2 hours ago, CFCCAN said:

And you wonder why we cannot form any striking partnerships up front, when it seems every season we keep f**king about chopping and changing because some one had a mediocre year.  Where are we going to find a WC striker for under 100 mill...ffs we should stick with him, he has the pace and the ability, yes he's missed a few, well so has Kane and Sarah. I think he would have learned a lot from this year and in my mind it would be absolute stupidity to sell him or loan him out...who the f**k loans out 70 million pound strikers anyway........well I guess we could be the first  

Difference being they still score a sh*t load. 

Id only let him go if we got the fee we paid back and we had an adequate replacement lined up. 

There's no chance of cavani or Lewandowski, not at their age on massive wages. 

icardi would probably be the best replacement.

I'd be happy to stick with morata for another season though tbh. 

5 minutes ago, big blue said:

Id only let him go if we got the fee we paid back and we had an adequate replacement lined up. 

There's no chance of cavani or Lewandowski, not at their age on massive wages. 

icardi would probably be the best replacement.

I'd be happy to stick with morata for another season though tbh. 

No point spending massive on Icardi when we have Batshuayi. Both offer the same. 

1 hour ago, didierforever said:

Cherry pick?  Believe me, there is no reason to cherry pick. Its been a season of bloopers from the guy.

Their is a world of difference between morata and bakayoko's position though. As CM, we can keep bakayoko in the squad and easily integrate him. Get his confidence back, whereas with morata there is no way we are buying another 70mil striker unless he leaves. And if he stays, then we have to give him the 1st striker position and take a massive gamble. I am applying the same logic to both the players but the returns to the gamble of both staying and coming good is massively different. Again, been there done that with these arguments. If I wanted to put it another way, if the GK was having the season morata and bakayoko had, keeping him as no.1 for the next season would have been a massive gamble. I see the situation with morata as very similar and simply would not want to go into the next season with him as our no.1 striker. We have a world class CM in kante, we can take the gamble with baka while keeping the likes of DD as back up and rotating. We have some great prospects in Empadu and RLC. We have cesc and/or can buy another solid prospect CM (if we play a 4-3-3). Even if baka repeats his sh*t show of a season, its not a massive gamble, its not a season changing  ruining decision.

On the other hand, morata's position as the no.1 striker demands that if we take a decision it pays off or we are left with just giroud as the back up (dont think michy will stick around to be the 3rd choice striker). And THAT, can be season changing. I have not seen anything out of morata to expect him having a 20-25 goal season, for him to grind it and fight it out for a whole season leading us. So this is not hypocrisy, just sensibility when you think about it. Our other wingers/forwards are willian and hazard who are not natural goal scorers. We dont have goals from the mid too. We need our striker(s) to be firing on all cylinders to have a chance of fighting for the title. 

Baka does play in a important position, he plays in the spine of the team where battles are won and lost. The biggest problem is to allow Baka in the team we have to play 3 midfielders and only have Hazard playing of a striker. It's called the hope Hazard does something special formation. If you have to play 2 midfielders to cover the sh*t one while sacrificing a another attacking player Willian or Pedro then I can't see no good in that.

2 hours ago, Slojo said:

Recent performances? He's had one good game in the last 4. 

You constantly cherry pick and bash Morata for missing sitters while never criticising Bakayoko and always claiming he's going to come good just watch. Your inconsistency is astounding.

You claim Bakayoko is just having a confidence problem, but you won't apply that logic to any other players, only players you like, that's hypocrisy and inconsistency.

Yeah it does do my head in. It's pretty obvious Baka has been sh*t this season, I have not seen anyone this bad for ages. You can see more in Morata's game that there is a player but when Baka makes a pass we must give him another year.

My view on Morata is he is a top forward, the biggest problem is his confidence is shot. His looking like Torres and getting desperate. I don't think Conte is the right manager for Morata in the way he manages and the way he plays. I do think pre season and the start of next season are very important, if he don't kick start then his Chelsea career can be over.

5 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

Baka does play in a important position, he plays in the spine of the team where battles are won and lost. The biggest problem is to allow Baka in the team we have to play 3 midfielders and only have Hazard playing of a striker. It's called the hope Hazard does something special formation. If you have to play 2 midfielders to cover the sh*t one while sacrificing a another attacking player Willian or Pedro then I can't see no good in that.

