5 hours ago, enigma said:

we have done absolutely amazing over the years and one or two less than perfect windows doesn't change that. nobody can complain we haven't signed quality players this window. okay so we haven't got a few targets, but we aren't talking about missing out on the best players in the world ffs, it's ox and llorente. 

Think you've misunderstood me. Go through my posts in the thread if you have the time.

Not just here but accross 'social media' in general, I think the level of whinging from Chelsea fans is pathetic !
We have (all bar two) kept our title winning first 14, added a couple of very good signings to balance that, plus another 2 defenders. It would seem we are not finished yet either.
Just because we haven't signed Neymar, Sanchez etc it's all doom and gloom, FFS our board has bought the players that have won two titles in the last three years, a fact many seem to have forgotten about already.
I for one will be glad when the transfer circus is over for a few months.

20 minutes ago, chelseablueboy said:

Not just here but accross 'social media' in general, I think the level of whinging from Chelsea fans is pathetic !
We have (all bar two) kept our title winning first 14, added a couple of very good signings to balance that, plus another 2 defenders. It would seem we are not finished yet either.
Just because we haven't signed Neymar, Sanchez etc it's all doom and gloom, FFS our board has bought the players that have won two titles in the last three years, a fact many seem to have forgotten about already.
I for one will be glad when the transfer circus is over for a few months.

Complete nonsense. Costa and Matic in that first 14 and replaced them with players who have to prove they're better (hopefully they are). We lost Terry and Zouma and replaced with Rudiger and Christensen. We still haven't upgraded at both wing back positions like we knew we should and seemingly planned to do. We have 3 CMs atm compared to 5 last year. Reading your post, one would think we added to the squad and no one left at all. Take off your blue tinted glasses for once.

The reality is we would never win the PL title 2 time in the last 3 year with this players, if the managers was not Jose and Conte. The managers win us the title. I very much doubt we would have won the title with other coach. Especially last year, just no way.

And competition in 2014-2015 wasn`t so great.

Now it`s a lot higher and tougher. And we have weaker squad. And to be fair i don`t see how we upgraded our team, to me the team is a lot weaker then last year. And that will show sooner or later.

And WoW at people saying we have good enough team for challenging for the title. If the squad was with 5 more solid players, then just maybe, right now is so far away from City and United, that is just not real.

 

 

 

Edited August 31, 20178 yr by brakeit

You can't tell how good or bad a transfer window or even an individual transfer is on 31 August/1 September, that is done at the end of the season. I'm also pretty sure 90%+ of what we will have seen in the press over silly season is pure BS so we can't judge how successful or not we have been at acquiring our targets or not. 

People really need to take a chill pill relax and try to enjoy the season.

We have an exciting AF team even if we don't sign any more players, and the squad should still be able to compete for BPL and get to the later stages of the CL and play some entertaining football. 

3 minutes ago, brakeit said:

The reality is we would never win the PL title 2 time in the last 3 year with this players, if the managers was not Jose and Conte. The managers win us the title. I very much doubt we would have won the title with other coach. Especially last year, just no way.

And competition in 2014-2015 wasn`t so great.

Now it`s a lot higher and tougher. And we have weaker squad. And to be fair i don`t see how we upgraded our team, to me the team is a lot weaker then last year. And that will show sooner or later.

And WoW at people saying we have good enough team for challenging for the title. If the squad was with 5 more solid players, then just maybe, right now is so far away from City and United, that is just not real.

The same could have been said at the start of both of our title winning seasons.

Titles aren't won by Attacking players they are won by defences and City's defence is as weak as it was last season and United's defence has Phil Jones in it.

In your opinion how many Manc players get into a combined Chelsea and Manc 11?

Personally mine would be (Courtois, Azpi, Luiz, Kompany, Valencia, Alonso, Kante, Pogba, Sane, Aguero, Hazard) - So thats 6 out of 11 Chelsea players for me is that really not good enough to challenge.

