I have a rose tinted view that Morata is going to have a brilliant end of season, needs to force out that Costa fellow from his Spanish WC spot..

He has as much chance of doing that as defoe has of replacing Kane for england

17 hours ago, Slojo said:

"basic economics" Right, so why would they think they can get a profit or even better double their fee if he's a sh*t player? Nothing is adding up here.

If i called him a sh*t player i was exaggerating, not suited to lead to line for a top club would have been more accurate. It'd be like us resigning Bertrand Traore for £10m, if we had an option on him, because we know that 2 or 3 teams are currently looking to pay £25m to sign him. Quite simple when you think about it. 

17 hours ago, Slojo said:

You're dismissing @Caballero's stats about his goals/minutes ratio but you posted a stat about him going 29 games without a goal, is that not hypocritical? I used Christensen as an example because I doubt you've watched Morata before he came to Chelsea you're just listening to what other fans have said. Which I also do because it's good to get an insight but I don't let that cloud my judgement from what I've already seen of him. Maybe I am wrong and Morata becomes this massive flop, he certainly hasn't been great by any means but to say he's been "sh*te" this season isn't true either, maybe judging from the price tag, but I would say 10 goals in 24 league games for his first season isn't terrible. 

I'd say mine was more of a question than a stat. I'd also like to think Morata himself would admit he has had a sh*te season. He only really turned up for about 2-3 months of it and even then he was still hitting the ground at any given opportunity. If he's proud of what he's accomplished this year then i worry. 10 goals in 24 games might look nice but 1/3 of them were in one game and not a single one since Xmas. 

17 hours ago, Slojo said:

But I don't highly rate Morata's goal scoring, I like his link-up play, and I thought he showed great signs linking up with Hazard/Willian earlier in the season, especially with his back to goal and how he switched the play quickly. He did that against United 3 times in the first half and got an attack going swiftly. But he's taken a holiday this year and it's unacceptable so I can understand why fans are unhappy with him, but I just don't agree with the assertion that we signed a player who was never good and never looked to have potential. 

I certainly think he has the ability to be good with his link up play but he seems too stubborn to showcase it most of the time. Instead of a simple lay off he's often rather try to take a player on or run the wrong channel for a pass, or better yet hit the ground and hope he gets a free kick. I think he'll improve with time in this league but i'm not sure he'll ever go down as one of Chelseas best strikers when we look back 40 years or so. At the end of the day we smashed our transfer record for someone that has been very very average this season. Wouldn't get rid yet of course but would start looking for a replacement at the start of 2019 if he doesn't make some drastic improvements. 

 

17 hours ago, Caballero said:

So youre saying Aguero is a poor striker as well, this shows how little you know about football. 

'this shows how little you know about football' pmsl what an embarrassing response.

Aguero has proven himself for several years consistently doing it against big teams. Your mate Morata has played against top teams (City, Utd, Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool, Atletico, Roma) 16 times this year and managed 2 goals and 0 assists. Look at how pointless stats are now. 

15 hours ago, coco said:

You've been bombarding us with cherry picked stats in the short time you have been here. Fair enough it's not against the rules, but don't think you can come on here if you can't handle other peoples opinions without being abusive.

 

They are not cherry picked stats, the stats show Morata has been more productive on the pitch with the minutes he has played compared to Lukaku, if you reject these stats then it shows you have an agenda 

7 hours ago, Ballack & Blu said:

I have a rose tinted view that Morata is going to have a brilliant end of season, needs to force out that Costa fellow from his Spanish WC spot..

I don’t think there is any doubt that Morata will be Spain’s 1st choice striker at the World Cup, Costa isnt rated highly here because of his poor record with the national team, Morata performs best with Spain, now that he is injury free he will regain his place no problem

23 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

this shows how little you know about football' pmsl what an embarrassing response.

Aguero has proven himself for several years consistently doing it against big teams. Your mate Morata has played against top teams (City, Utd, Spurs, Arsenal, Liverpool, Atletico, Roma) 16 times this year and managed 2 goals and 0 assists. Look at how pointless stats are now. 

Now compare Morata and Agueros record in the Champions League KO stages and tell me who is more proven at the highest level.

i use your logic against you hopefully now you see how ridiculous your argument is.

Edited March 22, 20188 yr by Caballero

Strange how some people don't rate Aguero really highly. I think he's a gem. Oh, and Aguero is on a different planet to Morata.