But thats ONLY if we play 3-5-2. We can easily shift to 4-3-3 under a new manager. So we can accomodate baka without sacrificing hazard/willian

Every position is critical, but the position of a striker has a completely different dynamic to it. We have played at times with luiz,ake, zouma as DM, but try playing a false 9 and it changes the whole outlook of the team. If the club takes the decision of sticking with morata for the next season, I would support him whole heartedly, but until then, I will hope that we cut our losses with him.

No chance the club will let him go, unless he's threatens to slash his wrists.

It's ok that he stays, if he wants, but we can't rely on him. Get a youngster in the squad and try and use all three over the season, get them competing with each other. The main thing is to have hungry players on board, Giroud looks hungry, Morata needs that, a youngster would have hunger.

57 minutes ago, Ernie_blue said:

Yeah it does do my head in. It's pretty obvious Baka has been sh*t this season, I have not seen anyone this bad for ages. You can see more in Morata's game that there is a player but when Baka makes a pass we must give him another year.

My view on Morata is he is a top forward, the biggest problem is his confidence is shot. His looking like Torres and getting desperate. I don't think Conte is the right manager for Morata in the way he manages and the way he plays. I do think pre season and the start of next season are very important, if he don't kick start then his Chelsea career can be over.

There may be a top striker in there, but he must man up to play in this league and I am not convinced that he is man enough. As lazy and frustrating as Giroud can be there is no getting away from the fact that he is a proper striker. He pins defenders and they stay pinned. He can control and pass the ball adding value to moves even when being fouled by defenders. he has a good touch and instinctively knows where the goal is. I don't see any of that with Morata at the moment. I see face clutching, falling to floor, poor touch, passes behind the flow of the play thus slowing moves up, and some shocking misses in front of goal. I'm hoping it is first year nerves and he will settle but a club our size should have a ready made back up. Even a Tier 2 striker should be played if the Tier 1 striker is only playing at the level of a Tier 3 player. In truth a youngster such as Bats (and even he is a but too Danny Welbeck for my liking)would have done no worse than Morata.

37 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

There may be a top striker in there, but he must man up to play in this league and I am not convinced that he is man enough. As lazy and frustrating as Giroud can be there is no getting away from the fact that he is a proper striker. He pins defenders and they stay pinned. He can control and pass the ball adding value to moves even when being fouled by defenders. he has a good touch and instinctively knows where the goal is. I don't see any of that with Morata at the moment. I see face clutching, falling to floor, poor touch, passes behind the flow of the play thus slowing moves up, and some shocking misses in front of goal. I'm hoping it is first year nerves and he will settle but a club our size should have a ready made back up. Even a Tier 2 striker should be played if the Tier 1 striker is only playing at the level of a Tier 3 player. In truth a youngster such as Bats (and even he is a but too Danny Welbeck for my liking)would have done no worse than Morata.

Totally agree with you, he does need to man up and get on the weights. At least there was some positives in the interview I read, it seems like he has learnt from his faults. If Morata does stay he needs to bang some goals in pre season and the new manager needs to have faith in him, if then he doesn't perform again I think Chelsea and Morata are f**ked, it's a risk though because Giroud is not good enough to be number 1 for a season, that will be bye to the league and fighting for top 4. 

18 hours ago, didierforever said:

Cherry pick?  Believe me, there is no reason to cherry pick. Its been a season of bloopers from the guy.

Their is a world of difference between morata and bakayoko's position though. As CM, we can keep bakayoko in the squad and easily integrate him. Get his confidence back, whereas with morata there is no way we are buying another 70mil striker unless he leaves. And if he stays, then we have to give him the 1st striker position and take a massive gamble. I am applying the same logic to both the players but the returns to the gamble of both staying and coming good is massively different. Again, been there done that with these arguments. If I wanted to put it another way, if the GK was having the season morata and bakayoko had, keeping him as no.1 for the next season would have been a massive gamble. I see the situation with morata as very similar and simply would not want to go into the next season with him as our no.1 striker. We have a world class CM in kante, we can take the gamble with baka while keeping the likes of DD as back up and rotating. We have some great prospects in Empadu and RLC. We have cesc and/or can buy another solid prospect CM (if we play a 4-3-3). Even if baka repeats his sh*t show of a season, its not a massive gamble, its not a season changing  ruining decision.

