1 hour ago, timetowaste said:

Well if you've got an opinion so different to mine there's zero point in trying to find a middle ground. Jackson is absolutely nowhere near the level of either of them so if you think he's better and the other 2 are rubbish we're never gonna agree 😂

He's a far better all round footballer than Osimhen. Osimhen is on par with Lukaku when it comes to grace on the ball. 

Toney is better focal point but Jackson will offer more linking up.

8 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

He's a far better all round footballer than Osimhen. Osimhen is on par with Lukaku when it comes to grace on the ball. 

Toney is better focal point but Jackson will offer more linking up.

Fully agree with your point RE Osimhen. Flat track bully with 0 positives that translate to the Prem.

 

Have to disagree slightly with the Toney view though, he is everything Jackson isn’t, a natural finisher with a footballing brain. He’s exactly what this squad needs to go back to being a perennial Champions League contender. Toney being fed by Neto/Palmer/Madueke/Felix/Nkunku is the closest guarantee to a 20 goal a season striker you’ll get. Jackson in that same role will likely get 8-10. 

27 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

He's a far better all round footballer than Osimhen. Osimhen is on par with Lukaku when it comes to grace on the ball. 

Toney is better focal point but Jackson will offer more linking up.

Jackson is rubbish….. he isn’t better than Osimhen. It is ludicrous to think this.

27 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

He's a far better all round footballer than Osimhen. Osimhen is on par with Lukaku when it comes to grace on the ball. 

Toney is better focal point but Jackson will offer more linking up.

Pace (debatable), link up play, finishing, pressing, ball control, heading are all in favour of Osimhen imo, comparisons with Lukaku are lazy, he offers far much more than Lukaku does.

Toney is probably say the same, apart from the pace and possibly pressing as Jackson has him beaten there, but the rest yeah I'd favour Toney over Jackson on all of them.

23 minutes ago, The Boehly Babes said:

Fully agree with your point RE Osimhen. Flat track bully with 0 positives that translate to the Prem.

 

Have to disagree slightly with the Toney view though, he is everything Jackson isn’t, a natural finisher with a footballing brain. He’s exactly what this squad needs to go back to being a perennial Champions League contender. Toney being fed by Neto/Palmer/Madueke/Felix/Nkunku is the closest guarantee to a 20 goal a season striker you’ll get. Jackson in that same role will likely get 8-10. 

Didn't he just hit 15 goals last season being fed by Mudryk, inexperienced Madueke, Sterling and Palmer? 

1 minute ago, timetowaste said:

Pace (debatable), link up play, finishing, pressing, ball control, heading are all in favour of Osimhen imo, comparisons with Lukaku are lazy, he offers far much more than Lukaku does.

Toney is probably say the same, apart from the pace and possibly pressing as Jackson has him beaten there, but the rest yeah I'd favour Toney over Jackson on all of them.

Its ok to say you've only watched youtube highlights of Osimhen and you like the sound of him because he's a big name. You don't need to make things up. 

10 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Jackson is rubbish….. he isn’t better than Osimhen. It is ludicrous to think this.

Your hatred clouds your judgement my young padawan. 

1 minute ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Its ok to say you've only watched youtube highlights of Osimhen and you like the sound of him because he's a big name. You don't need to make things up. 

And this is why I didn't want it bother discussing it with you in the first place, you run out of talking points and instead of admitting you're wrong/don't know what you're talking about you just try and be condescending to people you don't agree with 😂. 

39 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Didn't he just hit 15 goals last season being fed by Mudryk, inexperienced Madueke, Sterling and Palmer? 

Lets keep things balanced. Yes, he scored 14 league goals - but only 6 were meaningful. Context matters, so if you are going to use his goals scored as a plus point in his favour, then we also need to note the following....

25 Aug v Luton. 3rd goal of a 3v0 win.  Effectively meaningless.

7 Oct v Burnley. 4th goal of a 4v1 win.  Effectively meaningless.

6 Nov v Spurs. Hatrick. Goals 2, 3 and 4 in a 4v1 win. Goals in the 94th and 97th min as spurs went all out attack despite having 2 players sent off.  The winning goal, with the other 2 adding to the gloss, but effectively meaningless.