You could argue DeGea and maybe Mendy but that still leaves 4 out of 11, with City at 4 and Man U at 3. 

But I suppose we lack so much quality compared to the Manc clubs that we should all jump of a cliff christ cheer up.    

Did you even realize PL is a marathon, not a sprint discipline ? You need depth to win it, and WE DON`T HAVE. You also need quality on that bench and we simply NOT HAVE IT !!!
Now did i make myself clear ?

Now compare this to out attacking power and see how much behind we are to them:

Gundogan, Toure, Fernando, Fernandinho, Delph, Bernardo Silva, David Silva, Sane, Sterling, De Bruyne, Jesus and Aguero.

And they have 3 very good WB options.

United:
Pogba, Herrera, Matic, Felaini, Mkhitaryan, Carrick, Mata, Rashford, Lingard, Young, Martial, Lukaku and Ibrahimovic.

We have what exactly? Willan, Pedro, Hazard, Morata, Batshuai, Kante, Fabregas, Bakayoko

We have exactly 3 players in the midfielder and you tell me we will challenge ? Even on Fifa you will have hard time on semi-pro mode to win the title ...

Conte can`t give his player proper rest, we can`t even make 11 reserve players for a Cup Games. Let alone rotate often for a CL and PL games in 3 days time.

We can`t change the formation, cause we don`t have enough player, especially in the mid. With just 1 injurie and we are done and burried. What we will do on suspension ? What we will do when someone form drop? When he is tired?

You failed so hard, so pls be quiet. This board of yours messed so hard, it`s jost not real.

I just pray at the end of the disaster season we will have, they get sacked, not Conte.

 

Edited August 31, 20178 yr by brakeit

14 minutes ago, PedroMendez said:

The same could have been said at the start of both of our title winning seasons.

Titles aren't won by Attacking players they are won by defences and City's defence is as weak as it was last season and United's defence has Phil Jones in it.

In your opinion how many Manc players get into a combined Chelsea and Manc 11?

Personally mine would be (Courtois, Azpi, Luiz, Kompany, Valencia, Alonso, Kante, Pogba, Sane, Aguero, Hazard) - So thats 6 out of 11 Chelsea players for me is that really not good enough to challenge.

You could argue DeGea and maybe Mendy but that still leaves 4 out of 11, with City at 4 and Man U at 3. 

But I suppose we lack so much quality compared to the Manc clubs that we should all jump of a cliff christ cheer up.    

The problem isn't the first eleven, which can undoubtedly hold its own against most teams. It's depth of squad once the inevitable injuries or suspensions take hold that a 60 game season brings. Many myself included can remember successful sides from the past winning titles with very small squads, the game has now changed and the closed transfer window was only mid Match onwards, so recruitment was on a needs must then. If our policy was to include more youth, fair enough. Don't ship out the players most likely to succeed. 

None of us really know what has gone on this window behind the scenes. Interviews with the manager suggest we have been lapse. Time will tell if we can continue to challenge, one thing though we have two WC players in Eden and Tibo  due contract talks. Both would get in most sides, if we show a lack of ambition in the market why should they renew?

3 hours ago, Drogbaholic said:

Pretty much most the big clubs in Europe and in England are still frantically trying to do last minute deals but apparently only our board is incompetent  because they didn't tie up all the deals by end and of June. I had no idea it was that easy to tie up multi million dollar contracts. 

Youre in denial.

Real, Juve, Inter, Milan, ManU, Man City, PSG, Bayern, Dortmund all sitting pretty with their squads sorted.

No wonder the league winners at the end of the season will come out of that list. granovskia and emenalo have truly fecked us over this summer.

1 minute ago, charierre said:

The problem isn't the first eleven, which can undoubtedly hold its own against most teams. It's depth of squad once the inevitable injuries or suspensions take hold that a 60 game season brings. Many myself included can remember successful sides from the past winning titles with very small squads, the game has now changed and the closed transfer window was only mid Match onwards, so recruitment was on a needs must then. If our policy was to include more youth, fair enough. Don't ship out the players most likely to succeed. 