On the other hand, morata's position as the no.1 striker demands that if we take a decision it pays off or we are left with just giroud as the back up (dont think michy will stick around to be the 3rd choice striker). And THAT, can be season changing. I have not seen anything out of morata to expect him having a 20-25 goal season, for him to grind it and fight it out for a whole season leading us. So this is not hypocrisy, just sensibility when you think about it. Our other wingers/forwards are willian and hazard who are not natural goal scorers. We dont have goals from the mid too. We need our striker(s) to be firing on all cylinders to have a chance of fighting for the title. 

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Bakayoko was our Matic replacement, we haven't had one midfielder who can play next to Kante this season. You really think Bakayoko hasn't cost us more than Morata? We've had a big hole in our midfield all season and one player who's been doing more for the opposition than he has been for us all season. 

With Morata we've actually seen good performances and we've seen the quality in him, his goal record for his first season isn't even that bad. Bakayoko, however, is the worst player I've ever seen in a Chelsea shirt and that's not an exaggeration, I truly haven't seen a player as bad as he is.

You keep mentioning Morata's sitters all the time, yet you never mention the time when Bakayoko got sent off in 20 minutes after an abysmal performance against Watford, and we ended up losing 4-1. Except you'll bring up the time when Morata missed a chance. You're that dense you can't see what a midfielder's role is, hence why you think Bakayoko has been good in his last 4 games. Go watch his positioning in the Swansea match and tell me he had a good game. He was practically playing LWB with Emerson, he wasn't tracking any players, he then kept going forward when it wasn't necessary, meaning that Fabregas had to keep going back. 

Bottom line is, you're a hypocrite, one is allowed to have a confidence problem, the other isn't. 

Edited May 9, 20188 yr by Slojo

16 hours ago, didierforever said:

But thats ONLY if we play 3-5-2. We can easily shift to 4-3-3 under a new manager. So we can accomodate baka without sacrificing hazard/willian

Every position is critical, but the position of a striker has a completely different dynamic to it. We have played at times with luiz,ake, zouma as DM, but try playing a false 9 and it changes the whole outlook of the team. If the club takes the decision of sticking with morata for the next season, I would support him whole heartedly, but until then, I will hope that we cut our losses with him.

NO WE CAN'T...

Baka hasn't performed in any system, and bringing up 4-5 good games he's had this season is a futile argument. We literally only play in the 5 man midfield because we don't have a midfielder to play next to Kante. Whenever we play with a two-man midfield we get absolutely battered. At least with Cesc he has positioning, his legs just don't work anymore, Drinkwater doesn't play for whatever reason, and Bakayoko is utterly useless. 

How can you claim you support a player when you want him sold? That's utter rubbish, you have your favourites and when you have your favourites you'll never criticise them, but you'll resort to child-like insults for the others. Fact is, Morata has been much better than Bakayoko, yet in your brain, he needs to be sold and Bakayoko is still very good and needs to stay. 

7 minutes ago, Slojo said:

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Bakayoko was our Matic replacement, we haven't had one midfielder who can play next to Kante this season. You really think Bakayoko hasn't cost us more than Morata? We've had a big hole in our midfield all season and one player who's been doing more for the opposition than he has been for us all season. 

With Morata we've actually seen good performances and we've seen the quality in him, his goal record for his first season isn't even that bad. Bakayoko, however, is the worst player I've ever seen in a Chelsea shirt and that's not an exaggeration, I truly haven't seen a player as bad as he is.

You keep mentioning Morata's sitters all the time, yet you never mention the time when Bakayoko got sent off in 20 minutes after an abysmal performance against Watford, and we ended up losing 4-1. Except you'll bring up the time when Morata missed a chance. You're that dense you can't see what a midfielder's role is, hence why you think Bakayoko has been good in his last 4 games. Go watch his positioning in the Swansea match and tell me he had a good game. He was practically playing LWB with Emerson, he wasn't tracking any players, he then kept going forward when it wasn't necessary, meaning that Fabregas had to keep going back. 

Bottom line is, you're a hypocrite, one is allowed to have a confidence problem, the other isn't. 

Obviously everyone other than the great Slojo is dense with no knowledge of the game.