12 Nov v Man City. Our 3rd goal in a 4v4 draw.   A big goal

16 Dec v Sheff Utd. 2nd goal in a 2v0 win.   Not a winning goal - but made the game more comfortable.

02 March v Brentford. Opening goal in a 2v2 draw.  A big goal.

11 March v Newcastle. Opening goal in 3v2 win. A big goal.

15 April v Everton. 4th goal in a 6v0 win - Effectively meaningless.

2 May v Spurs. 2nd goal in 2v0 win.  Not a winning goal - but made the game more comfortable.

5 May v West Ham. Goal 4 and 5 in 5v0 win. Effectively meaningless.
11 May v Forest. Winning goal in 3v2 win.   The winning goal.

So out of 14 goals - 7 were effectively meaningless and made no difference to the outcome, other than our Goal difference. The other 6 were meaningful, as they either opened the scoring, drew us level, or were winners.  When looked at in this context - his goal output isnt so commendable.

 

He is rubbish and needs to be gone. 

1 hour ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Didn't he just hit 15 goals last season being fed by Mudryk, inexperienced Madueke, Sterling and Palmer? 

To be polite, he did the old World Cup Harry Kane trick and statpadded his arse off.

Hattrick against that lot with 9 men?

There’s an argument that if Jackson was even a semi decent footballer he’d have easily tripled his total from last season with some of the howlers he had.

 

I think his goal return is more commendable to the supply than to him.
 

Like I said Toney with that supply outscores Jackson every day of the week and twice on Sundays. Which is exactly what a striker needs to do, score.

Big gamble on Tony - didnt find his scoring feet after his ban. Why would we sign a player in his last year of contract for 50 million knowing we just sold Gallager for 20 million cheaper. Bonkers. Having said that, his no look penalty would probably trigger some so could be fun. 

 

32 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Lets keep things balanced. Yes, he scored 14 league goals - but only 6 were meaningful. Context matters, so if you are going to use his goals scored as a plus point in his favour, then we also need to note the following....

25 Aug v Luton. 3rd goal of a 3v0 win.  Effectively meaningless.

7 Oct v Burnley. 4th goal of a 4v1 win.  Effectively meaningless.

6 Nov v Spurs. Hatrick. Goals 2, 3 and 4 in a 4v1 win. Goals in the 94th and 97th min as spurs went all out attack despite having 2 players sent off.  The winning goal, with the other 2 adding to the gloss, but effectively meaningless.

12 Nov v Man City. Our 3rd goal in a 4v4 draw.   A big goal

16 Dec v Sheff Utd. 2nd goal in a 2v0 win.   Not a winning goal - but made the game more comfortable.

02 March v Brentford. Opening goal in a 2v2 draw.  A big goal.

11 March v Newcastle. Opening goal in 3v2 win. A big goal.

15 April v Everton. 4th goal in a 6v0 win - Effectively meaningless.

2 May v Spurs. 2nd goal in 2v0 win.  Not a winning goal - but made the game more comfortable.

5 May v West Ham. Goal 4 and 5 in 5v0 win. Effectively meaningless.
11 May v Forest. Winning goal in 3v2 win.   The winning goal.

So out of 14 goals - 7 were effectively meaningless and made no difference to the outcome, other than our Goal difference. The other 6 were meaningful, as they either opened the scoring, drew us level, or were winners.  When looked at in this context - his goal output isnt so commendable.

 

He is rubbish and needs to be gone. 

Since when did goals have to be meaningful to matter? Its such a forced stat. Where does it stop?

Oh you're a striker you have to score goals! Wait, no thats not what I meant you had to score meaningful goals, you know, ones that technically equal the same as every other goal you score but people place more value on it. Wait, no, youre doing that now too? Well now I want you to only score meaningful goals against big clubs, with your weak foot. Yes, HA, bet you can't do that. 

I bet the Shearer's, Kane's, Aguero's and Haaland's of the world only ever scored meaningful goals, because theyre the only ones that count. right?

Just now, Niall1905 said:

Since when did goals have to be meaningful to matter? Its such a forced stat. Where does it stop?

Oh you're a striker you have to score goals! Wait, no thats not what I meant you had to score meaningful goals, you know, ones that technically equal the same as every other goal you score but people place more value on it. Wait, no, youre doing that now too? Well now I want you to only score meaningful goals against big clubs, with your weak foot. Yes, HA, bet you can't do that. 

I bet the Shearer's, Kane's, Aguero's and Haaland's of the world only ever scored meaningful goals, because theyre the only ones that count. right?

