51 minutes ago, coco said:

£70m and you did well if you noticed he was on the pitch.

I would not even waste a bench seat on him.

I think the problem was the expectancy. Some people on here believed his hype way too much, add the price tag to it and people actually thought we were getting a world class player.

Reality is exactly what conte said. This is his first proper season. He needs time. He is no where near ready to be the no1 striker.

Anyways, hope the geniuses ridiculing lukaku and hyping up morata no ends see the differences between those 2.

Edited March 15, 20188 yr by didierforever

1 hour ago, Luca Vialli said:

Yes Alvaro that's where your balls are. Try using them.

Isn't his partner pregnant?

Hazard had one good bit of play last night, burst through pulled it back for a strikers dream.. Where was our striker fresh from coming on? Meandering around not even busting a gut to make it.. I think if there was effort he'd be a lot more forgiven  

On 14/03/2018 at 14:04, ForeverCarefree said:

“Don’t forget, for Morata, this is the first full season in his career,” Conte said. “With Real Madrid and Juventus he was on the bench, the first substitution if the striker was injured. So, for this reason, we must have great patience. You are talking about an important striker. He has a really important prospect for Chelsea, for the present and the future. I’ve seen great focus and great will to try to fight for a place here.”

 

Is it just me or is it crazy that we dropped £60m on a player that was yet to prove capable of being first choice? 

To be fair what choice did we have after Marina f**ked up the Lukaku deal, im still pleased we bought Morata than Lacazette for example.

Not called up by Spain for the upcoming national break. 

I'm shocked. 

Guy has bombed of late.

Looks like a very expensive mistake on our part. Looked promising early on but now looks to have chucked it.

Another downgrade on a player we let leave.

Dropped for Spain and this should be a massive kick up the back side for him. 

The world cup is 2 months away and if he turns his form around, no players are standing in his way for him to get back into that squad. He should be fully fit now so surely this should drive him on to turn this form around.

(I hope he is reading this for motivational purposes)

1 hour ago, Nickcook26 said:

Dropped for Spain and this should be a massive kick up the back side for him. 

The world cup is 2 months away and if he turns his form around, no players are standing in his way for him to get back into that squad. He should be fully fit now so surely this should drive him on to turn this form around.

(I hope he is reading this for motivational purposes)

I don't think his body or fitness is the problem, it's all physiological, he's defeated in the head, all the signs are there, iv'e been around junior football and seen it with youngsters, they think they are better than they actually are, and when they play against the big kids in the school rather than the kids in the street, the penny drops, so does their shoulders.

Looks to me like he is depressed. 

Edit : mistake 

Edited March 16, 20188 yr by Chigzzer

I think Morata is being bullied by the opposition defenders almost as though they can sense his vulnerability.

I saw a clip of Rio Ferdinand off the ball jumping up and grabbing slapping Torres's shoulder, neck when he was misfiring for us. Again Torres looked depressed, he protested yet as off the ball didn't get spotted. 

It does make you appreciate the mental strength of someone like Costa, sure I didn't like his antics at times though no doubting his warrior spirit.

2 hours ago, Strider6003 said:

I think Morata is being bullied by the opposition defenders almost as though they can sense his vulnerability.

I saw a clip of Rio Ferdinand off the ball jumping up and grabbing slapping Torres's shoulder, neck when he was misfiring for us. Again Torres looked depressed, he protested yet as off the ball didn't get spotted. 

It does make you appreciate the mental strength of someone like Costa, sure I didn't like his antics at times though no doubting his warrior spirit.

Costa was a bastard. He doesn’t take any sh*t and he’ll fight back, every time.

Hopefully Morata will start to pick up his form and play himself into the Spain World Cup team.

Hes clearly a quality player, I am not sure why he’s playing awful at the moment. Perhaps he’s unsettled, perhaps he’s half a season player like Costa?

2 hours ago, dansubrosa said:

Costa was a bastard. He doesn’t take any sh*t and he’ll fight back, every time.

Hopefully Morata will start to pick up his form and play himself into the Spain World Cup team.

Hes clearly a quality player, I am not sure why he’s playing awful at the moment. Perhaps he’s unsettled, perhaps he’s half a season player like Costa?

Morata has got into a rut, teams wised up to Azpi's crosses and he stopped scoring got frustrated and defenders were pushing him around lowering his self esteem. Refs gave him little support and he started thinking he was being targeted and then ignored by the officials. This has become like a phobia, cannot see this turning around soon and we might cut our losses at the end of the season.

On 15/03/2018 at 11:54, didierforever said:

I think the problem was the expectancy. Some people on here believed his hype way too much, add the price tag to it and people actually thought we were getting a world class player.