Go and read what I replied to ernie_blue. Understand what I am saying rather than incoherently ranting and raving.

1 minute ago, Slojo said:

NO WE CAN'T...

Baka hasn't performed in any system, and bringing up 4-5 good games he's had this season is a futile argument. We literally only play in the 5 man midfield because we don't have a midfielder to play next to Kante. Whenever we play with a two-man midfield we get absolutely battered. At least with Cesc he has positioning, his legs just don't work anymore, Drinkwater doesn't play for whatever reason, and Bakayoko is utterly useless. 

How can you claim you support a player when you want him sold? That's utter rubbish, you have your favourites and when you have your favourites you'll never criticise them, but you'll resort to child-like insults for the others. Fact is, Morata has been much better than Bakayoko, yet in your brain, he needs to be sold and Bakayoko is still very good and needs to stay. 

Where have i said baka is "very good". Stop putting words in my mouth. You bring up Baka's 4-5 good games, where as has morata had those? The "quality" that you keep refering has barely ever been shown the whole season. 

So you were not supporting chelsea when Rafa was the manager? As far as I can remember, 99%of the fan base wanted him gone but also wanted him to do well so that the club could do well. What utter rubbish, is most of your arguments. Again with "baka is still very good". LOL. Whatever floats your boat.

4 minutes ago, didierforever said:

Where have i said baka is "very good". Stop putting words in my mouth. You bring up Baka's 4-5 good games, where as has morata had those? The "quality" that you keep refering has barely ever been shown the whole season. 

So you were not supporting chelsea when Rafa was the manager? As far as I can remember, 99%of the fan base wanted him gone but also wanted him to do well so that the club could do well. What utter rubbish, is most of your arguments. Again with "baka is still very good". LOL. Whatever floats your boat.

Are you joking? He was brilliant to start with.

Everton home, Leicester away, Stoke away, Atletico away, United Home, West Brom away, Swansea home (didn't score but he was good in the game), Newcastle home, Brighton home, Stoke home (missed a lot of chances that game but he absolutely battered them). 

I actually exaggerated that Baka had 4-5 good games, since many people think he did well in the United match. For me, the only good games I've seen from Baka are 4 max if I'm being kind, Arsenal home (came on for 20 minutes), Liverpool home, Atletico away & Huddersfield away. I could name more matches where Bakayoko had absolute DISASTERS, and that's the worrying part. Surely in your brain if a strikers role is more important, when a striker has a good game he has a better game. 

I saw a post saying "Bakayoko has been good these past 3 games" before the Liverpool match and you liked it, so you're definitely under the impression that Bakayoko plays well when he doesn't. 

 

18 minutes ago, didierforever said:

Obviously everyone other than the great Slojo is dense with no knowledge of the game.

Go and read what I replied to ernie_blue. Understand what I am saying rather than incoherently ranting and raving.

You literally claimed Morata's role is more important than Bakayoko's supposed role, which is absolute nonsense. He plays in a spinal position which @Ernie_blue pointed out to you, and you completely ignored that comment. So what more is it that I have to understand? 

13 minutes ago, Slojo said:

Are you joking? He was brilliant to start with.

Everton home, Leicester away, Stoke away, Atletico away, United Home, West Brom away, Swansea home (didn't score but he was good in the game), Newcastle home, Brighton home, Stoke home (missed a lot of chances tha?t game but he absolutely battered them). 

I actually exaggerated that Baka had 4-5 good games, since many people think he did well in the United match. For me, the only good games I've seen from Baka are 4 max if I'm being kind, Arsenal home (came on for 20 minutes), Liverpool home, Atletico away & Huddersfield away. I could name more matches where Bakayoko had absolute DISASTERS, and that's the worrying part. Surely in your brain if a strikers role is more important, when a striker has a good game he has a better game. 

I saw a post saying "Bakayoko has been good these past 3 games" before the Liverpool match and you liked it, so you're definitely under the impression that Bakayoko plays well when he doesn't. 

 

 Ya sure, and I am the biased one. Morata has been great mate. Absolutely "battered" teams. You big up morata's simple touches and yet have a problem in me "liking" a comment. Great.

10 minutes ago, Slojo said:

You literally claimed Morata's role is more important than Bakayoko's supposed role, which is absolute nonsense. He plays in a spinal position which @Ernie_blue pointed out to you, and you completely ignored that comment. So what more is it that I have to understand? 