Sorry - but goals 5 or 6 of a thrashing,  scored in the 90th plus minute, simply do not matter as much as a winner, an opener, an equaliser etc.  They pad stats, but in context - don't matter or impact a game. 

You are right that lines have to be drawn. Which is why i have not written off a goal to make it 2v0, as the second goal made the tie more comfortable, despite not changing the result. 

 

2 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

He's a far better all round footballer than Osimhen. Osimhen is on par with Lukaku when it comes to grace on the ball. 

Toney is better focal point but Jackson will offer more linking up.

Tbf, Toney can link up and he's very strong in the air to feed inside forwards. One of his strengths at Brentford and what, amongst other things, they're currently missing.

7 minutes ago, bluetrooper said:

Big gamble on Tony - didnt find his scoring feet after his ban. Why would we sign a player in his last year of contract for 50 million knowing we just sold Gallager for 20 million cheaper. Bonkers. Having said that, his no look penalty would probably trigger some so could be fun. 

 

Because proven scorers in the EPL are harder to come by, than hard working utility players 

7 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

And this is why I didn't want it bother discussing it with you in the first place, you run out of talking points and instead of admitting you're wrong/don't know what you're talking about you just try and be condescending to people you don't agree with 😂. 

As Fabrizio would say. Here. We. Go.

 

Passing stats per 90

Jackson 23/24 - Passes completed - 16.6. Pass completion - 77.3%. Progressive distance - 49.4 yards. Progressive passes - 2.14.

Osimhen 23/24 - Passes completed - 8.82. Pass completion - 66.9%. Progressive distance - 18.1 yards. Progressive passes - 1.05.

Jackson (career to date) - Passes completed - 16.1. Pass completion - 76.4%. Progressive distance - 46.9 yards. Progressive passes - 2.14.

Osimhen (career to date) - Passes completed - 10.6. Pass completion - 64.9%. Progressive distance - 26.3 yards. Progressive passes - 1.10.

Boy if you think Jackson is wasteful with the ball, just you wait.

 

Goal & Shot Creation per 90

Jackson 23/24 - Shot creating actions - 3.05 Goal creating actions 0.35

Osimhen 23/24 - Shot creating actions - 2.45 Goal creating actions 0.36

Jackson (career to date) - Shot creating actions - 2.88 Goal creating actions 0.50

Osimhen (career to date) - Shot creating actions - 2.68 Goal creating actions 0.30

Better at setting up chances for his teammates. 

 

Possession per 90

Jackson 23/24 - Touches - 32.1 Successful take-ons - 51.4%. Carries 19.8. 

Osimhen 23/24 - Touches - 25.0 Successful take-ons - 40.0%. Carries 14.3. 

Jackson (career to date) - Touches - 32.5 Successful take-ons - 55.8%. Carries 20.7. 

Osimhen (career to date) - Touches - 29.0 Successful take-ons - 42.3%. Carries 16.4. 

FAR more effective at taking on his man and carrying the ball

 

Even as far as shooting is concerned, over their career Jackson has a better shots on target %, goals per shot, goals per shot on target. Osimhen just takes about double the amount of shots as Jackson so his goal scoring figures look better. Do you honestly think he'll be shooting as much in the Prem? He's just as wasteful as Jackson.

Going into the nitty gritty boring things too that help the team elsewhere Jackson completes more ball recoveries, more tackles, more interceptions and surprisingly commits less fouls. 

 

All stats: https://fbref.com/en/stathead/player_comparison.cgi?request=1&sum=0&dom_lg=1&player_id1=9c36ed83&p1yrfrom=2023-2024&player_id2=8c90fd7a&p2yrfrom=2023-2024 & https://fbref.com/en/stathead/player_comparison.cgi?request=1&sum=0&dom_lg=1&player_id1=9c36ed83&player_id2=8c90fd7a

1 hour ago, nonotnowjim said:

Lets keep things balanced. Yes, he scored 14 league goals - but only 6 were meaningful. Context matters, so if you are going to use his goals scored as a plus point in his favour, then we also need to note the following....

25 Aug v Luton. 3rd goal of a 3v0 win.  Effectively meaningless.

7 Oct v Burnley. 4th goal of a 4v1 win.  Effectively meaningless.

6 Nov v Spurs. Hatrick. Goals 2, 3 and 4 in a 4v1 win. Goals in the 94th and 97th min as spurs went all out attack despite having 2 players sent off.  The winning goal, with the other 2 adding to the gloss, but effectively meaningless.

