7 minutes ago, dkw said:

Nowhere near enough to recoup transfer fees and wages, I would be surprised if it even hits 1% of the outlay. 

 Chelsea makes 33 percent of their money off of merchandising and sponsorship . That’s a lot of money 

Edited July 5, 20206 yr by Johnny5

1 minute ago, Johnny5 said:

You’re very close . Chelsea makes 33 percent of their money off of merchandising and sponsorship . That’s a lot of money ! 

That's not what I was talking about. 

5 hours ago, dkw said:

Clubs don't make money from shirt sales, it's a complete fallacy. 

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/premier-league-transfer-news-epl-cristiano-ronaldo-shirt-sales-fee-net-worth-contract-how-long-a8456191.html

Chelsea will make money from bigger sponsorship deals because of pulisic. American brands will want to be associated with us. We would have the largest fan base in America. 

Shirt sales aren't the answer. 

1 hour ago, bisright1 said:

Chelsea will make money from bigger sponsorship deals because of pulisic. American brands will want to be associated with us. We would have the largest fan base in America. 

Shirt sales aren't the answer. 

I’m buying a couple kits . I’m excited for the kid , I think Lampards done an excellent job of making him earn it so the fans didn’t get too pissy about starting him right away and so the expectations were cooled .  Now here he is and it looks like he has all the confidence in the world . I’m hoping to whip Man U in the FA .  I’m hoping to get in the champions league and to get on track to win the premier league next year and the FA and the champions league .  Lots of good things to look forward to !!! 

10 hours ago, Johnny5 said:

Pulisic was here to sell kits back when he was transferred, now he needs to be Hazard ? Come on . Let him be him .  

Wtf, read what i wrote, and find out how good Damien Duff was for us, for four or five years, the only more exciting players in the world ahead of Hazard were Messi and Neymar, so if Pulisic attains his brilliance, we'll have one supreme player...

Edited July 5, 20206 yr by Ballack & Blu

37 minutes ago, Ballack & Blu said:

Wtf, read what i wrote, and find out how good Damien Duff was for us, for four or five years, the only more exciting players in the world ahead of Hazard were Messi and Neymar, so if Pulisic attains his brilliance, we'll have one supreme player...

I don’t want to change the subject and go off topic so I’ll meet You in the D Duff thread. I did read it obviously . You said Hazard style shoes to fill, but he is definitely on his way. I meant from how little respect he received coming in I’m surprised people need to compare him to hazard . That’s quite a high bar to set for a 21 year old . Especially an American. America has never had a good soccer player come into the premier league and do much of anything, surely not compared to legends of the team . Btw I always thought Neymar sucked and I still do . Only time he was decent was riding messis coattails , more of a flopper than anything. Honestly anyone that does a lot of flopping I’m not a fan of , I don’t think they’re good . I think they’re pathetic and weak . You can bet when cp falls it’s because he was fouled .  

1 hour ago, Johnny5 said:

I don’t want to change the subject and go off topic so I’ll meet You in the D Duff thread. I did read it obviously . You said Hazard style shoes to fill, but he is definitely on his way. I meant from how little respect he received coming in I’m surprised people need to compare him to hazard . That’s quite a high bar to set for a 21 year old . Especially an American. America has never had a good soccer player come into the premier league and do much of anything, surely not compared to legends of the team . Btw I always thought Neymar sucked and I still do . Only time he was decent was riding messis coattails , more of a flopper than anything. Honestly anyone that does a lot of flopping I’m not a fan of , I don’t think they’re good . I think they’re pathetic and weak . You can bet when cp falls it’s because he was fouled .  

There have been a few good 'Yanks' that have done quite well, but i'll leave that, Hazard came here with tremendous potential, Same as Pulisic, or we wouldn't of spunked the amount we did on him, as for Neymar, he's a phenomenal footie player when he's on it, and btw i thought CP at Dortmund was rather special as well, can't wait to see him link up with Timo, Hakim, and made Kai..

1 hour ago, Johnny5 said:

I don’t want to change the subject and go off topic so I’ll meet You in the D Duff thread. I did read it obviously . You said Hazard style shoes to fill, but he is definitely on his way. I meant from how little respect he received coming in I’m surprised people need to compare him to hazard . That’s quite a high bar to set for a 21 year old . Especially an American. America has never had a good soccer player come into the premier league and do much of anything, surely not compared to legends of the team . Btw I always thought Neymar sucked and I still do . Only time he was decent was riding messis coattails , more of a flopper than anything. Honestly anyone that does a lot of flopping I’m not a fan of , I don’t think they’re good . I think they’re pathetic and weak . You can bet when cp falls it’s because he was fouled .  