Reality is exactly what conte said. This is his first proper season. He needs time. He is no where near ready to be the no1 striker.

Anyways, hope the geniuses ridiculing lukaku and hyping up morata no ends see the differences between those 2.

Jesus christ... Lukaku went missing for nearly as long as Morata did but now suddenly Lukaku was the striker we needed? 

What hype is that exactly? Lukaku still hasn't lived up to the price tag, neither has Paul Pogba, it isn't about price tags anymore, you have to pay those prices to get top quality players. Morata showed his quality at Juventus and he was good at Madrid whenever he played, hindsight is a wonderful thing because nobody including yourself was saying those things before or when we signed him. 

For somebody who constantly says Bakayoko needs time and he's almost ready you're weirdly very pessimistic when you judge Morata, Morata has been disappointing but the price tag doesn't really bother me that much. Who else could we have signed? Lukaku is not a good footballer but he is a proven goal scorer, however, we had that in Diego Costa and for me, it wasn't enough. I'm glad Costa moved on because we were needing an upgrade. People are forgetting Morata's earlier performances when he was on form, a player who can actually play with his back to goal, his attitude surely doesn't help and neither do any of his performances starting this year but he's at least shown a little something that Bakayoko hasn't even shown at all since he has arrived. 

3 hours ago, Slojo said:

Jesus christ... Lukaku went missing for nearly as long as Morata did but now suddenly Lukaku was the striker we needed? 

What hype is that exactly? Lukaku still hasn't lived up to the price tag, neither has Paul Pogba, it isn't about price tags anymore, you have to pay those prices to get top quality players. Morata showed his quality at Juventus and he was good at Madrid whenever he played, hindsight is a wonderful thing because nobody including yourself was saying those things before or when we signed him. 

For somebody who constantly says Bakayoko needs time and he's almost ready you're weirdly very pessimistic when you judge Morata, Morata has been disappointing but the price tag doesn't really bother me that much. Who else could we have signed? Lukaku is not a good footballer but he is a proven goal scorer, however, we had that in Diego Costa and for me, it wasn't enough. I'm glad Costa moved on because we were needing an upgrade. People are forgetting Morata's earlier performances when he was on form, a player who can actually play with his back to goal, his attitude surely doesn't help and neither do any of his performances starting this year but he's at least shown a little something that Bakayoko hasn't even shown at all since he has arrived. 

Its one thing to play second fiddle, totally another to lead the line. Never ever had the confidence that morata could do that. And obviously the price tag bothers me, its 70mil pounds down the drain. "Hype" as in that we were getting a world class striker.

I am sorry, its hard to look at his back to the goal play when most of the time he is lying on the ground moaning and bitching. 

As for bakayoko, the spurs and united performance gives me some hope. Moreover, its his first season out of france, in a new league. Morata on the other hand is someone who has played for multiple big clubs in different leagues and should know better. Moreover, Bakayoko is not moaning like a bitch lying on the ground most of the time, so that gives me hope too.

As for other options, given that we spent 70mil, we could have gone for werner/belotti. 

2 hours ago, didierforever said:

Its one thing to play second fiddle, totally another to lead the line. Never ever had the confidence that morata could do that. And obviously the price tag bothers me, its 70mil pounds down the drain. "Hype" as in that we were getting a world class striker.

I am sorry, its hard to look at his back to the goal play when most of the time he is lying on the ground moaning and bitching. 

As for bakayoko, the spurs and united performance gives me some hope. Moreover, its his first season out of france, in a new league. Morata on the other hand is someone who has played for multiple big clubs in different leagues and should know better. Moreover, Bakayoko is not moaning like a bitch lying on the ground most of the time, so that gives me hope too.

As for other options, given that we spent 70mil, we could have gone for werner/belotti. 

Hang on so... Morata it's "money down the drain" a guy who outclassed United and scored the winner and dominated many Premier League teams in that period. However, with Bakayoko you have some "hope" because he ran past a few United midfielders and gave the ball away plenty of times? The Spurs match we were completely overrun, he didn't really stand out, if it wasn't for the magic of Marcos Alonso we would've lost that match. 

I'm really not understanding the logic here, to me it just seems like you have one agenda against one player and not the other. You're misrepresenting Bakyoko's performances entirely, he may not have been moaning like a bitch, but I would've actually preferred that, it would show he's at least being interactive. Instead, he was hiding from the ball for 90 minutes. And again it's hindsight, Werner although looks very promising hasn't played at top level besides internationally. And international football is very different to club football. I would concede the argument if you were saying this when Morata was signed but you didn't, it's his first season, you pay good money to get good players. If you think Werner and Belotti will come cheaply you're sorely mistaken.  

edit: Oh and by the way, the same could be said for Belotti, this isn't football manager where you can load up a save and go back. At the time Morata was one of the best choices. 

