43 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Saw a lot of Madrid fans saying that with Morata for every goal he did score he'd miss 2 or 3 much easy chances. Certainly seems the case here too. Should definitely give him another year to try and sort himself out.

I didn't think even Costa took every chance though what I did appreciate was the way he fought against defenders to get the chances, Morata goes down too often.

4 minutes ago, Strider6003 said:

I didn't think even Costa took every chance though what I did appreciate was the way he fought against defenders to get the chances, Morata goes down too often.

Costa's goals to shots ratio was one of the best in the league. 

He didn't take many shots Diego but generally when he did he got pretty close to the target. 

Just now, ForeverCarefree said:

Costa's goals to shots ratio was one of the best in the league. 

He didn't take many shots Diego but generally when he did he got pretty close to the target. 

I was thinking partly of headers, Diego's were not the best though his shots when chasing a through ball were impressive.

1 hour ago, TomCFC85 said:

Having spoken to Real Madrid fans, that assertion isn't the case. Last Season Morata had the second most goals in the league, more than Messi I believe.
Trouble is, Benzema links up better with Ronaldo, therefore Morata mostly came on as an impact sub, of which he was very successful at doing.
Real Madrid fans were actually very angry that the club sold Morata and many this season have openly stated that they would've preferred to sell Benzema. 

Morata got 15 last season, Messi got 37. Most of Morata's goals were against relegation candidates too.

1 minute ago, Scott Harris said:

Morata got 15 last season, Messi got 37. Most of Morata's goals were against relegation candidates too.

Must be confusing the stat with something else then. 

1 hour ago, TomCFC85 said:

Having spoken to Real Madrid fans, that assertion isn't the case. Last Season Morata had the second most goals in the league, more than Messi I believe.
Trouble is, Benzema links up better with Ronaldo, therefore Morata mostly came on as an impact sub, of which he was very successful at doing.
Real Madrid fans were actually very angry that the club sold Morata and many this season have openly stated that they would've preferred to sell Benzema. 

Speak to them again, ask them if they want him back ? Similar price, less depreciation, call it a fiver !

Another great stat

 

1 hour ago, Caballero said:

Another great stat

 

I really hate these kind of stats. Watch the games not the stats. Also, this tweet is full of rubbish, who is saying Lukaku is having a great season? People have said what they have always said about Lukaku, that he will score goals, but he doesn't turn up for the big games.

1 hour ago, Caballero said:

Another great stat

 

I think our understanding of the word great differs somewhat. 

What's Morata's yellow cards to minutes ratio? 

I bet that stat is quite impressive. 

Another great stat, Morata has played 860 fewer minutes than Lukaku in the PL and his goals and assists have still won his team more points than Lukaku. 

But haters are gonna hate eh?

It is not about hating Morata, it is more about not being a sucker for his stats. Nobody here hates him, and I am the first one that wanted him to come, and still want him to stay next season. I think he is a quality striker, but it is absurd to deny his dip in form since the new year, and the fact that he needs to man up to the constant bullying he gets from defenders. It is no good to be complaining all the time, get up and keep going at them is all we are asking. He's got quality, I don't doubt that, but he needs to change his attitude on the pitch if he wants to succeed here. And no stats will change what we have been seeing in most games this year so far, so don't come here trying to hide a fact we all see (even us who think he is quality) behind a set of stats.

18 minutes ago, Caballero said:

Another great stat, Morata has played 860 fewer minutes than Lukaku in the PL and his goals and assists have still won his team more points than Lukaku. 

But haters are gonna hate eh?

If this is how many points a poor striker can win, imagine where we would be in the league with a proper striker up top. 

 

P.s. these stats are sh*t. 

22 minutes ago, Caballero said:

Another great stat, Morata has played 860 fewer minutes than Lukaku in the PL and his goals and assists have still won his team more points than Lukaku. 

But haters are gonna hate eh?

Please stop trying to convince us, we watch every minute of his games since he arrived, we don't need numbers to help us.

Try feeding all these stats to the RM fan forum, see if they fall for it, maybe they don't watch him that much now, maybe you could convince them to call for his return ?

On 19/03/2018 at 21:35, brownindian said:

I respect your take and I feel bad arguing with you on this cos i too believe that when he is in top form and is played in a formation that suits him he is capable of it, but lets live in the now shall we ?

-Chelsea right now are in a sluggish form. Willian and Kante (Alonso could be slotted in perhaps)are pretty much our in form players right now. Morata seems to excel only when the ball is played to his feet in space or a cross is put when he is in space. How often has that happened recently ?

-Also, how much of Conte's style of play seems to be built on that as opposed to try and have the front man hold up the ball ? A lot of what applies to Morata could very well apply to Batshuayi and Conte did not want him. Giroud does the donkey work of holding up the ball and allow Willian and Hazard to attack and not carry the burden of holding the ball. He also provides a physical presence to trouble the defenders and a tall target to head the ball into the net

-Also, which do you think was our better performance? A winning effort against Leceister in the FA cup or the losing effort against Barcelona in Spain ?I feel like if we could bring that intensity we brought to Barcelona into all our remaining games, top 4 is ours for sure. And that means getting Hazard and Willian more into the mix.

