9 minutes ago, Slojo said:

Apparently, this doesn't mean we should sell Morata.

"What is hypocritical about that" Easy, one has actually played well for quite some time when the other hasn't, and has been utterly disastrous to put it politely. 

And are you actually telling me Diego was a better footballer? Right, you clearly didn't watch him for 3 seasons then.

Never knew I could be this exasperated.

You do understand that I still want morata to be sold and the only case where I dont want it to happen is if we get a new no.1. 

Let me also copy paste a post-

Their is a world of difference between morata and bakayoko's position though. As CM, we can keep bakayoko in the squad and easily integrate him. Get his confidence back, whereas with morata there is no way we are buying another 70mil striker unless he leaves. And if he stays, then we have to give him the 1st striker position and take a massive gamble. I am applying the same logic to both the players but the returns to the gamble of both staying and coming good is massively different. Again, been there done that with these arguments. If I wanted to put it another way, if the GK was having the season morata and bakayoko had, keeping him as no.1 for the next season would have been a massive gamble. I see the situation with morata as very similar and simply would not want to go into the next season with him as our no.1 striker. 

 

Diego, when he was not sulking and demanding a move away, was a 10 times better footballer in every aspect of his game other than heading. Literally every aspect. Hold up play, linking up, running at defenders, and lets not even talk about goal scoring ability

 

Edited May 9, 20188 yr by didierforever

3 minutes ago, didierforever said:

Never knew I could be this exasperated.

You do understand that I still want morata to be sold and the only case where I dont want it to happen is if we get a new no.1. 

Let me also copy paste a post-

Their is a world of difference between morata and bakayoko's position though. As CM, we can keep bakayoko in the squad and easily integrate him. Get his confidence back, whereas with morata there is no way we are buying another 70mil striker unless he leaves. And if he stays, then we have to give him the 1st striker position and take a massive gamble. I am applying the same logic to both the players but the returns to the gamble of both staying and coming good is massively different. Again, been there done that with these arguments. If I wanted to put it another way, if the GK was having the season morata and bakayoko had, keeping him as no.1 for the next season would have been a massive gamble. I see the situation with morata as very similar and simply would not want to go into the next season with him as our no.1 striker. 

 

Diego, when he was not sulking and demanding a move away, was a 10 times better footballer in every aspect of his game other than heading. Literally every aspect. Hold up play, linking up, running at defenders, and lets not even talk about goal scoring ability

 

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LOL what!? So if we don't get another striker you want Morata sold? Right just stop please 

4 minutes ago, Slojo said:

LOL what!? So if we don't get another striker you want Morata sold? Right just stop please 

So you get that NOW. Seriously. 

You might find the opinion amusing, but the fact that It took this long to get my view into you took you this long is welll... and then there was ranting and raving.

The fact that I am banging on and on about buying a new CM to support baka and integrete him... none of that registered too? LOL. Okay mate. Now i am actually done. Continue with what you do best.. Happy ranting.

Edited May 9, 20188 yr by didierforever

If we don't get a new goalkeeper in the summer I want Courtois sold, so we can have even less depth.

LOGIC LEVEL: 100000000000

9 minutes ago, Slojo said:

I'm mostly just confused about it, I don't see how Morata has been worse than Bakayoko, yet Morata is the main scapegoat and Bakayoko comes under 0 criticism from the same poster. Especially when a lot of the insults are childlike and silly repetitive arguments. The fanboyism is pretty silly, I have criticised Morata all season, I wanted Chelsea to sign him and he has been underwhelming but I was very impressed with him in 2017 despite some flaws, he had a good start. 

I don't know what he has done to warrant the same abuse from members who also want him sold because of one bad season. Aren't we just repeating the same mistakes here? Why should we be so trigger happy with wanting players sold when we've already got 3 ex-players performing at 3 of our rivals. 