None of us really know what has gone on this window behind the scenes. Interviews with the manager suggest we have been lapse. Time will tell if we can continue to challenge, one thing though we have two WC players in Eden and Tibo  due contract talks. Both would get in most sides, if we show a lack of ambition in the market why should they renew?

I agree depth is currently an issue, although really we are a RWB/LWB and a CM short from having depth in every position and we are likely to pick that up in Zappacosta and Drinkwater, which will remedy that.

I think getting rid of Matic and Costa for Morata and Bakayoko shows an ambition to improve the starting 11 and try to improve and challenge for years, whether that is enough for Courtois is yet to be seen but Hazard seems likely to resign given his recent comments and our recent signing.  

58 minutes ago, brakeit said:

Did you even realize PL is a marathon, not a sprint discipline ? You need depth to win it, and WE DON`T HAVE. You also need quality on that bench and we simply NOT HAVE IT !!!
Now did i make myself clear ?

Now compare this to out attacking power and see how much behind we are to them:

Gundogan, Toure, Fernando, Fernandinho, Delph, Bernardo Silva, David Silva, Sane, Sterling, De Bruyne, Jesus and Aguero.

And they have 3 very good WB options.

United:
Pogba, Herrera, Matic, Felaini, Mkhitaryan, Carrick, Mata, Rashford, Lingard, Young, Martial, Lukaku and Ibrahimovic.

We have what exactly? Willan, Pedro, Hazard, Morata, Batshuai, Kante, Fabregas, Bakayoko

We have exactly 3 players in the midfielder and you tell me we will challenge ? Even on Fifa you will have hard time on semi-pro mode to win the title ...

Conte can`t give his player proper rest, we can`t even make 11 reserve players for a Cup Games. Let alone rotate often for a CL and PL games in 3 days time.

We can`t change the formation, cause we don`t have enough player, especially in the mid. With just 1 injurie and we are done and burried. What we will do on suspension ? What we will do when someone form drop? When he is tired?

You failed so hard, so pls be quiet. This board of yours messed so hard, it`s jost not real.

I just pray at the end of the disaster season we will have, they get sacked, not Conte.

 

Lol you are Hilarious.

Our non starting 11 consist of Cabellero, Zappecosta (Tomori has left so I'm sure its done), Christensen, Rudiger, Chalobah/JCS/Ampadu, Kenedy, Fabregas, Drinkwater, Pedro, Musonda, Batsuayi and Remy. 

Last year we took the FA cup seriously and our core of 15 or so players played in those games. This season with Champions League football we don't need to. So realistically our starting 11 has at most 5 more competitive games to play in than last season. Is that really so many that we are going to have so much extra fatigue and injuries that our squad is just going to fall to pieces?

Realistically how many games will we be without 2 of Hazard, Morata, Willian, Pedro, Batsauyi? (Which would create a very strong top 3.)

Given their respective injury records and disciplinary records, I'd say if we are unlucky 5-10.

Yes if we get 3 or 4 serious long term injuries or 2-3 to key players we will not be as strong and yes United and City would cope better with injuries to our attacking options than City and United.

Although City are 1 injury to Kompany away from have a Liverpool level of quality in depth and having a much harder title challenge. 

But we do have Musonda, Fabregas and Moses and I suppose Remy, Hazard Jr and a handful of other promising youngster that we can call upon if we are really struggling, which yes would massively reduce any title challenge.    

And with Zappacosta and Drinkwater we have as much formational flexibility you could like.

 

Ohh and if Fifa is anything like it was 2-3 years ago in terms of difficulty you should be able to win the league with Brighton's squad on Legendary difficulty, so I would be surprised if I couldn't do it with Chelsea's squad. I'm guessing you just aren't very good at Fifa. ;)

 

Lets make it interesting if we don't get top 4, I will donate £50 to the forum and If we are within 5 points of top you donate £50 to the forum.