 

What do you mean live in the now? 

Is football always supposed to be the same? Did you say the same about Willian when he was playing garbage more than a month ago. That's why I said if we can get him back on form we might have a better chance of qualifying, whereas with Giroud I don't think even the best of Giroud can get us firing into the top 4. Giroud although has been trying more than Morata has of late, he's done nothing worth mentioning since arriving, we'll give him the benefit of the doubt given the current circumstances. 

On 19/03/2018 at 20:32, RIP Mourinho said:

didn't he go like 29 games or something without a goal for Juve and couldn't nail down a starting spot against a very poor Benzema for Real?

His goals to minutes ratio say different. Demba Ba actually had really good goals to minutes ratio at Chelsea but his goals to games looked piss poor because Jose kept bringing him on in the 90th minute on every game.

For me, your feedback on players appears to be listening from other fans talk. Like how you said Christensen is a ball playing defender because Monchengladbach fans said he's good with his feet. When you can quite clearly see that Christensen was more of a limited defender, and that's much more the case now. If you watched Morata in the Champions League games for Juve when they reached the final you would know he had talent, good work rate, good holdup play, all at a very young age, that's why he played for the national team a lot. 

Don't get me wrong Morata has always been a backup striker, but he's also played behind forwards because he's a better all-round footballer, would Madrid have brought him back if he was a sh*t striker?

The thing is you can't use stats like 29 games then dismiss other people posting stats because it doesn't suit your narrative. Yeah, he had a lot of Juventus games but most of the games he came off the bench in late minutes, it's not the full context. https://www.whoscored.com/Players/91213/History/Álvaro-Morata 

Edited March 21, 20188 yr by Slojo

On 19/03/2018 at 21:35, brownindian said:

I respect your take and I feel bad arguing with you on this cos i too believe that when he is in top form and is played in a formation that suits him he is capable of it, but lets live in the now shall we ?

-Chelsea right now are in a sluggish form. Willian and Kante (Alonso could be slotted in perhaps)are pretty much our in form players right now. Morata seems to excel only when the ball is played to his feet in space or a cross is put when he is in space. How often has that happened recently ?

-Also, how much of Conte's style of play seems to be built on that as opposed to try and have the front man hold up the ball ? A lot of what applies to Morata could very well apply to Batshuayi and Conte did not want him. Giroud does the donkey work of holding up the ball and allow Willian and Hazard to attack and not carry the burden of holding the ball. He also provides a physical presence to trouble the defenders and a tall target to head the ball into the net

-Also, which do you think was our better performance? A winning effort against Leceister in the FA cup or the losing effort against Barcelona in Spain ?I feel like if we could bring that intensity we brought to Barcelona into all our remaining games, top 4 is ours for sure. And that means getting Hazard and Willian more into the mix.

 

Giroud was awful against Barca, this isn't just in one game but for a big guy who can hold up the ball when he passes it off the majority of the time it is going back to the opposition, you just cant have that happening with either forward. Giroud ruined a lot of attacks against Barca with his frustrating hold up play, Giroud should have been gone at half-time, looked of the pace and couldn't keep up.

Tbh you can see now why Arsenal wasn't bothered to get rid, his no natural goalscorer either. Worryingly we don't have a better in form striker but Morata has to play after scoring against Leicester, his confidence will be better and he needs the backing, personally think it will be awful man management to do anything else.

10 minutes ago, Slojo said:

His goals to minutes ratio say different. Demba Ba actually had really good goals to minutes ratio at Chelsea but his goals to games looked piss poor because Jose kept bringing him on in the 90th minute on every game.

For me, your feedback on players appears to be listening from other fans talk. Like how you said Christensen is a ball playing defender because Monchengladbach fans said he's good with his feet. When you can quite clearly see that Christensen was more of a limited defender, and that's much more the case now.

Don't get me wrong Morata has always been a backup striker, but he's also played behind forwards because he's a better all-round footballer, would Madrid have brought him back if he was a sh*t striker?

The thing is you can't use stats like 29 games then dismiss other people posting stats because it doesn't suit your narrative. Yeah, he had a lot of Juventus games but most of the games he came off the bench in late minutes, it's not the full context. https://www.whoscored.com/Players/91213/History/Álvaro-Morata 

You're absolutely right stats aren't the whole context. Morata has been sh*te this season yet his stats are saying he's one of the most important and deadly strikers in the league. Watch the games and that clearly isn't the case. 

 

As for the Christensen comments unsurprisingly i didn't watch a whole lot of Monchengladbach games, watching mid table Bundesliga games isn't a hobby of mine. Having said that Andreas is more than comfortable with the ball at his feet and can break into midfield. He isn't going to hit that 50 yard hollywood ball like Luiz but he can play comfortably with the ball at his feet. Certainly more comfortable than most CB's his age. If he was limited the Danish head coach wouldn't be playing him at CM.

 

As for Madrid bringing him back, that was just basic economics. Why pass up on a relatively cheap buy back option when he can fetch double the amount of money proven by the fact they were very near to selling him days after first re-signing him. 