And I pointed out that we can buy a midfielder while keeping baka in the squad and gelling him in. Can we buy a 1st choice striker while keeping morata in the squad? How are you not able to understand the difference? Can we buy an icardi or a belloti or werner or whoever the board deems fit? NO. We need our striker to be a 20-25 goal surety due to the (relative) lack of goals from the mid or even from our other forwards. With the striker position, we cant have the luxury of playing him in to form and confidence. And that is what I am asking you to understand.  

 

Also, saying "every position is critical" is ignoring his point. Again mate, stop putting words in my mouth.

Edited May 9, 20188 yr by didierforever

13 minutes ago, didierforever said:

 Ya sure, and I am the biased one. Morata has been great mate. Absolutely "battered" teams. You big up morata's simple touches and yet have a problem in me "liking" a comment. Great.

And I pointed out that we can buy a midfielder while keeping baka in the squad and gelling him in. Can we buy a 1st choice striker while keeping morata in the squad? How are you not able to understand the difference? Can we buy an icardi or a belloti or werner or whoever the board deems fit? NO. We need our striker to be a 20-25 goal surety due to the (relative) lack of goals from the mid or even from our other forwards. With the striker position, we cant have the luxury of playing him in to form and confidence. And that is what I am asking you to understand.  

 

Also, saying "every position is critical" is ignoring his point. Again mate, stop putting words in my mouth.

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You've said all season and just last page you want to cut our losses with Morata and sell him after this season, now you're saying "Na man I think we just need a 1st choice striker with Morata on the bench"

And Belloti literally has a worse goal record than Morata does this season, and he's playing in the Serie A. 

I love how you straw-manned me in your last sentence while claiming I'm straw-manning you, I never once said: "every position is critical". Shall I bring up your quote where you said Morata plays in a more vital position than Bakayoko does? Nobody is putting words in your mouth, you just have a habit of talking nonsense and contradicting yourself. 

Edited May 9, 20188 yr by Slojo

14 minutes ago, Slojo said:

You've said all season and just last page you want to cut our losses with Morata and sell him after this season, now you're saying "Na man I think we just need a 1st choice striker with Morata on the bench"

Oh man you are tiresome, you literally dont even try to understand the point of view of the other person and then simply go out on a rant.

Lets start again. I want us to cut our losses because - I dont see morata coming good next season and giving us what we want. We can take a risk with him - but it would be a massive risk. forget challenging for the title, top 4 would be in jeopardy and missing out on CL 2 seasons in a row would be disastorous. Now, can morata be gelled in the team just like conte wanted baka to be gelled in while keeping matic (he said so himself at some point in the season). Yes, but is that financially possible for us to do that? Hell no. Thats the difference between those 2 players. We can get a ruben neves(young prospect)/vidal (experienced short term solution) for 30-40mil (literally the first one that popped up, please dont go on a tangent about this), and partner him up with kante while keeping baka, RLC, empadu in the squad for EL. On the other hand, do we have that liberty with striker? Do you think we can get a first choice striker for less than 50mil that the board would be willing to spend who can help morata in a similar fashion meanwhile helping us in getting CL and challenging for the title. These are the shortcomings/limitations that realistically we are going to be facing. 

25 minutes ago, Slojo said:

I love how you straw-manned me in your last sentence while claiming I'm straw-manning you, I never once said: "every position is critical". Shall I bring up your quote where you said Morata plays in a more vital position than Bakayoko does? Nobody is putting words in your mouth, you just have a habit of talking nonsense and contradicting yourself. 

Dear mother of god. Go back and read the post in quoted ernie_blue. I said (not you) "that every position is critical" but at the same time explaining my point of view. Dude, if you are unable to understand me due to my english, then fine and fair enough, do tell me which part you dont understand and I will try to better my comrehension. otherwise stop making mountain out of molehills and stop putting words in people's mouths because thats exactly what you are doing.

2 hours ago, didierforever said:

Oh man you are tiresome, you literally dont even try to understand the point of view of the other person and then simply go out on a rant.

