Out of interest, what style of play would suit Michy? What are his strengths? 

That is not meant in a disrespectful way; I genuinely don't really know what sort of striker  he is/aspires to be. 

He is obviously doing something right in Germany, and his goal v minutes ratio when at Chelsea was more than respectful, but other than having a 'nose for a goal' I wouldn't really be able to list the attributes which make him a good striker. 

I had my doubts when he was at Chelsea that he had the talent to ever make it as our first choice striker, but I think he has done enough in Germany to be given another chance, and hopefully with a Manager who will pick him over and above starting with a false 9.

3 hours ago, Blueblur said:

Yes I know, I was joking. Sort of. 

Sorry, morning self couln't get the sarcasm lol

4 hours ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Matt Law reporting that Juventus might try to resign Morata in the summer. 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/04/10/juventus-interested-taking-chelseas-alvaro-morata-back-turin/ 

If they offered the £60m we paid for him I'd be inclined to accept. 

 

So long as they throw in Cuadrado.

Give them Morata and 40mil and ask for one Dybala please.

 

In my dreams.

4 hours ago, mclovin83 said:

Out of interest, what style of play would suit Michy? What are his strengths? 

That is not meant in a disrespectful way; I genuinely don't really know what sort of striker  he is/aspires to be. 

He is obviously doing something right in Germany, and his goal v minutes ratio when at Chelsea was more than respectful, but other than having a 'nose for a goal' I wouldn't really be able to list the attributes which make him a good striker. 

I had my doubts when he was at Chelsea that he had the talent to ever make it as our first choice striker, but I think he has done enough in Germany to be given another chance, and hopefully with a Manager who will pick him over and above starting with a false 9.

He is similar to Aubameyang.

Not a typical center forward, likes to play at the last line of defence. His strengths are his movement, speed and his finishing which is incredible.

We asked him to do things which he wasn't good at holding the ball, playing with his back towards the goal.

It was easy for him to fit into Dortmund because his style compliments their system ( as mentioned earlier he is very similar to Aubameyang). I belive he would excel If we managed to get someone like Jardim or Tuchel.

 

5 hours ago, Davey Baby said:

 

So long as they throw in Cuadrado.

You can go off of people y’know Davey. 

8 hours ago, mclovin83 said:

Out of interest, what style of play would suit Michy? What are his strengths? 

That is not meant in a disrespectful way; I genuinely don't really know what sort of striker  he is/aspires to be. 

Play him like we did Costa.

Just get him the ball in or around the penalty area and he can make something happen.

Don’t try and get him coming deep or trying to run at players. Not meant as an insult but the less touches the better, let him be direct and do what good strikers do.

On 4/9/2018 at 11:00, RIP Mourinho said:

A lot of people talk about his link up play but so many times a ball is played into him it just bounces off him. First touch is very often quite poor.

And with Batsuayi that's not the case? But you rate one highly and not the other I don't understand. 

I rate both but I know for a fact Morata has better holdup play than Batman, Batman is piss poor with his back to goal. 

12 hours ago, Slojo said:

And with Batsuayi that's not the case? But you rate one highly and not the other I don't understand. 

I rate both but I know for a fact Morata has better holdup play than Batman, Batman is piss poor with his back to goal. 

I was bringing up this point to show the hypocrisy. Both poor with link up play but i see many people saying Morata is brilliant at it yet completely write Bats off. 

As for the fact i rate Batshuayi is because he has a phenomenal goal record everywhere he goes. 

Edited April 11, 20188 yr by RIP Mourinho

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I was bringing up this point to show the hypocrisy. Both poor with link up play but i see many people saying Morata is brilliant at it yet completely write Bats off. 

As for the fact i rate Batshuayi is because he has a phenomenal goal record everywhere he goes. 

I actually think Morata has good linkup & holdup play and I didn't see too much of an issue in the West Ham game besides a few instances but he's getting back on form at least, I thought Hazard was more careless with the ball. 

With Batman that's just not the case, he is abysmal with his back to goal sadly. But I do think he can improve, it's pointless selling him because the next manager we get might actually find a use for him. Like I said before, you know if he was in Liverpool Klopp would have him bagging 30 goals a season. 

59 minutes ago, Slojo said:

I actually think Morata has good linkup & holdup play and I didn't see too much of an issue in the West Ham game besides a few instances but he's getting back on form at least, I thought Hazard was more careless with the ball. 

With Batman that's just not the case, he is abysmal with his back to goal sadly. But I do think he can improve, it's pointless selling him because the next manager we get might actually find a use for him. Like I said before, you know if he was in Liverpool Klopp would have him bagging 30 goals a season. 

Most likely he wouldn’t get many minutes because Klopp plays with three skilful players up front, with more hold up and link up skills than Bats. Salah, Firmino and Mane are much more complete footballers than Batsman. Maybe at Mourinho’s Utd...

Was utter sh*te vs. Southampton yesterday and got subbed out in favour for Giroud who was the catalyst when Chelsea won against Saints despite being down with 0-2.

 

He lacks a spine.

Against West Ham, he was actually performing pretty well, because he just got on with things, against Southampton, it was the opposite. Against Southampton, it was back to having tantrums. His tantrums remind me of Ronaldo's tantrums, maybe that is who he picked it up from.

6 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

He lacks a spine.

Against West Ham, he was actually performing pretty well, because he just got on with things, against Southampton, it was the opposite. Against Southampton, it was back to having tantrums. His tantrums remind me of Ronaldo's tantrums, maybe that is who he picked it up from.

It is a very Spanish trait.  And I mean that as far as the Spanish league, not spaniards in general.  Watch la liga games and you will see everyone flopping around begging for fouls.  The only one who doesn't really do it actually is Messi.  

