Just now, atomis said:

He wont or cant? So Sarii is either 1 dimensional or too ingrained with this system. Why not mix it up.....let them get the hang of it and dont risk that top 4, then regroup summer time and get it to higher levels. Thats what managing is to me.......you do with what you have and get the best out of the team till time dictates better ( better players suited ).

If we are trying to implement an attacking based system with an emphasis on possession then yes reverting back even for a while will have catastrophic implications. You could argue he is adapting within the system as much as he can without totally comprehemising it, for example we don't take as many risks in our ball possession as we did at the start which means our defense won't easily be exposed, something that i hope won't be the case once more suitable players arrive.

4 minutes ago, atomis said:

Yeah but even then you could see some level of adaptibility, tactical changes.....

Not really, even today making changes is Poch's biggest weakness, he is reliant on plan A working more than any other top manager I've ever seen. No one saw what Poch would achieve at Spurs in the first season and anyone who says otherwise is lying.

2 minutes ago, enigma said:

People have gotten too spoiled with past seasons. The league has changed, it's gotten tougher. Liverpool were nowhere to be seen a couple seasons ago, but they've come good by sticking by Klopp and investing well.

Spurs have done next same with Pochettino and it shows. Since we won our last title, Liverpool and City are much better. Spurs are also in good form. Arsenal have a new manager.

It was never going to be an easy ride for Sarri this season. I would argue this is the most competitive season for any chelsea coach. 

Well there you go........exactly why we say you have to adapt and do whats best for the team. If its gotten so competitive and tough then you have to show flexibility......unless you have 500M to spend that is, and Sarii dont. Lets get that top 4 and take it from there......many things depend on it imo.

4 minutes ago, atomis said:

Who gives a f**k what other teams are doing as long as you do your best and most optimal, havent we beat many of the great possession teams by playing our way, teams that were far better than us at it. And I cant agree with you on this, most teams play fast direct footy Eng.

And we are doing our best, whilst changing our style and maintaining 4th. And I am sorry but I can't agree with you either. I prefer to make a judgement on the manager after 12 months not 12 weeks.

3 minutes ago, atomis said:

Well there you go........exactly why we say you have to adapt and do whats best for the team. If its gotten so competitive and tough then you have to show flexibility......unless you have 500M to spend that is, and Sarii dont. Lets get that top 4 and take it from there......many things depend on it imo.

6 points clear in 4th and 1 point behind the manager/team you hold in such high regard.

3 minutes ago, Argo said:

If we are trying to implement an attacking based system with an emphasis on possession then yes reverting back even for a while will have catastrophic implications. You could argue he is adapting within the system as much as he can without totally comprehemising it, for example we don't take as many risks in our ball possession as we did at the start which means our defense won't easily be exposed, something that i hope won't be the case once more suitable players arrive.

Not really, even today making changes is Poch's biggest weakness, he is reliant on plan A working more than any other top manager I've ever seen. No one saw what Poch would achieve at Spurs in the first season and anyone who says otherwise is lying. 

Well time will tell I guess.........hope you are right and it all goes well. Regarding poch, Nahh I have seen him change his formations countless times depending their opponent.....seen him mix it up etc. And no I didnt foresee he would get spurs this good and consistent.

4 minutes ago, atomis said:

Well time will tell I guess.........hope you are right and it all goes well. Regarding poch, Nahh I have seen him change his formations countless times depending their opponent.....seen him mix it up etc. And no I didnt foresee he would get spurs this good and consistent.

1 point behind the manager/team you hold in such high regard.

4 minutes ago, Osgood is Good said:

And we are doing our best, whilst changing our style and maintaining 4th. And I am sorry but I can't agree with you either. I prefer to make a judgement on the manager after 12 months not 12 weeks.

Where do you get your 12 weeks from.....not from me thats for sure. Again no, im not making judgments, merely pointing current flaws in our play and tactics, the way I see it.

2 minutes ago, Osgood is Good said:

6 points clear in 4th and 1 point behind the manager/team you hold in such high regard.

Counts for nothing if we dont get top 4........and yes Poch is good manager, has done wonders for spurs while spending next to nothing compared to his rivals.

Just now, atomis said:

Where do you get your 12 weeks from.....not from me thats for sure. Again no, im not making judgments, merely pointing current flaws in our play and tactics, the way I see it.

Counts for nothing if we dont get top 4........and yes Poch is good manager, has done wonders for spurs while spending next to nothing compared to his rivals.

Look back on this thread, you and others were moaning in November. And there is no room for a Spurs love in on a Chelsea forum.

Just now, Osgood is Good said:

1 point behind the manager/team you hold in such high regard.

Your only making it more obvious how far we have fallen. Why do you keep repeating yourself......is it somes sort of clever dig? Let me ask you this, would we be better or worse than we are atm of Poch was the manager?

1 minute ago, Osgood is Good said:

Look back on this thread, you and others were moaning in November. And there is no room for a Spurs love in on a Chelsea forum.

Wy does it have to be moaning? Why cant it be criticism......especially if its validated. And if a Chels says Poch is good it means he or she is spurs fan? Did I get that right?

1 minute ago, atomis said:

Your only making it more obvious how far we have fallen. Why do you keep repeating yourself......is it somes sort of clever dig? Let me ask you this, would we be better or worse than we are atm of Poch was the manager?