Edited March 17, 20188 yr by Slojo

2 hours ago, didierforever said:

 

As for bakayoko, the spurs and united performance gives me some hope.

1 hour ago, Slojo said:

Hang on so... Morata it's "money down the drain" a guy who outclassed United and scored the winner and dominated many Premier League teams in that period. However, with Bakayoko you have some "hope" because he ran past a few United midfielders and gave the ball away plenty of times? The Spurs match we were completely overrun, he didn't really stand out, if it wasn't for the magic of Marcos Alonso we would've lost that match. 

I'm really not understanding the logic here, to me it just seems like you have one agenda against one player and not the other. You're misrepresenting Bakyoko's performances entirely, he may not have been moaning like a bitch, but I would've actually preferred that, it would show he's at least being interactive. Instead, he was hiding from the ball for 90 minutes. And again it's hindsight, Werner although looks very promising hasn't played at top level besides internationally. And international football is very different to club football. I would concede the argument if you were saying this when Morata was signed but you didn't, it's his first season, you pay good money to get good players. If you think Werner and Belotti will come cheaply you're sorely mistaken.  

edit: Oh and by the way, the same could be said for Belotti, this isn't football manager where you can load up a save and go back. At the time Morata was one of the best choices. 

Dominating? Wow. Even when he was scoring, his constant falling on the ground act did not change. Except for the united match I have to really really really think hard to remember a game he "dominated". 

The fact that you can use that word for morata's performances just shows that you view him with a special rose tinted glasses.

Its not hindsight. Go to the pre-season comments, I was never in his favour. Always looked light weight. And while it may not be FIFA or FM, we can surely cut our losses. 

As for agenda, I have none. I want whats best for the club rather than a player. I dont see morata coping up with physicality of the league, where as I do see the attributes that baka has (his B2B skills, winning the ball, physicality) and those can be honed in the right way. The fact, that you keep bringing Baka, to defend morata should be indicative of how hopeless the guy has been. For me, he is just like another Torres and time to cut our losses. He is still hot property and might play well in italian or french league, PL is not made for him

 

4 hours ago, didierforever said:

Dominating? Wow. Even when he was scoring, his constant falling on the ground act did not change. Except for the united match I have to really really really think hard to remember a game he "dominated". 

The fact that you can use that word for morata's performances just shows that you view him with a special rose tinted glasses.

Its not hindsight. Go to the pre-season comments, I was never in his favour. Always looked light weight. And while it may not be FIFA or FM, we can surely cut our losses. 

As for agenda, I have none. I want whats best for the club rather than a player. I dont see morata coping up with physicality of the league, where as I do see the attributes that baka has (his B2B skills, winning the ball, physicality) and those can be honed in the right way. The fact, that you keep bringing Baka, to defend morata should be indicative of how hopeless the guy has been. For me, he is just like another Torres and time to cut our losses. He is still hot property and might play well in italian or french league, PL is not made for him

A good quarter of your posts summed up this season...

"SELLING KDB & SALAH WAS A HUGE MISTAKE, HOW COULD THE CLUB BE SO IMPATIENT AND LOOK HOW MUCH ITS COSTING US!!"

You right now...

"IT'S BEEN 8 MONTHS AND THIS GUY WHO HAS 10 GOALS IN 24 GAMES IS JUST NOT GOOD ENOUGH, SELL HIM AND CUT OUR LOSSES IT'S ANOTHER TORRES REEEEEEEEE"

 I have time for everyone on this forum but this is just something else, pointless arguing. 

Edited March 17, 20188 yr by Slojo

11 hours ago, didierforever said:

Its one thing to play second fiddle, totally another to lead the line. Never ever had the confidence that morata could do that. And obviously the price tag bothers me, its 70mil pounds down the drain. "Hype" as in that we were getting a world class striker.

I am sorry, its hard to look at his back to the goal play when most of the time he is lying on the ground moaning and bitching. 

As for bakayoko, the spurs and united performance gives me some hope. Moreover, its his first season out of france, in a new league. Morata on the other hand is someone who has played for multiple big clubs in different leagues and should know better. Moreover, Bakayoko is not moaning like a bitch lying on the ground most of the time, so that gives me hope too.

As for other options, given that we spent 70mil, we could have gone for werner/belotti. 