12 Nov v Man City. Our 3rd goal in a 4v4 draw.   A big goal

16 Dec v Sheff Utd. 2nd goal in a 2v0 win.   Not a winning goal - but made the game more comfortable.

02 March v Brentford. Opening goal in a 2v2 draw.  A big goal.

11 March v Newcastle. Opening goal in 3v2 win. A big goal.

15 April v Everton. 4th goal in a 6v0 win - Effectively meaningless.

2 May v Spurs. 2nd goal in 2v0 win.  Not a winning goal - but made the game more comfortable.

5 May v West Ham. Goal 4 and 5 in 5v0 win. Effectively meaningless.
11 May v Forest. Winning goal in 3v2 win.   The winning goal.

So out of 14 goals - 7 were effectively meaningless and made no difference to the outcome, other than our Goal difference. The other 6 were meaningful, as they either opened the scoring, drew us level, or were winners.  When looked at in this context - his goal output isnt so commendable.

 

He is rubbish and needs to be gone. 

First goal on Saturday and assist staright after when the goal was still tight. 2 important contributions in as many games this season. 

1 minute ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

First goal on Saturday and assist staright after when the goal was still tight. 2 important contributions in as many games this season. 

Yep - long may it continue.  Shame about everything else that he did that was sh*t..... but hey ho. 

3 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

As Fabrizio would say. Here. We. Go.

 

Passing stats per 90

Jackson 23/24 - Passes completed - 16.6. Pass completion - 77.3%. Progressive distance - 49.4 yards. Progressive passes - 2.14.

Osimhen 23/24 - Passes completed - 8.82. Pass completion - 66.9%. Progressive distance - 18.1 yards. Progressive passes - 1.05.

Jackson (career to date) - Passes completed - 16.1. Pass completion - 76.4%. Progressive distance - 46.9 yards. Progressive passes - 2.14.

Osimhen (career to date) - Passes completed - 10.6. Pass completion - 64.9%. Progressive distance - 26.3 yards. Progressive passes - 1.10.

Boy if you think Jackson is wasteful with the ball, just you wait.

 

Goal & Shot Creation per 90

Jackson 23/24 - Shot creating actions - 3.05 Goal creating actions 0.35

Osimhen 23/24 - Shot creating actions - 2.45 Goal creating actions 0.36

Jackson (career to date) - Shot creating actions - 2.88 Goal creating actions 0.50

Osimhen (career to date) - Shot creating actions - 2.68 Goal creating actions 0.30

Better at setting up chances for his teammates. 

 

Possession per 90

Jackson 23/24 - Touches - 32.1 Successful take-ons - 51.4%. Carries 19.8. 

Osimhen 23/24 - Touches - 25.0 Successful take-ons - 40.0%. Carries 14.3. 

Jackson (career to date) - Touches - 32.5 Successful take-ons - 55.8%. Carries 20.7. 

Osimhen (career to date) - Touches - 29.0 Successful take-ons - 42.3%. Carries 16.4. 

FAR more effective at taking on his man and carrying the ball

 

Even as far as shooting is concerned, over their career Jackson has a better shots on target %, goals per shot, goals per shot on target. Osimhen just takes about double the amount of shots as Jackson so his goal scoring figures look better. Do you honestly think he'll be shooting as much in the Prem? He's just as wasteful as Jackson.

Going into the nitty gritty boring things too that help the team elsewhere Jackson completes more ball recoveries, more tackles, more interceptions and surprisingly commits less fouls. 

 

All stats: https://fbref.com/en/stathead/player_comparison.cgi?request=1&sum=0&dom_lg=1&player_id1=9c36ed83&p1yrfrom=2023-2024&player_id2=8c90fd7a&p2yrfrom=2023-2024 & https://fbref.com/en/stathead/player_comparison.cgi?request=1&sum=0&dom_lg=1&player_id1=9c36ed83&player_id2=8c90fd7a

And yet, despite all the stats ....he is still rubbish.

 

Just goes to show, don't believe every stat - and trust the eye test!  If a player looks sh*t, every single time they play, then they probably are....

Not now, Jim.

3 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

As Fabrizio would say. Here. We. Go.

 

Passing stats per 90

Jackson 23/24 - Passes completed - 16.6. Pass completion - 77.3%. Progressive distance - 49.4 yards. Progressive passes - 2.14.

Osimhen 23/24 - Passes completed - 8.82. Pass completion - 66.9%. Progressive distance - 18.1 yards. Progressive passes - 1.05.