Lets start again. I want us to cut our losses because - I dont see morata coming good next season and giving us what we want. We can take a risk with him - but it would be a massive risk. forget challenging for the title, top 4 would be in jeopardy and missing out on CL 2 seasons in a row would be disastorous. Now, can morata be gelled in the team just like conte wanted baka to be gelled in while keeping matic (he said so himself at some point in the season). Yes, but is that financially possible for us to do that? Hell no. Thats the difference between those 2 players. We can get a ruben neves(young prospect)/vidal (experienced short term solution) for 30-40mil (literally the first one that popped up, please dont go on a tangent about this), and partner him up with kante while keeping baka, RLC, empadu in the squad for EL. On the other hand, do we have that liberty with striker? Do you think we can get a first choice striker for less than 50mil that the board would be willing to spend who can help morata in a similar fashion meanwhile helping us in getting CL and challenging for the title. These are the shortcomings/limitations that realistically we are going to be facing. 

Dear mother of god. Go back and read the post in quoted ernie_blue. I said (not you) "that every position is critical" but at the same time explaining my point of view. Dude, if you are unable to understand me due to my english, then fine and fair enough, do tell me which part you dont understand and I will try to better my comrehension. otherwise stop making mountain out of molehills and stop putting words in people's mouths because thats exactly what you are doing.

So apparently wanting a player sold is supporting him? 

This is getting ridiculous, now you're blaming it on a language barrier? No, you're just talking utter nonsense. You have no credible answer as to why Morata won't come good next season but Baka might. That's just plain hypocrisy. I gave you plenty of reasons and examples of good performances by Morata and you didn't respond to it, you've got no reasonable argument because you genuinely thought Morata hasn't had any good performances this season. So why should I take anything you say seriously? I refuse to give you the benefit of the doubt when you're consistently saying ridiculous things and being rapidly inconsistent at the same time. 

You constantly defend one player who is performing at a much lower standard to another, that's the argument. You can't give a valid reason for why you're doing that, instead, you claimed Bakayoko plays in a less important role than Morata does. I've challenged that very point and asked how, you can't respond to it, you've refused to explain how that position next to Kante isn't as important as our forward role. He isn't a wingback, he's playing in a spinal position. 

Also @RIP Mourinho you went mad at DKW for liking any post against you, yet you're now doing the same thing without even saying one word in the argument? 

Explain to me what do you agree with here? I'm pretty sure you're on the same page as me when I say Bakayoko has had a much worse season than Morata, but both players should be given another season regardless, however, we should also strength both positions and not rely on both players.

EDIT: Also for the record, I speak two languages, your bull sh*t is no excuse to use the language barrier card. 

Edited May 9, 20188 yr by Slojo

14 minutes ago, Slojo said:

So apparently wanting a player sold is supporting him? 

This is getting ridiculous, now you're blaming it on a language barrier? No, you're just talking utter nonsense. You have no credible answer as to why Morata won't come good next season but Baka might. That's just plain hypocrisy. I gave you plenty of reasons and examples of good performances by Morata and you didn't respond to it, you've got no reasonable argument because you genuinely thought Morata hasn't had any good performances this season. So why should I take anything you say seriously? I refuse to give you the benefit of the doubt when you're consistently saying ridiculous things and being rapidly inconsistent at the same time. 

You constantly defend one player who is performing at a much lower standard to another, that's the argument. You can't give a valid reason for why you're doing that, instead, you claimed Bakayoko plays in a less important role than Morata does. I've challenged that very point and asked how, you can't respond to it, you've refused to explain how that position next to Kante isn't as important as our forward role. He isn't a wingback, he's playing in a spinal position. 

Also @RIP Mourinho you went mad at DKW consistently liking any post against you, yet you're now doing the same thing without even saying one word in the argument? 

Explain to me what do you agree with here? I'm pretty sure you're on the same page as me when I say Bakayoko has had a much worse season than Morata, but both players should be given another season regardless, however, we should also strength both positions and not rely on both players.

EDIT: Also for the record, I speak two languages, your bull sh*t is no excuse to use the language barrier card. 

Another post of ranting and raving without trying to understand literally anything. Mate... keep it up. I am done.

Where exactly have I said baka will come good and morata wont. 

I will simply copy paste what I wrote to ernie_blue.