   

Edited August 31, 20178 yr by PedroMendez

Yeah for sure. We will speak again. And we`ll see who was right.

 

29 minutes ago, Orpington_Blue said:

Youre in denial.

Real, Juve, Inter, Milan, ManU, Man City, PSG, Bayern, Dortmund all sitting pretty with their squads sorted.

No wonder the league winners at the end of the season will come out of that list. granovskia and emenalo have truly fecked us over this summer.

The same psg who bought mbappe tonight?

45 minutes ago, Drogbaholic said:

The same psg who bought mbappe tonight?

Cherry on the top of the icing on their cake.

While we are holding flour and sugar without any clue where the eggs and butter are.

Edited August 31, 20178 yr by Orpington_Blue

Anyone still think I'm overreacting?

Such a shame our game against Leicester is two weeks away. Now I have to spend the next two weeks listening to these whiners. They're on twitter, Facebook and even on this forum. 

14 minutes ago, Drogbaholic said:

Such a shame our game against Leicester is two weeks away. Now I have to spend the next two weeks listening to these whiners. They're on twitter, Facebook and even on this forum. 

Two weeks? Think it will be pretty much constant till will are out of contention for the title and trophies this season. Could go all the way till October.

2 hours ago, brakeit said:

 

And they have 3 very good WB options.

 

3? I thought you said Danilo was sh*t?

23 minutes ago, Drogbaholic said:

Such a shame our game against Leicester is two weeks away. Now I have to spend the next two weeks listening to these whiners. They're on twitter, Facebook and even on this forum. 

Tell me all about how our summer has been a smashing success and we're primed to win the treble.

On 31/08/2017 at 07:35, Barrettinator said:

Whether some of you would like to agree or not, that is the fact.

No it is not, no one on this forum has any idea what goes on behind the scenes. 

 

Trolls like you are only happy when you have something to moan about. 

 

People where saying the same thing at the start of last season and where proven wrong. Look at the rage at the signing of Alonso, turns out he's quite good. 

Edited September 1, 20178 yr by kiwi1691

14 minutes ago, kiwi1691 said:

No it is not, no one on this forum has any idea what goes on behind the scenes. 

 

Trolls like you are only happy when you have something to moan about. 

 

People where saying the same thing at the start of last season and where proven wrong. Look at the rage at the signing of Alonso, turns out he's quite good. 

I'm a troll because I'm frustrated with the way our board conducts business? You think I f**king prefer to be pissed off rather than kicking my feet up and watching other clubs scramble after having done our business early in the summer? You think I PREFER to complain? Do you think I'm 12 years old or something? Look at the time. The Drinkwater deal has still not been completed and is still in limbo. Do you like that? If you do then I have nothing else to say to you. And if you don't like it then wtf are you attacking me for? You expect Conte to work miracles with sticks and bones again? I hope none of you are surprised if he does walk away at the end of the season. You seem to be content with how things are run at this club and if you truly are then fair enough. Carry on.

5 hours ago, chelseablueboy said:

Not just here but accross 'social media' in general, I think the level of whinging from Chelsea fans is pathetic !

Agree

I find the whinging and entitlement embarrassing and feel dumber the more of it I read.

2 minutes ago, startedwithglenn said:

Agree

I find the whinging and entitlement embarrassing and feel dumber the more of it I read.

Alright then. We've had a cracking summer. Fully expect to win the CL. No other team in the league can touch us either. Treble incoming.

The board are incompetent at convincing 1st choice targets and at agreeing deals with clubs of these 1st choice players.

And they deserve criticism for that. Either bring in someone thay can secure these types of deal or at least inform the fans about the expectations regarding the transfers and not through leaked media sources if possible.

6 minutes ago, Barrettinator said:

Alright then. We've had a cracking summer. Fully expect to win the CL. No other team in the league can touch us either. Treble incoming.

Yeah because obviously anyone not constantly moaning like an entitled biatch believes all of those. Not like some people are capable of rational thinking or anything.