Jackson (career to date) - Passes completed - 16.1. Pass completion - 76.4%. Progressive distance - 46.9 yards. Progressive passes - 2.14.

Osimhen (career to date) - Passes completed - 10.6. Pass completion - 64.9%. Progressive distance - 26.3 yards. Progressive passes - 1.10.

Boy if you think Jackson is wasteful with the ball, just you wait.

 

Goal & Shot Creation per 90

Jackson 23/24 - Shot creating actions - 3.05 Goal creating actions 0.35

Osimhen 23/24 - Shot creating actions - 2.45 Goal creating actions 0.36

Jackson (career to date) - Shot creating actions - 2.88 Goal creating actions 0.50

Osimhen (career to date) - Shot creating actions - 2.68 Goal creating actions 0.30

Better at setting up chances for his teammates. 

 

Possession per 90

Jackson 23/24 - Touches - 32.1 Successful take-ons - 51.4%. Carries 19.8. 

Osimhen 23/24 - Touches - 25.0 Successful take-ons - 40.0%. Carries 14.3. 

Jackson (career to date) - Touches - 32.5 Successful take-ons - 55.8%. Carries 20.7. 

Osimhen (career to date) - Touches - 29.0 Successful take-ons - 42.3%. Carries 16.4. 

FAR more effective at taking on his man and carrying the ball

 

Even as far as shooting is concerned, over their career Jackson has a better shots on target %, goals per shot, goals per shot on target. Osimhen just takes about double the amount of shots as Jackson so his goal scoring figures look better. Do you honestly think he'll be shooting as much in the Prem? He's just as wasteful as Jackson.

Going into the nitty gritty boring things too that help the team elsewhere Jackson completes more ball recoveries, more tackles, more interceptions and surprisingly commits less fouls. 

 

All stats: https://fbref.com/en/stathead/player_comparison.cgi?request=1&sum=0&dom_lg=1&player_id1=9c36ed83&p1yrfrom=2023-2024&player_id2=8c90fd7a&p2yrfrom=2023-2024 & https://fbref.com/en/stathead/player_comparison.cgi?request=1&sum=0&dom_lg=1&player_id1=9c36ed83&player_id2=8c90fd7a

Im not a Jackson hater by any stretch, but where's the stat for should have taken a shot but decided too late so had to pass it stat?  Should have timed his run to be in on goal but got caught offside again?  Didn't get in the box to score an easy header from a smashing cross stat?  These are things he can work on but some are part of his nature and style of play.

Not seen a massive amount on Victor but he seems to have a knack of being in the right place at the right time as most top strikers do.  He takes his opportunities to shot without hesitation, he's not scared of missing.  He's a beast aerially and not afraid of a first time shot and doesn't need multiple touches before shooting.   All attributes I've not yet seen from Jackson.  I see them as 2 different types of players and might even compliment each other.  If we need 2 striker I'm not sure why we need to compare we can work with both.

39 minutes ago, DarkMata said:

Im not a Jackson hater by any stretch, but where's the stat for should have taken a shot but decided too late so had to pass it stat?  Should have timed his run to be in on goal but got caught offside again?  Didn't get in the box to score an easy header from a smashing cross stat?  These are things he can work on but some are part of his nature and style of play.

Not seen a massive amount on Victor but he seems to have a knack of being in the right place at the right time as most top strikers do.  He takes his opportunities to shot without hesitation, he's not scared of missing.  He's a beast aerially and not afraid of a first time shot and doesn't need multiple touches before shooting.   All attributes I've not yet seen from Jackson.  I see them as 2 different types of players and might even compliment each other.  If we need 2 striker I'm not sure why we need to compare we can work with both.

And where is all of those for Osimhen? Osimhen is a absolute dog sh*t footballer and anyone that wants him is because they've looked at his goal return on wikipedia rather than watching him. 

If we want 2 strikers we should be aiming to upgrade on Jackson, not taking a backwards step. Toney wouldn't be a bad alternative, Osimhen would be. 

1 hour ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

As Fabrizio would say. Here. We. Go.

 

Passing stats per 90

Jackson 23/24 - Passes completed - 16.6. Pass completion - 77.3%. Progressive distance - 49.4 yards. Progressive passes - 2.14.

Osimhen 23/24 - Passes completed - 8.82. Pass completion - 66.9%. Progressive distance - 18.1 yards. Progressive passes - 1.05.