" I am applying the same logic to both the players but the returns to the gamble of both staying and coming good is massively different. Again, been there done that with these arguments. If I wanted to put it another way, if the GK was having the season morata and bakayoko had, keeping him as no.1 for the next season would have been a massive gamble. I see the situation with morata as very similar and simply would not want to go into the next season with him as our no.1 striker."

I was simply giving you the benefit of doubt with hoping its the language barrier. But then I see you start with "You have no credible answer as to why Morata won't come good next season but Baka might." when I am simply stating the fact that the difference in positional expectation/ back up players creates a world of difference situations for the 2 players. But no issue... you keep on with your ranting.

edit: In a parallel universe I would have loved to understand what and how you got to the conclusion which made you write your first sentence, but welll...

Edited May 9, 20188 yr by didierforever

Just now, didierforever said:

Another post of ranting and raving without trying to understand literally anything. Mate... keep it up. I am done.

Where exactly have I said baka will come good and morata wont. 

I will simply copy paste what I wrote to ernie_blue.

" I am applying the same logic to both the players but the returns to the gamble of both staying and coming good is massively different. Again, been there done that with these arguments. If I wanted to put it another way, if the GK was having the season morata and bakayoko had, keeping him as no.1 for the next season would have been a massive gamble. I see the situation with morata as very similar and simply would not want to go into the next season with him as our no.1 striker."

I was simply giving you the benefit of doubt with hoping its the language barrier. But then I see you start with "You have no credible answer as to why Morata won't come good next season but Baka might." when I am simply stating the fact that the difference in positional expectation/ back up players creates a world of difference situations for the 2 players. But no issue... you keep on with your ranting.

You have genuinely said on here before "I have faith Bakayoko will come good" and you've also said "We should cut our losses with Morata"

If you want me to find the posts I will, gladly actually, it might change your ways and you'll think before you post. Bakayoko wasn't brought in for a backup player, he was brought in to replace Matic, we spent more on him than we did on Drinkwater, he was there to fill in that void. Morata as disappointing as he has been was at least firing earlier in the season and actually performing well, in fact, a lot of games where he didn't play we dropped points. The biggest issue is his attitude, he's not showing any grit or hunger that we need, he also hasn't been anywhere clinical enough. He's definitely a better footballer than Diego Costa, I would be worried if he wasn't, but he hasn't shown any improvement in the CF position than when we had Costa. But with Bakayoko it's an understatement to say he hasn't performed as good as Matic.

Just admit that you're inconsistent, and I can work with that. But instead, you're backtracking and derailing the argument to something else, while making excuses of language barriers and my alleged poor reading comprehension skills. You can't make excuses for Bakayoko while constantly criticising Morata, that's inconsistent and hypocritical. I really don't know how many more times I have to say this until it sinks in. 

2 minutes ago, Slojo said:

You have genuinely said on here before "I have faith Bakayoko will come good" and you've also said "We should cut our losses with Morata"

If you want me to find the posts I will, gladly actually, it might change your ways and you'll think before you post. Bakayoko wasn't brought in for a backup player, he was brought in to replace Matic, we spent more on him than we did on Drinkwater, he was there to fill in that void. Morata as disappointing as he has been was at least firing earlier in the season and actually performing well, in fact, a lot of games where he didn't play we dropped points. The biggest issue is his attitude, he's not showing any grit or hunger that we need, he also hasn't been anywhere clinical enough. He's definitely a better footballer than Diego Costa, I would be worried if he wasn't, but he hasn't shown any improvement in the CF position than when we had Costa. But with Bakayoko it's an understatement to say he hasn't performed as good as Matic.

Just admit that you're inconsistent, and I can work with that. But instead, you're backtracking and derailing the argument to something else, while making excuses of language barriers and my alleged poor reading comprehension skills. You can't make excuses for Bakayoko while constantly criticising Morata, that's inconsistent and hypocritical. I really don't know how many more times I have to say this until it sinks in. 

Fine mate... like i have said whatever floats your boat. 

"We should cut our losses with morata" -  Cause going into another season with him as no.1 can be disastorous. Taking things completely out of context. But not surprising.

Yes, i am more positive with baka coming good than morata, just like you are the other way around. What is hypocritical in that. Are you freaking serious. 

I have already given you the reasons I think so... while you are searching for the rest of the comments, dont forget to search for the reply too. 