 

Pulisic is not an American footballer, he's a footballer. Period.

I would think he wants to be recognized as a fine footballer because of his footballing skills, and not because he's an American.

Comparison with Hazard is going to come naturally, not just for Pulisic but for any talented new attacking signings (Timo, etc.). Hazard was an incredible player and a legend in his own rights.

However, it's clear that Pulisic does not want to be Hazard. He wants to carve his out path, be his own man. Whether that ends up being something like Hazard, Sterling, Salah, Mane, Robben, or whomever.......we shall see.

 

 

10 hours ago, Marrone said:

When we signed him last year I was very excited. Seeing subdued reactions from other fans baffled me since he has all the qualities needed to be a top winger. Albeit at Dortmund he was in and out of the team but now that he's getting a good run of games he's showing his potential. Played well before his injury earlier in the season. I would take him off after 70 minutes or so if we are winning comfortably in the next 3-4 games to avoid overworking him.

It's odd to hear the potential angle because those of us who are USMNT/Pulisic fans in this Chelsea context have been watching him play since at least as far back as '14. It's not really a potential thing with him to us other than the question perhaps of whether he develops into a world class caliber player (top 25 or top 50 or top 100 or however you might want to measure it), for us, he's been playing like this since a youth national team player going back more than half a decade. Take a look at something as basic as the goals he scored for Dortmund Youtube clip, or anything else and you'll see elements of everything he's doing. 

If any of us were concerned about anything it was with the twin impacts of the US debacle in qualifying at Couva in '17 which seemed to really crush him, and the arrival of Sancho and a few others at Dortmund, this all seemed to roll together and lead to a dip in form and non-participation with the USMNT throughout much of '18 and early '19. Whatever's happened in Chelsea has actually really helped because things with the USMNT have been a disaster under Berhalter and our incompetent Fed, but it seems as if the year with you guys has really brought a level of focus and consistency to his game that seemed probably missing since the winter of '17-'18 or maybe that spring (I just happen to think the disaster at Couva, missing that cup itself, and the issues at Dortmund kind of hit him hard for a while). Regardless, how he's playing now is essentially the best of what he is, a dynamic attacking playmaker who can work on the wings or centrally or even at Forward, and just score from any angle. His slight form is a concern, and hopefully he'll hold up to the rigors of EPL play (though to be fair, he seems more physically sturdy these days than at any point I've ever seen him.

I think you guys should be very happy with him. He carried the youth national team at times, was a key player for Dortmund as a young kid, was one of only two regular starters during our '17 qualifying campaign disaster that had nothing to apologize for (lead us in scoring, and scored the goal to get us back into the game at 1-2) and is a truly special player. I don't know if he'll reach the heights that other players have for you guys over the past few decades but he has played up to and beyond his potential pretty much everywhere he's been save for that up and down 2018-2019 time period that was at best uneven, and right now, honestly, he's playing with more confidence than I've ever seen. Whatever you're doing with him, it seems to be washing away whatever issues caused his game to slip a touch a few years back. Thank you!

23 minutes ago, Ballack & Blu said:

There have been a few good 'Yanks' that have done quite well, but i'll leave that, Hazard came here with tremendous potential, Same as Pulisic, or we wouldn't of spunked the amount we did on him, as for Neymar, he's a phenomenal footie player when he's on it, and btw i thought CP at Dortmund was rather special as well, can't wait to see him link up with Timo, Hakim, and made Kai..

 

Agreed that when he's on his game, Neymar is easily one of the best in the game. However, most times he overrated.

If I buy a club, the first player I would sign is Hazard....not Neymar. I can trust Hazard to help me win games and trophies, not as much a Neymar.

 

 

As much I want to see Pulisic back in action with the US National team, I would rather that he skips it for the rest of 2020 and focus on staying healthy and solidify his position with Chelsea.

 

1 hour ago, Johnny5 said:

I don’t want to change the subject and go off topic so I’ll meet You in the D Duff thread. I did read it obviously . You said Hazard style shoes to fill, but he is definitely on his way. I meant from how little respect he received coming in I’m surprised people need to compare him to hazard . That’s quite a high bar to set for a 21 year old . Especially an American. America has never had a good soccer player come into the premier league and do much of anything, surely not compared to legends of the team . Btw I always thought Neymar sucked and I still do . Only time he was decent was riding messis coattails , more of a flopper than anything. Honestly anyone that does a lot of flopping I’m not a fan of , I don’t think they’re good . I think they’re pathetic and weak . You can bet when cp falls it’s because he was fouled .  