Edited March 21, 20188 yr by RIP Mourinho

1 minute ago, RIP Mourinho said:

You're absolutely right stats aren't the whole context. Morata has been sh*te this season yet his stats are saying he's one of the most important and deadly strikers in the league. Watch the games and that clearly isn't the case. 

 

As for the Christensen comments unsurprisingly i didn't watch a whole lot of Monchengladbach games, watching mid table Bundesliga games isn't a hobby of mine. Having said that Andreas is more than comfortable with the ball at his feet and can break into midfield. He isn't going to hit that 50 yard hollywood ball like Luiz but he can play comfortably with the ball at his feet. Certainly more comfortable than most CB's his age. 

 

As for Madrid bringing him back, that was just basic economics. Why pass up on a relatively cheap buy back option when he can fetch double the amount of money proven by the fact they were very near to selling him days after first re-signing him. 

"basic economics" Right, so why would they think they can get a profit or even better double their fee if he's a sh*t player? Nothing is adding up here.

You're dismissing @Caballero's stats about his goals/minutes ratio but you posted a stat about him going 29 games without a goal, is that not hypocritical? I used Christensen as an example because I doubt you've watched Morata before he came to Chelsea you're just listening to what other fans have said. Which I also do because it's good to get an insight but I don't let that cloud my judgement from what I've already seen of him. Maybe I am wrong and Morata becomes this massive flop, he certainly hasn't been great by any means but to say he's been "sh*te" this season isn't true either, maybe judging from the price tag, but I would say 10 goals in 24 league games for his first season isn't terrible. 

But I don't highly rate Morata's goal scoring, I like his link-up play, and I thought he showed great signs linking up with Hazard/Willian earlier in the season, especially with his back to goal and how he switched the play quickly. He did that against United 3 times in the first half and got an attack going swiftly. But he's taken a holiday this year and it's unacceptable so I can understand why fans are unhappy with him, but I just don't agree with the assertion that we signed a player who was never good and never looked to have potential. 

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

If this is how many points a poor striker can win, imagine where we would be in the league with a proper striker up top. 

 

P.s. these stats are sh*t. 

So youre saying Aguero is a poor striker as well, this shows how little you know about football. 

1 hour ago, coco said:

Please stop trying to convince us, we watch every minute of his games since he arrived, we don't need numbers to help us.

Try feeding all these stats to the RM fan forum, see if they fall for it, maybe they don't watch him that much now, maybe you could convince them to call for his return ?

Who is trying to convince anyone? If you had 1 ounce of football knowledge you would know Morata is an outstanding player, Clearly you are clueless 

28 minutes ago, Caballero said:

So youre saying Aguero is a poor striker as well, this shows how little you know about football. 

 

26 minutes ago, Caballero said:

Who is trying to convince anyone? If you had 1 ounce of football knowledge you would know Morata is an outstanding player, Clearly you are clueless 

 

You don't need to be disrespectful towards other posters about it. We all have our opinions and it's understandable why they're highly critical of Morata. It's bound to happen when he's had such an abysmal year, the only way he can win them over is if he performs better and shows the positives like he did in the first few months of his arrival. 

23 minutes ago, Slojo said:

 

 

You don't need to be disrespectful towards other posters about it. We all have our opinions and it's understandable why they're highly critical of Morata. It's bound to happen when he's had such an abysmal year, the only way he can win them over is if he performs better and shows the positives like he did in the first few months of his arrival. 

Abysmal year due to injury, Lukaku had a worse goal drought earlier in the season and Costas last season was worse, Morata hasn’t been 100% fit for a while and most of his appearances were coming off the bench when games were already dead. 

1 hour ago, Caballero said:

Who is trying to convince anyone? If you had 1 ounce of football knowledge you would know Morata is an outstanding player, Clearly you are clueless 

You've been bombarding us with cherry picked stats in the short time you have been here. Fair enough it's not against the rules, but don't think you can come on here if you can't handle other peoples opinions without being abusive.

 

3 hours ago, coco said:

You've been bombarding us with cherry picked stats in the short time you have been here. Fair enough it's not against the rules, but don't think you can come on here if you can't handle other peoples opinions without being abusive.

 

I agree with you on the abuse, I thought his responses were uncalled for. But I also think the stats are a good rebuttal considering people are bringing up how many caps he had for Juve when it's pretty misleading. You can't bring stats into an argument and then say stats don't mean sh*t when they don't suit your narrative, that's not reasonable. 

Michy has a better goals to minutes ratio but when you look at who he's scored against and what type of goals they are it's a different story. Although batman has scored a few crucial goals he's also scored a lot of goals what some would consider "stat padding".

And by the way I love Michy and I want him to have a future here, I haven't written him off, he offers something different to Morata. I actually think if you play Batsuayi for 38 games and play Morata for 38 games, Batsuayi will score more goals. But that doesn't mean the team will score more goals, and that's my argument on Morata, he's the superior footballer. However, he hasn't shown it at all since late December and it's becoming noticeable why he wasn't a star striker at his old two clubs. But having said that people need to also bear in mind that he's just turned 25 this season, he's not in his late 20's.