Better footballer than costa?  Sure mate.. I am surely the one who is biased.

 

34 minutes ago, Slojo said:

So apparently wanting a player sold is supporting him? 

This is getting ridiculous, now you're blaming it on a language barrier? No, you're just talking utter nonsense. You have no credible answer as to why Morata won't come good next season but Baka might. That's just plain hypocrisy. I gave you plenty of reasons and examples of good performances by Morata and you didn't respond to it, you've got no reasonable argument because you genuinely thought Morata hasn't had any good performances this season. So why should I take anything you say seriously? I refuse to give you the benefit of the doubt when you're consistently saying ridiculous things and being rapidly inconsistent at the same time. 

You constantly defend one player who is performing at a much lower standard to another, that's the argument. You can't give a valid reason for why you're doing that, instead, you claimed Bakayoko plays in a less important role than Morata does. I've challenged that very point and asked how, you can't respond to it, you've refused to explain how that position next to Kante isn't as important as our forward role. He isn't a wingback, he's playing in a spinal position. 

Also @RIP Mourinho you went mad at DKW for liking any post against you, yet you're now doing the same thing without even saying one word in the argument? 

Explain to me what do you agree with here? I'm pretty sure you're on the same page as me when I say Bakayoko has had a much worse season than Morata, but both players should be given another season regardless, however, we should also strength both positions and not rely on both players.

EDIT: Also for the record, I speak two languages, your bull sh*t is no excuse to use the language barrier card. 

I didn't go mad at him, i just pointed out it was obvious it was coming. It was DKW that had a hissy fit like the little girl he is. 

 

It isn't a like against you also mate, i just personally think Morata isn't what we need. Nothing against you.

Edited May 9, 20188 yr by RIP Mourinho

On 17/03/2018 at 12:26, didierforever said:

Dominating? Wow. Even when he was scoring, his constant falling on the ground act did not change. Except for the united match I have to really really really think hard to remember a game he "dominated". 

The fact that you can use that word for morata's performances just shows that you view him with a special rose tinted glasses.

Its not hindsight. Go to the pre-season comments, I was never in his favour. Always looked light weight. And while it may not be FIFA or FM, we can surely cut our losses. 

As for agenda, I have none. I want whats best for the club rather than a player. I dont see morata coping up with physicality of the league, where as I do see the attributes that baka has (his B2B skills, winning the ball, physicality) and those can be honed in the right way. The fact, that you keep bringing Baka, to defend morata should be indicative of how hopeless the guy has been. For me, he is just like another Torres and time to cut our losses. He is still hot property and might play well in italian or french league, PL is not made for him

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Apparently, this doesn't mean we should sell Morata.

3 minutes ago, didierforever said:

Fine mate... like i have said whatever floats your boat. 

"We should cut our losses with morata" -  Cause going into another season with him as no.1 can be disastorous. Taking things completely out of context. But not surprising.

Yes, i am more positive with baka coming good than morata, just like you are the other way around. What is hypocritical in that. Are you freaking serious. 

I have already given you the reasons I think so... while you are searching for the rest of the comments, dont forget to search for the reply too. 

Better footballer than costa?  Sure mate.. I am surely the one who is biased.

 

"What is hypocritical about that" Easy, one has actually played well for quite some time when the other hasn't, and has been utterly disastrous to put it politely. 

And are you actually telling me Diego was a better footballer? Right, you clearly didn't watch him for 3 seasons then.

5 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I didn't go mad at him, i just pointed out it was obvious it was coming. It was DKW that had a hissy fit like the little girl he is. 

 

It isn't a like against you also mate, i just personally think Morata isn't what we need. Nothing against you.

I'm mostly just confused about it, I don't see how Morata has been worse than Bakayoko, yet Morata is the main scapegoat and Bakayoko comes under 0 criticism from the same poster. Especially when a lot of the insults are childlike and silly repetitive arguments. The fanboyism is pretty silly, I have criticised Morata all season, I wanted Chelsea to sign him and he has been underwhelming but I was very impressed with him in 2017 despite some flaws, he had a good start. 

I don't know what he has done to warrant the same abuse from members who also want him sold because of one bad season. Aren't we just repeating the same mistakes here? Why should we be so trigger happy with wanting players sold when we've already got 3 ex-players performing at 3 of our rivals.