We've had Keepers that were quite successful, and Dempsey was good to very good with Fulham. I recognize he wasn't a star or superstar but he regularly scored tons of goals including one of the most famous they've had (against Juventus in the UEFA cup). He also scored in three consecutive World Cups ('06, '10, '14) notching 4 in all, scored the knockout clinching goal against Egypt, and then scored against Spain and Brazil in the semifinal's and final of the '09 confederation cup, winning the bronze ball and added another 3 goals at the '16 Copa America Centenario. Granted, not superstar level, but he was a very good player on the international stage and had a good career in England. Not intended to derail the thread, just saw one reference to Dempsey as "decent" and then a reference to the US never really sending a good player over, and I wanted to give Dempsey his props, I don't think many people realize how superb he was for us in major tournaments, and the quality of his career at Fulham (50 goals and 17 in his last season there). 

 

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, haviet1 said:

As much I want to see Pulisic back in action with the US National team, I would rather that he skips it for the rest of 2020 and focus on staying healthy and solidify his position with Chelsea.

 

+1

55 minutes ago, haviet1 said:

 

Pulisic is not an American footballer, he's a footballer. Period.

I would think he wants to be recognized as a fine footballer because of his footballing skills, and not because he's an American.

Comparison with Hazard is going to come naturally, not just for Pulisic but for any talented new attacking signings (Timo, etc.). Hazard was an incredible player and a legend in his own rights.

However, it's clear that Pulisic does not want to be Hazard. He wants to carve his out path, be his own man. Whether that ends up being something like Hazard, Sterling, Salah, Mane, Robben, or whomever.......we shall see.

 

 

I agree completely, I hate labels . He might even end up being like a Pulisic 

50 minutes ago, haviet1 said:

As much I want to see Pulisic back in action with the US National team, I would rather that he skips it for the rest of 2020 and focus on staying healthy and solidify his position with Chelsea.

 

Yeah I bet lol, I bet you’d like if he retired from the USMNT .  Is there any international games scheduled for the year ? I couldn’t see if the Yanks were playing when I looked .  I wouldn’t mind seeing him sit a game but honestly you really can’t afford to at this point . Tuesday would be an opportunity . Just seems like too many games in a row for him in a short Time and he gets dinged up.  

1 hour ago, stoneghost28 said:

We've had Keepers that were quite successful, and Dempsey was good to very good with Fulham. I recognize he wasn't a star or superstar but he regularly scored tons of goals including one of the most famous they've had (against Juventus in the UEFA cup). He also scored in three consecutive World Cups ('06, '10, '14) notching 4 in all, scored the knockout clinching goal against Egypt, and then scored against Spain and Brazil in the semifinal's and final of the '09 confederation cup, winning the bronze ball and added another 3 goals at the '16 Copa America Centenario. Granted, not superstar level, but he was a very good player on the international stage and had a good career in England. Not intended to derail the thread, just saw one reference to Dempsey as "decent" and then a reference to the US never really sending a good player over, and I wanted to give Dempsey his props, I don't think many people realize how superb he was for us in major tournaments, and the quality of his career at Fulham (50 goals and 17 in his last season there). 

 

 

 

 

He didn’t do much of note at Fulham . He was solid , nothing more . For the USMNT he was money . He scored a bunch of big goals . I remember the one vs Portugal was big . A couple against Ghana and a huge one against England that let them go on to win the group .  He could hit a volley like nobody’s business.  A Great international player ! 

Pah, if we're talking about American Fulham players, Brian McBride is the man. Clint Dempsey always came across as a dick. (In all seriousness, the latter was excellent at Fulham).

Unfortunately I have just put Pulisic in my fantasy team, so that's probably the end of his effervescent form. On the other hand I have also put in Bruno Fernandes, so with any luck that will balance out.

10 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Chelsea will make money from bigger sponsorship deals because of pulisic. American brands will want to be associated with us. We would have the largest fan base in America. 

Shirt sales aren't the answer. 

Which American Brands have joined our sponsorship portfolio since Pulisic signed, and how much are they paying? If we take Pulisic`s outlay by the club it will be the £54m fee + a reported £45m wage. So in total we are around £100m in for him. Then if you factor in he has a merchandising deal where he gets a percentage (as all top players now do) then we will be getting at best maybe around 20% of any sales back in as cash. We will need to be getting a lot of sponsorship and a hell of a lot of merchandise sales to impact on that outlay. Also bare in mind we have been travelling to the US for quite a few years prior to Pulisic signing so have built a fanbase already so I dont think signing him will have influenced that many new fans. It might just mean they buy a shirt with his name on the back rather than hazard, lampard etc....