I think they have both been as bad as each other tbh. Bakayoko has largely looked like he isn't a footballer and with Morata the only way we'll score is if we play Stoke-ball and just smash crosses in all game. 

 

Ideally i'd like to keep both for one more season and see how they get on, but i don't think Morata will be content sitting on the bench if things don't go his way having already forced his way out of Real Madrid for the same reason. That being said we can't afford to go into next season with Morata and Giroud as our options. In this instance it may be better recouping as much of our money and trying again for a first choice ST and keeping Giroud as back up.

 

Bakayoko, although he has been sh*te i think is more likely to accept a bench role and to prove himself. When he first went to Monaco the fans disliked him and he was poor on the pitch and it took him a year to settle down. Bring in a CM option to play next to Kante in place of DD/Cesc and have Bakayoko there to prove himself, if not get rid the year after. 

23 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I think they have both been as bad as each other tbh. Bakayoko has largely looked like he isn't a footballer and with Morata the only way we'll score is if we play Stoke-ball and just smash crosses in all game. 

 

Ideally i'd like to keep both for one more season and see how they get on, but i don't think Morata will be content sitting on the bench if things don't go his way having already forced his way out of Real Madrid for the same reason. That being said we can't afford to go into next season with Morata and Giroud as our options. In this instance it may be better recouping as much of our money and trying again for a first choice ST and keeping Giroud as back up.

 

Bakayoko, although he has been sh*te i think is more likely to accept a bench role and to prove himself. When he first went to Monaco the fans disliked him and he was poor on the pitch and it took him a year to settle down. Bring in a CM option to play next to Kante in place of DD/Cesc and have Bakayoko there to prove himself, if not get rid the year after. 

I just cannot subscribe to the first bit, Bakayoko has been abysmal and I think it's very unfair to compare that to Morata. 

And I'm not against giving Bakayoko another chance here, I have even said the confidence isn't there, but I won't pretend that he's going to become good just because. If I were to bet who would become good and who wouldn't out of the two I would definitely put my money on Morata and I think 99% of the forum would. 

It would actually be more logical to sell Morata if we were getting a replacement, instead of selling him if we don't get one, so we'll be stuck with Giroud on his own for a full season. Let's face it Michy isn't coming back. So I don't know where the f**k DF is getting that idea from but it's nuts. I have faith Morata can come good because I've seen him play well, but confidence and mentality is a big factor, I definitely don't think we should put all of our eggs in one basket here. If Conte stays, get rid of Michy, he's not going to play here, but get another striker and try to play more with two up front than just the one. Let Morata play with Giroud and put Morata on the wing now and then, he was actually quite reasonable on the flank when he played with Giroud. 

So what counts as a 'Big Chance'

They're both sh*te, don't waste your breath defending them.

17 minutes ago, Stim said:

So what counts as a 'Big Chance'

In Moratas case, anything on his right foot, in the 6yd box, on a warm day, away from Stamford bridge.

1 hour ago, Slojo said:

LOL what!? So if we don't get another striker you want Morata sold? Right just stop please 

I just re-read the post and all i can say is "FACEPALM".

You do understand that I still want morata to be sold and the only case where I dont want it to happen is if we get a new no.1. 

Let me break it down for you:

Scenario1: We keep morata - only if we buy another striker and intergrate him

Scenario2: We sell morata - we buy a new striker. Honestly speaking, I would have thought that selling and then replacing/buying would be IMPLIED. I did not know that you would reach the conclusion that you did. Absolutely mind boggling. 

To be fair, I thought you got the gist, but then I read the TIbo post and was like "WHATTT???" and then re-read your post. Anyways, well done mate. 