Jackson (career to date) - Passes completed - 16.1. Pass completion - 76.4%. Progressive distance - 46.9 yards. Progressive passes - 2.14.

Osimhen (career to date) - Passes completed - 10.6. Pass completion - 64.9%. Progressive distance - 26.3 yards. Progressive passes - 1.10.

Boy if you think Jackson is wasteful with the ball, just you wait.

 

Goal & Shot Creation per 90

Jackson 23/24 - Shot creating actions - 3.05 Goal creating actions 0.35

Osimhen 23/24 - Shot creating actions - 2.45 Goal creating actions 0.36

Jackson (career to date) - Shot creating actions - 2.88 Goal creating actions 0.50

Osimhen (career to date) - Shot creating actions - 2.68 Goal creating actions 0.30

Better at setting up chances for his teammates. 

 

Possession per 90

Jackson 23/24 - Touches - 32.1 Successful take-ons - 51.4%. Carries 19.8. 

Osimhen 23/24 - Touches - 25.0 Successful take-ons - 40.0%. Carries 14.3. 

Jackson (career to date) - Touches - 32.5 Successful take-ons - 55.8%. Carries 20.7. 

Osimhen (career to date) - Touches - 29.0 Successful take-ons - 42.3%. Carries 16.4. 

FAR more effective at taking on his man and carrying the ball

 

Even as far as shooting is concerned, over their career Jackson has a better shots on target %, goals per shot, goals per shot on target. Osimhen just takes about double the amount of shots as Jackson so his goal scoring figures look better. Do you honestly think he'll be shooting as much in the Prem? He's just as wasteful as Jackson.

Going into the nitty gritty boring things too that help the team elsewhere Jackson completes more ball recoveries, more tackles, more interceptions and surprisingly commits less fouls. 

 

All stats: https://fbref.com/en/stathead/player_comparison.cgi?request=1&sum=0&dom_lg=1&player_id1=9c36ed83&p1yrfrom=2023-2024&player_id2=8c90fd7a&p2yrfrom=2023-2024 & https://fbref.com/en/stathead/player_comparison.cgi?request=1&sum=0&dom_lg=1&player_id1=9c36ed83&player_id2=8c90fd7a

Cool cheers for sending these over, now we can have an actual discussion.

For me, I still judge football by the eye test but even if we're talking stats Osimhen managed just over a goal every 2 games and he had a season blighted by injury and some awful decisions made by the board regarding managerial appointments. I'm Italian so I do tend to watch a fair bit of Serie A (hence my snippy response in claiming I only watch Osimhen YouTube clips). My opinion is Osimhen is a player who turns us from a team going for top 4 into a team going for the league title.

Toney on the other hand while he isn't as proven as Osimhen would provide that link from our forwards to goal better than Jackson and he's also a much better finisher. Another pro for Toney is he also ends up being the best defender (and attacker) at set pieces in whatever team he's in, something we are massively lacking at the minute.

I'm not of the thinking that Jackson is sh*t because he isn't, but at this point he is still nowhere near good enough to be leading the line for a team that has aspirations of going for titles. 

Regardless of circumstance, writing off a hat trick against Tottenham as "effectively meaningless" is madness. 

37 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

And where is all of those for Osimhen? Osimhen is a absolute dog sh*t footballer and anyone that wants him is because they've looked at his goal return on wikipedia rather than watching him. 

If we want 2 strikers we should be aiming to upgrade on Jackson, not taking a backwards step. Toney wouldn't be a bad alternative, Osimhen would be. 

I have watched him play multiple times, those attributes are far less prevalent in Osimhens game that was why I pointed them out.  I prefer to judge players by watching them and not just look at a stats website and pick out stats that prove my point.  Which is probably as bad as judging a player off a YouTube clip.

I'm not sure the point in such extreme statements.  If you think he's not the right striker for Marescas system or worried he might struggle in the Premier League then I can understand and probably agree with those points.  Or if you think he's not a top level striker then yeah fair enough, but to say he's dog sh*t is nonsense.  He came 8th in last years Ballon d'Or, Won Serie A, and African player of the year.  Even if you don't agree with that and think he was undeservedly given the awards you can't get on the list if you're dog sh*t.  

Maybe my definition of 'dogsh*t' is different to yours I'm assuming you mean he's bottom half Premiership or maybe Championship quality (not that I'd qualify all of them dog sh*t myself)?