He'd do better if he didn't throw himself to the ground every time he gets hit by a gust of wind.

 

That's the reason Giroud is better for us. Hazard and Willian like to play quick decisive passes between themselves and the striker. The rest of the team like to have a strong striker available to hold up the ball with longer passes. Morata can't do that if he's falling on the floor everytime the ball comes to his feet and a defender is standing behind him.

 

He's not that weak, he should have no problem standing up to a little bit of defensive pressure. You can't win a free kick every single time.

 

Giroud has been in the PL for a long time, he knows what it takes to succeed here. I just thought Morata would learn after a whole season that he needs to show more strength.

There's a good player in there but he's one of those ones who need to be in a team that always has the ball and relentlessly presses the opponent which let's be honest isn't us this season.

On 15/04/2018 at 17:24, Cam said:

He'd do better if he didn't throw himself to the ground every time he gets hit by a gust of wind.

 

That's the reason Giroud is better for us. Hazard and Willian like to play quick decisive passes between themselves and the striker. The rest of the team like to have a strong striker available to hold up the ball with longer passes. Morata can't do that if he's falling on the floor everytime the ball comes to his feet and a defender is standing behind him.

 

He's not that weak, he should have no problem standing up to a little bit of defensive pressure. You can't win a free kick every single time.

 

Giroud has been in the PL for a long time, he knows what it takes to succeed here. I just thought Morata would learn after a whole season that he needs to show more strength.

I dont have faith in Giroud starting though. To me Giroud is exactly what he did on Saturday, come off the bench and hopefully make an impact. I'd still start Morata over him.

Start morata over him? Based on what exactly? 

The fact that he loses the ball 9 out of 10 times he touches it? or that he half arses his way through games? I would rather start a washed up sh*t torres over morata.

Morata has more league goals than Torres ever managed for us in a season in his entire time here. He has basically double the amount of league goals Torres scored in 3 out of 4 seasons. His league goal tally equal Torres' second highest output for us in a season in ALL competitions. Torres best season was 8 more goals, 9 of which were scored in the europa league.

All this talk about preferring Torres is just absence making the heart grow fonder or an irrational level of disdain for Morata.

Edited April 17, 20188 yr by Stim

1 minute ago, Stim said:

Morata has more league goals than Torres ever managed for us in his entire time here. He has basically double the amount of league goals Torres scored in 3 out of 4 seasons. His league goal tally equal Torres' second highest output for us in a season in ALL competitions. Torres best season was 8 more goals, 9 of which were scored in the europa league.

All this talk about preferring Torres is just absence making the heart grow fonder or an irrational level of disdain for Morata.

I think it's a case of the last bit.

I think we all want to Love Morata and are all desperate for him to succeed, but he really isn't doing himself any favours. Torres time with us is well documented but he/we will always have THAT goal.

I know Giroud has a record of being better when coming off the bench but with an important FA Cup semi final approaching, I really can't stand the thought of another inept / half-arsed display from Morata, so i know who I would prefer to see in the starting line-up.

  

http://m.calciomercato.com/en/news/juventus-plan-to-sign-morata-revealed-61505

Not sure what would be in it for us. It would be utterly bizarre.

 

2 year loan would be such an odd move by us. Juve can go F themselves...

 

...more broadly, it would be far to rash and silly of us to get rid after 1 season. The EPL is notoriously difficult for strikers, who get so little time and space , and non existent protection from refs. 

Yes, Morata has not been very good since November, BUT, he showed enough smarts in the early part of the season to warrant a bit of faith from our fans and another season as the bare minimum.

Chelsea fans used to pride themselves on being a bit different to others. We would always have faith and get behind our own. Alvaro does make it a bit difficult to like him, given the histrionics and throwing himself down....but let's give him so more time. Don't forget didz first season wasn't a classic!

KTBFFH

53 minutes ago, big blue said:

http://m.calciomercato.com/en/news/juventus-plan-to-sign-morata-revealed-61505

Not sure what would be in it for us. It would be utterly bizarre.

 

The article is wrong about the Cuadrado loan, it was a three year loan at a cost of something like €7m per season, which effectively was a way of paying for him in instalments. It was a permanent move in all but name.

I would presume a two year loan for Morata would be similar, huge loan fee involved and a forced purchased, not option, to buy at the end of it.

I wouldn’t rule it out personally, he’s not had a good season so recouping our £60m outlay is unlikely this summer. With loan fees etc. we might get back the majority we paid so who knows. 

13 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

Yes, Morata has not been very good since November, BUT

Neither has the rest of the team.  There hasn't been a single consistently good performer.  Not even my favourites. Maybe Kante, but even he has had a shocker or two.

I think Morata needs a pair of bollocks and some in-depth training in how to be a nasty prick, and should be kept on for another season.  There is a decent striker in there, somewhere.

Perhaps when Sparky gets the sack again, we should employ him as Morata's personal trainer.  There weren't many strikers nastier than Hughes.

7 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

Neither has the rest of the team.  There hasn't been a single consistently good performer.  Not even my favourites. Maybe Kante, but even he has had a shocker or two.

I think Morata needs a pair of bollocks and some in-depth training in how to be a nasty prick, and should be kept on for another season.  There is a decent striker in there, somewhere.

Perhaps when Sparky gets the sack again, we should employ him as Morata's personal trainer.  There weren't many strikers nastier than Hughes.

Agree that sparky could teach him a thing or 2. As could jimmy. Jeez, I think even little john Spencer could also teach him a couple of tricks!  Morata just doesn't seem to be much of a fighter . More worried about his hair or sending a cryptic message to his wife rather than rolling his sleeves up and having a go.