16 minutes ago, dkw said:

Which American Brands have joined our sponsorship portfolio since Pulisic signed, and how much are they paying? If we take Pulisic`s outlay by the club it will be the £54m fee + a reported £45m wage. So in total we are around £100m in for him. Then if you factor in he has a merchandising deal where he gets a percentage (as all top players now do) then we will be getting at best maybe around 20% of any sales back in as cash. We will need to be getting a lot of sponsorship and a hell of a lot of merchandise sales to impact on that outlay. Also bare in mind we have been travelling to the US for quite a few years prior to Pulisic signing so have built a fanbase already so I dont think signing him will have influenced that many new fans. It might just mean they buy a shirt with his name on the back rather than hazard, lampard etc....

You need to take a trip to reddit. Every time he scores it is one of the most viewed videos of the day. Of all content. On one of the biggest internet platforms. 

You are seriously underestimating how many new fans we will get. 

Over the next couple of years you will see the deals come in. But you might not hear that our American tour next summer will generate a lot more revenue than it would have otherwise. 

This is all dependent on him being successful with us. That will bring American brands in. That's why every game we play will be watched there.

I think him being American added 5-10 mil to the price, but isn't the reason we signed him. That's all. However if he becomes one of our stars, we will make more.off him than the cost. 

 

Looked it up, beats by Dre sponsor us, if that renews the price will increase. We are also now sponsored by fiserv who are an American brand for 1mil a year. Pulisic would have helped that deal. 

Edited July 6, 20206 yr by bisright1

6 hours ago, haviet1 said:

 

Pulisic is not an American footballer, he's a footballer. Period.

I would think he wants to be recognized as a fine footballer because of his footballing skills, and not because he's an American.

Comparison with Hazard is going to come naturally, not just for Pulisic but for any talented new attacking signings (Timo, etc.). Hazard was an incredible player and a legend in his own rights.

However, it's clear that Pulisic does not want to be Hazard. He wants to carve his out path, be his own man. Whether that ends up being something like Hazard, Sterling, Salah, Mane, Robben, or whomever.......we shall see.

 

 

The fact that he's American is good though, it really opens up a big market there and a lot of American fans are interesting and tuning in, I'm sure you're one of them? 

But I completely agree with you on the Hazard comparisons. In terms of dribbling, you can see why, I had no idea he was so tidy with the ball, one thing I do like about Pulisic though is that he will take risks. He loses the ball more than Hazard, but he takes a lot more risks. 

57 minutes ago, dkw said:

Which American Brands have joined our sponsorship portfolio since Pulisic signed, and how much are they paying? If we take Pulisic`s outlay by the club it will be the £54m fee + a reported £45m wage. So in total we are around £100m in for him. Then if you factor in he has a merchandising deal where he gets a percentage (as all top players now do) then we will be getting at best maybe around 20% of any sales back in as cash. We will need to be getting a lot of sponsorship and a hell of a lot of merchandise sales to impact on that outlay. Also bare in mind we have been travelling to the US for quite a few years prior to Pulisic signing so have built a fanbase already so I dont think signing him will have influenced that many new fans. It might just mean they buy a shirt with his name on the back rather than hazard, lampard etc....

45m in wages???? Where the hell did you pluck that figure from, unless you mean over the whole contract or something, but even then - It seems way too high imo

34 minutes ago, Slojo said:

The fact that he's American is good though, it really opens up a big market there and a lot of American fans are interesting and tuning in, I'm sure you're one of them? 

But I completely agree with you on the Hazard comparisons. In terms of dribbling, you can see why, I had no idea he was so tidy with the ball, one thing I do like about Pulisic though is that he will take risks. He loses the ball more than Hazard, but he takes a lot more risks. 

He's different to Hazard. He's more direct. Hazard frustrated me a bit as he would often slow down the play. Pulisic always looks to move the ball forward quickly. 

2 hours ago, driller97 said:

45m in wages???? Where the hell did you pluck that figure from, unless you mean over the whole contract or something, but even then - It seems way too high imo

Obviously over the length of his contract, so 45m over 6 years isnt too high.

1 minute ago, dkw said:

Obviously over the length of his contract, so 45m over 6 years isnt too high.

Ahhh 6 year contract, my bad.

For some reason I thought it was a 4 year contract, and getting 45m over that time seemed absurdly high.