 

Their is a world of difference between morata and bakayoko's position though. As CM, we can keep bakayoko in the squad and easily integrate him. Get his confidence back, whereas with morata there is no way we are buying another 70mil striker unless he leaves. And if he stays, then we have to give him the 1st striker position and take a massive gamble. I am applying the same logic to both the players but the returns to the gamble of both staying and coming good is massively different. Again, been there done that with these arguments. If I wanted to put it another way, if the GK was having the season morata and bakayoko had, keeping him as no.1 for the next season would have been a massive gamble. I see the situation with morata as very similar and simply would not want to go into the next season with him as our no.1 striker. 

 

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I think they have both been as bad as each other tbh. Bakayoko has largely looked like he isn't a footballer and with Morata the only way we'll score is if we play Stoke-ball and just smash crosses in all game. 

 

Ideally i'd like to keep both for one more season and see how they get on, but i don't think Morata will be content sitting on the bench if things don't go his way having already forced his way out of Real Madrid for the same reason. That being said we can't afford to go into next season with Morata and Giroud as our options. In this instance it may be better recouping as much of our money and trying again for a first choice ST and keeping Giroud as back up.

 

Bakayoko, although he has been sh*te i think is more likely to accept a bench role and to prove himself. When he first went to Monaco the fans disliked him and he was poor on the pitch and it took him a year to settle down. Bring in a CM option to play next to Kante in place of DD/Cesc and have Bakayoko there to prove himself, if not get rid the year after. 

THank the f**king lord!!!

Seems like any thread that has didierforever as the most recent poster tends to be a long argument, completely straying off topic/

43 minutes ago, Zeta said:

Seems like any thread that has didierforever as the most recent poster tends to be a long argument, completely straying off topic/

I'll take most responsibility as I kept going on and on while starting it. But it's hard to put up with such sheer stupidity on every f**king major thread in the forum, why I argue with him I have no idea...

I can only assume the reason he gets away with posting so much bull sh*t is that a majority of the posters can't be bothered arguing with him.

Edited May 9, 20188 yr by Slojo

2 hours ago, Spiller86 said:

All a bit vague, a bit like the "key passes" stat. 

That said, I do think our finishing has been poor this season. We've lacked a cutting edge up front and lack goalscorers throughout the team. There aren't enough players capable/willing to score goals in our team right now. 

When you think we've had squads before where you had quite a few players hitting double figures we lack that now. 

My biggest hope for the summer is we bring in a couple of players who aren't so shot shy. 

Dont' think we will be dumb enough to let him go, Italian club or not. The only successful strikers we had since Roman took over were Drogba and Costa, one a true legned the other one pretty good but f* insane. It's not easy for a striker to make it at Chelsea, more reasons than just we signed poor players. Get over the poor first season, remember he's only 25, plenty of years ahead of him to be a great player, rather than see him develop at Chelsea than get signed up by City or Arsenal in 2-3 years time, it will happen we let him go for whatever reasons.

Once again an almost non existent threat up top.

His touch was awful tonight, what a disappointment he’s been this season.

If Juve want him then we should sell. We need to recoup as much as we can.

I would bloody take him there myself

Oh geez, this thread is going to be hot tonight. That was a shocker from Morata tonight.

He reminded me of Torres, Soldado and Negredo at their worst. Spanish strikers and English football just don't seem to be a good fit.

So do we risk having him lead the line as number one striker next season? I've serious doubts he has the physicality or mentality for the role. If he had another season like the current one,CL could be a long way away.  

5 minutes ago, Bluesince66 said:

I would bloody take him there myself

But he had that one good game at the start of the season which makes it all alright and also gives him the chance to screw us all over again next season.

Just now, Scott Harris said:

Oh geez, this thread is going to be hot tonight. That was a shocker from Morata tonight.

He reminded me of Torres, Soldado and Negredo at their worst. Spanish strikers and English football just don't seem to be a good fit.

The second coming of Soldado is a very good shout. Technically decent but lacking the balls to be the main man in a top Premier League side.

I don't think he is cut out for our league, it's to mentally and physically hard for him

Please Juve just sign this feeble man.

Giroud at his advancing years is a better shout.