1st team will always have a few 20-30 mill pound+ purchases in it

Occasionally Chelsea shop at M & S - players in the 5-15 mill pound range, we have a few of those in the squad, rarely if at all do CFC unearth gems from English lower leagues

like some other prem teams have and will continue to do.

 

Then there's the academy a mixture of players who started very young and other lads purchased for 'cheap' at assorted teenage years old along the way

The club hopes to sign young talent that can hopefully make the 1st team, but because of FFP have stumbled upon/ developed a business model that enables lots of them to be signed 

and farmed out on loan sooner or later for income, then if they progress enough for CFC 1st team (not many, if any so far) GREAT, if not they will be sold on for a profit hopefully

(1 mill - 5 mill - 10 mill) from the original purchase price to recoup some of the academy development costs and add to the balance sheet, some players fall half way - they do get a shot

with the 1st team squad, training, tours, the bench , even  a few minutes game time in a league cup game, they are around for 1 - 2 - 3 or even 4 seasons and usually get loaned out again

or for the 1st time, eventually leading to a sale at a hopeful profit or the loan fees are good enough to add the income to the clubs revenue streams.

 

haven't named names, but you can figure it out

 

add to that, the intense pressure for the 1st team to be successful, and this season the peculiar situation with the manager and the teams poor form and it 

leaves little hope for any young players to break into the 1st team, this boy Charlie included.

 

 

http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2015/12/2/9834728/chelsea-fc-islam-feruz-wallace-carpi-hibernian-loan-cut-short-report

 

http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2015/12/3/9841226/jeremie-boga-chelsea-fc-stade-rennes-interview

 

finally Charlie

 

http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2015/12/3/9835420/chelsea-fc-charly-musonda-transfer-contract-rumour-report

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