Let me ask you a question, why the love in with Spurs and Pochettino, because it ain't welcome here.

Just now, Osgood is Good said:

Let me ask you a question, why the love in with Spurs and Pochettino, because it ain't welcome here.

Dont stoop to silly and childish BS please.......we can and must do better.

1 hour ago, dansubrosa said:

I think Jorginho has gotten complacent. Easy to do when you have no competition

Jorginho has had competition up to about 5 days ago.

That Sarri chose not to use him was his choice... but no sooner is he gone Sarri laments having no alternatives. 

15 minutes ago, atomis said:

Well time will tell I guess.........hope you are right and it all goes well. Regarding poch, Nahh I have seen him change his formations countless times depending their opponent.....seen him mix it up etc. And no I didnt foresee he would get spurs this good and consistent.

He changes formation but the base of his style is the same and his ingame management is non existent, if a manager outsmarts him from the off or makes a change in his teams favour (Allegri at Wembley) he ends up flatfooted and unable to save things.

53 minutes ago, Osgood is Good said:

We are currently 6 points clear in 4th and 1 point behind Spurs in 3rd, who have had several years with Pochettino.

The same Pochettino who has apparently completely transformed Spuds, has one of the best strikers in world football and is adored by the media.

4 minutes ago, atomis said:

Dont stoop to silly and childish BS please.......we can and must do better.

So pointing out your Spurs/Pochettino love in, is now silly and childish. Yeah alright mate. Enjoy your night.

Just now, Argo said:

He changes formation but the base of his style is the same and his ingame management is non existent, if a manager outsmarts him from the off or makes a change in his teams favour (Allegri at Wembley) he ends up flatfooted and unable to save things.

Sometimes possibly......but you also have to take into account the quality of players too. That they are bottlers and cant get over the line trophy wise is whole another matter.

2 minutes ago, Argo said:

If we are trying to implement an attacking based system with an emphasis on possession then yes reverting back even for a while will have catastrophic implications. You could argue he is adapting within the system as much as he can without totally comprehemising it, for example we don't take as many risks in our ball possession as we did at the start which means our defense won't easily be exposed, something that i hope won't be the case once more suitable players arrive.

Not really, even today making changes is Poch's biggest weakness, he is reliant on plan A working more than any other top manager I've ever seen. No one saw what Poch would achieve at Spurs in the first season and anyone who says otherwise is lying.

With a poor 9, we are at a disadvantage no matter what system we play.  We don't have enough players other than Eden that can create their own goal. It's why Conte's 2nd season was a failure.  We have the oldest roster in the top 6, and unfortunately for us we had to replace a GK this summer.

 

There are advantages and disadvantages by playing the same way, it's not always a weakness to not adapt systems.  Players learn their roles faster and its easier to find players 

1 minute ago, Osgood is Good said:

So pointing out your Spurs/Pochettino love in, is now silly and childish. Yeah alright mate. Enjoy your night.

I tried to be nice and civil but you absolutely had to stoop to silly levels........what is this love in you talk about. So no one can give any team or manager credit just because we are Chels.....or cuz we hate them? Go lie down....have a cofee or whatever the f**k ever you do and take a breather.  

Honestly, some people on here. 

Its a forum, people are allowed to express opinion, we all support Chelsea.

1 minute ago, shedpensioner said:

Honestly, some people on here. 

Its a forum, people are allowed to express opinion, we all support Chelsea.

Nahh not here anymore unfortunetly........we have seen it many times. The only things such members light up is their own insecurity and narrow thinking.......you dont lose anything by it, I dont lose anything by it.

1 minute ago, atomis said:

I tried to be nice and civil but you absolutely had to stoop to silly levels........what is this love in you talk about. So no one can give any team or manager credit just because we are Chels.....or cuz we hate them? Go lie down....have a cofee or whatever the f**k ever you do and take a breather.  

Don't be such a condescending pr*ck. You piss and moan on every thread, every day, and you have been pulled up about it by many others. Got nothing for you mate.

Just now, Osgood is Good said:

Don't be such a condescending pr*ck. You piss and moan on every thread, every day, and you have been pulled up about it by many others. Got nothing for you mate.

Where have I been condescending.....show it to me. If I choose to moan, its my will.....you get that kid. And the others you mention are the same culprits who have hounded many decent forumers out of here. Its a forum....you get it yet? A place where folks can talk about stuff, you are not forced to reply or even make an account.......get it yet my boy?

14 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Jorginho has had competition up to about 5 days ago.

That Sarri chose not to use him was his choice... but no sooner is he gone Sarri laments having no alternatives. 

In fairness he did use Fab quite a bit from the bench this season. Just not for Jorginho as I assume he felt his performances were good enough. However Sarri clearly wasn't happy with Jorginho's showing on Saturday. The test will be if Jorginho continues to underwhelm (after a promising start is has to be said) and still starts every game.

1 minute ago, atomis said:

Where have I been condescending.....show it to me. If I choose to moan, its my will.....you get that kid. And the others you mention are the same culprits who have hounded many decent forumers out of here. Its a forum....you get it yet? A place where folks can talk about stuff, you are not forced to reply or even make an account.......get it yet my boy?

You are definitely a troll on a wind up. Do one.