Edited March 22, 20188 yr by Famous CFC

2 minutes ago, Caballero said:

They are not cherry picked stats, the stats show Morata has been more productive on the pitch with the minutes he has played compared to Lukaku, if you reject these stats then it shows you have an agenda 

But you can't boil a player's entire contribution to a team/season into just a couple of stats. 

It's too reductive. Based on that points system Morata's contributions has been bigger than Salah's...

But say Salah scores both goals in a 2-0 win, his contribution was bigger than say Morata scoring the only goal in a 1-0 win... Because his second goal gives Liverpool some breathing space and makes the win "easier". 

Lies, damned lies and statistics as they say. 

19 minutes ago, Caballero said:

Now compare Morata and Agueros record in the Champions League KO stages and tell me who is more proven at the highest level.

i use your logic against you hopefully now you see how ridiculous your argument is.

Which Striker is still in the Champions league though.. Can't believe you've tried to bring one of the best strikers in the world into a discussion about Morata pmsl. 

I prefer the Batman, he's scored more goals since his January transfer than M & G combined total of 2, stats don't lie ;)

23 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Which Striker is still in the Champions league though.. Can't believe you've tried to bring one of the best strikers in the world into a discussion about Morata pmsl. 

You bought Aguero into it and Morata is one of the best strikers in the world. If you understood football this would be clear 

21 minutes ago, Caballero said:

You bought Aguero into it and Morata is one of the best strikers in the world. If you understood football this would be clear 

On 3/21/2018 at 15:23, Caballero said:

So youre saying Aguero is a poor striker as well, this shows how little you know about football. 

As you can see, you brought Aguero into this. I was talking about Morata's 'stats' and you came in with this comment. Morata one of the best strikers in the world and can't get into his national team or nail down a starting spot at any team he's been at?

Okay darling, whatever you say. You can leave this forum now troll x

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

As you can see, you brought Aguero into this. I was talking about Morata's 'stats' and you came in with this comment. Morata one of the best strikers in the world and can't get into his national team or nail down a starting spot at any team he's been at?

Okay darling, whatever you say. You can leave this forum now troll x

You actually think morata is not Chelsea’s 1st choice striker? What a moron, he has had injury problems in 2018 and suddenly you think he isn’t first choice, this shows your lack of understanding and if you think a Morata won’t be starting for Spain at the World Cup againit shows your lack of knowledge. 

Come back to me when you actually educate yourself on the sport you troll

Edited March 23, 20188 yr by Caballero

17 minutes ago, Caballero said:

You actually think morata is not Chelsea’s 1st choice striker? What a moron, he has had injury problems in 2018 and suddenly you think he isn’t first choice, this shows your lack of understanding and if you think a Morata won’t be starting for Spain at the World Cup againit shows your lack of knowledge. 

Come back to me when you actually educate yourself on the sport you troll

I'd argue Chelsea don't have a #1 striker at the moment as none of them have proven themselves. They're playing on merit atm. Other than injury problems what about his mental problems. The lad can't even let someone breathe near him without crying to the ref. Weak mentality, not a killer mentality of top strikers. 

Also Costa is the far superior Striker of the two. If Lopetegui knows anything he'll start him. Come back in summer and we'll discuss again. That's if you aren't crying over Morata somewhere by then pmsl. Such a fan boy. 

Bye bye, back to your Real Madrid forum now babes x

Edited March 23, 20188 yr by RIP Mourinho

26 minutes ago, Caballero said:

You actually think morata is not Chelsea’s 1st choice striker?

Let's just say I wouldn't be surprised if Chelsea weren't in the market for a new striker come the summer. 

On 3/22/2018 at 08:38, RIP Mourinho said:

If i called him a sh*t player i was exaggerating, not suited to lead to line for a top club would have been more accurate. It'd be like us resigning Bertrand Traore for £10m, if we had an option on him, because we know that 2 or 3 teams are currently looking to pay £25m to sign him. Quite simple when you think about it. 

 

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Are you actually comparing 20 million to 60 million? 

You don't just resign a player and expect other clubs to pay 60 odd million for him if he's a sh*t player. If it's as easy as you say I hope you start working for Chelsea in the finance department. 

Edited March 23, 20188 yr by Slojo

Almost April and Alvaro has only managed one goal against top six opponents so far.