Sorry mate, but you really are confusing me like Slojo said. How can you say two performances of Bakayoko give you hope but with Morata you write him off. A player who ran United's defence ragged all day long and scored a brilliant header. Also, he probably is the only striker to run ragged Atletico's defence the way he did this season. Godin could not handle him and Atletico arguably have the best defence in Europe. That doesn't actually make any sense.

As for your last sentence, you just blurting out names for the sake of it. Belotti, it would be harsh to call a one season wonder however he has scored 5 goals this season, yes only 5 goals. However you are stating that we could have gone for him. He is somewhat unproven himself...

1 hour ago, STATS said:

Sorry mate, but you really are confusing me like Slojo said. How can you say two performances of Bakayoko give you hope but with Morata you write him off. A player who ran United's defence ragged all day long and scored a brilliant header. Also, he probably is the only striker to run ragged Atletico's defence the way he did this season. Godin could not handle him and Atletico arguably have the best defence in Europe. That doesn't actually make any sense.

As for your last sentence, you just blurting out names for the sake of it. Belotti, it would be harsh to call a one season wonder however he has scored 5 goals this season, yes only 5 goals. However you are stating that we could have gone for him. He is somewhat unproven himself...

He did nothing but "fall on the ground" apparently. 

We have far too many captain hindsights on this forum who switch from one opinion to another, the fickleness is unbearable. We are all fickle to some extent but this is becoming beyond ridiculous, sometimes you just got to give it another season and not just a few games. I've written this season off quite honestly but I have hope that next season we will be much better, we signed a lot of players and that usually needs a transition. 

I think it would be wise to give Morata another season before wanting him sold. It's crazy how people can berate the club for selling Salah & KDB while simultaneously wanting Morata sold after 8 months of football. 

7 minutes ago, Slojo said:

It's crazy how people can berate the club for selling Salah & KDB while simultaneously wanting Morata sold after 8 months of football. 

But isn't it just as crazy for people to say we were right to get rid of Salah and KDB while simultaneously claiming Morata hasn't had long enough ?

18 minutes ago, coco said:

But isn't it just as crazy for people to say we were right to get rid of Salah and KDB while simultaneously claiming Morata hasn't had long enough ?

Yeah, I would say so, although I was fully against getting rid of KDB & Salah. Salah was actually good in his first 6 months, KDB was sublime at Genk and Bremen on loan although he never really got to showcase the goods at Chelsea, he was good against Hull when he came on. 

So I'm not in that group, however, John Terry did have a point and I think that group agrees with it. At the time Salah & KDB wouldn't have upgraded us, although it was still a terrible decision (as it's now proven to be, hindsight) for the long term. The manager failed to recognise that or give anyone else a chance, we played the same players over and over again and I think that cost us in the end.

Where at the moment we have many players playing bad, not really any individuals who are standing out with the exception of Bakayoko (and I do really hope he gets better but I just can't see it, he hasn't shown me any signs were Morata certainly has). We have Pedro who has taken a holiday all season and is only now just getting some criticism for it, Moses has been poor, David Luiz I have no idea what has gone on there, Fabregas has been VERY bad for his standards. Willian was terrible until just recently, he looked like he was taking a holiday with Pedro. Even when we were winning games and competing with United for 2nd we had a handful of players not playing well enough. 

So the context is very different, scapegoating Morata and saying he needs to be sold is a bit far-fetched. If that's your opinion then that's your opinion but explain it and make it convincing. Convince me why that's a good idea and why keeping Bakayoko is also a good idea despite him being much worse. Also, explain why you are upset at the club for selling KDB & Salah when we had a very successful season at the time, but you suddenly want Morata sold in a season where there are many suspects of underperforming players going hiding. I ask those questions because I see many inconsistencies in the argument, I'm just not understanding the logic here so I'm putting it down to people being fickle. 

EDIT: Also Cuadrado, I wish he got more of a chance, he should've played more because Willian wasn't putting in good enough performances at the time and needed the competition. I also didn't like the sale of Schurrle, I thought he added something different to our game and was a natural goal scorer when Willian was playing average every game. At the moment Schurrle doesn't look that great so maybe it was a good idea. 

Edited March 17, 20188 yr by Slojo

Given a scenario that we miss out on Champions League football next season, could we afford to give Morata another season as the number one striker? I'd argue he would have to return to what he is,a decent second attacker, mentally not strong enough to carry the weight of the roll as the first choice. 

If he did stay, he would have to improve one key aspect of his character, attitude. Fans will always cheer and stay with a guy who shows he is willing to give his all for the club. Hence club legends are borne who may not have the best skill set. Morata so far has shown a disregard for the club with his attitude, improve this and he will gain more leeway.

My own thoughts are irrespective of how well he does here,he will return to Spain within 3 years. I'm far from convinced he really wanted the move to England.