Should be rich pickings for him against the spuds, he's had two weeks off away from international duty, he should be as fresh as a daisy on the first day of spring, he'll be facing a tired back line, for a fair few of the spuds players it will be their third game in a week, if he can''t turn up in these games with an obvious advantage then we really should be asking if he ever will.

On 23/03/2018 at 18:05, Slojo said:

Are you actually comparing 20 million to 60 million? 

You don't just resign a player and expect other clubs to pay 60 odd million for him if he's a sh*t player. If it's as easy as you say I hope you start working for Chelsea in the finance department. 

Real Madrid resigned him to sell for profit. what do you struggle to understand about that? I was just giving an in house example. Real knew teams were talking to Juve to sign him for lots of money. They could get him cheap and resell for more. Good business by them. 

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Real Madrid resigned him to sell for profit. what do you struggle to understand about that? I was just giving an in house example. Real knew teams were talking to Juve to sign him for lots of money. They could get him cheap and resell for more. Good business by them. 

I don't understand what your point is, you don't just double your money on players if they're not good players, Bertrand Traore is going for 25 million you say? Why is that? It must be just how the world works if we brought him back for 12 million, nothing to do with what he did on the pitch.

The argument on Morata's performances I can understand and how he's gone missing, but I don't see how you can disagree with me here that he was obviously a player with potential when first signed. 

But really? If he was a sh*t player he wouldn't have been going for 60-70 million in the market, and Madrid certainly wouldn't have been confident for selling him for that price or deemed his buyback worth it if he showed nothing of value at Juventus. 

14 hours ago, Slojo said:

I don't understand what your point is, you don't just double your money on players if they're not good players, Bertrand Traore is going for 25 million you say? Why is that? It must be just how the world works if we brought him back for 12 million, nothing to do with what he did on the pitch.

The argument on Morata's performances I can understand and how he's gone missing, but I don't see how you can disagree with me here that he was obviously a player with potential when first signed. 

But really? If he was a sh*t player he wouldn't have been going for 60-70 million in the market, and Madrid certainly wouldn't have been confident for selling him for that price or deemed his buyback worth it if he showed nothing of value at Juventus. 

Oh i agree that he had potential and i'm not disputing he wasn't worth the £58M(?) or whatever we spent on him, i still think he'll turn out good at some point tbh. I think this disagreement has got confused somehow. I'm not saying B.Traore is worth £25m, it was just an in house example of what Madrid did. They had a £30m, or whatever it was, buy back clause on him. They didn't buy him back to join the team, they only bought him back to sell on for profit as teams were negotiating for much more than that with Juve. 

As for £60-70m in the current market, worse players have gone for a lot more than that recently. 

6 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Oh i agree that he had potential and i'm not disputing he wasn't worth the £58M(?) or whatever we spent on him, i still think he'll turn out good at some point tbh. I think this disagreement has got confused somehow. I'm not saying B.Traore is worth £25m, it was just an in house example of what Madrid did. They had a £30m, or whatever it was, buy back clause on him. They didn't buy him back to join the team, they only bought him back to sell on for profit as teams were negotiating for much more than that with Juve. 

As for £60-70m in the current market, worse players have gone for a lot more than that recently. 

Then we've pretty much argued over nothing 

Basically, despite his caps/games record he was a good player for Juve, Real didn't have to resign him, the top Spanish clubs sell about 50% of their academy with buyback clauses not many get bought back. Remember Oriol Romeru had a buy back clause when AVB signed him but they never bothered buying him back. 

He was a gamble no doubt about it, he showed good attributes for a forward but he's never been the number one man to lead the line until now. And let's face it he's struggled for a majority of this season, I don't think he's been terrible, the Torres comparisons are embarrassing quite frankly. Some people forget how bad Torres was here. 

Yeah sure the board might sign another striker, we'll wait and see, but that in no way means his playing days are over, we've signed many strikers over the years and a minority of them have been successful. You could pretty much say Drogba & Costa were our only two signings that didn't flop, Costa did exceptional for his first season and as the main striker, he had that mentality. Drogba came in around a few others but in time he became our number 1 at the front. Of course, we had players like Anelka & Ba who also delivered, but they weren't signed to be our number 1 striker. 

5 hours ago, Scott said:

"O Jimmy Jimmy" proper striker!!

11 hours ago, Scott said:

Fat arsed, angry, goal scoring genius....What I wouldnt give for a player like him now.

On 28/03/2018 at 01:10, Scott said:

My heart skips a beat at the sight of this man!