1 minute ago, jack_super_class said:

He has many injuries, just signed his second first team player and he was our best player before sending off.

Give him sometime ffs.

Of course he has been unlucky with injuries but so is every manager at some point in time, the team out tonight was still far better than Fulham (minus their star man) and yet we still lost.

I’d be willing to give him time if there was even the slightest hint of something positive but there’s not, we look beyond toothless in attack and not solid defensively either. He’s chopping and changing the players and formation every single game and then reaching for quadruple substitution as a Hail Mary with 15 mins to go.

Stinks of someone who hasn’t a clue and looks like he’s lost most of the players and fans by now. 

Just now, cfcforeverfan said:

stop the excuse ffs

losign 8/10 games is unacceptable no matter how you put it, stop it, get some help

We were never getting top 4 this season, squad isn't good enough whoever the manager was. Stop being so bloody short term.

Who cares if we finish 7 or 10, no bloody difference.

Just now, jack_super_class said:

We were never getting top 4 this season, squad isn't good enough whoever the manager was. Stop being so bloody short term.

Who cares if we finish 7 or 10, no bloody difference.

it makes no difference if we finish 7 or 10 sure but it will be a big difference if we finished 18th

and this is going to happen if we dont act soon

and no real fans want to watch their team lose every f**king single week let me remind you 

1 minute ago, Dubair said:

Of course he has been unlucky with injuries but so is every manager at some point in time, the team out tonight was still far better than Fulham (minus their star man) and yet we still lost.

I’d be willing to give him time if there was even the slightest hint of something positive but there’s not, we look beyond toothless in attack and not solid defensively either. He’s chopping and changing the players and formation every single game and then reaching for quadruple substitution as a Hail Mary with 15 mins to go.

Stinks of someone who hasn’t a clue and looks like he’s lost most of the players and fans by now. 

We lost because we have a crap GK, not on Potter

New player on debut getting sent off

Azpi who is pas it, not on Potter

CM problems, not on Potter

Havertz and Auba are2 CF both horrible, not on Potter.

No creativity, Potter trying to solve this by signing Felix.

Most of these problems we had under TT too.

 

5 minutes ago, jack_super_class said:

TT in 2022 was taking us backwards. He had transfer windows to fix problems and he never did. No singed no DM, no creator no backup RB and had us winning less home games than Leicester. Dont forget the boring football and constantly playing players out of position. Man profiled Gallagher as a like for like for Kante.

Potter has had loads of injuries, no pre season, average squad and a world cup. He just signed his 2nd first team player and he was our best player tonight. Give him time. Hiring and firing managers is one of the reasons we are in this mess.

And Tuchel had as many injuries, Covid, sanctions, ESL, new owners, new directors, new technical directors and loads of other things to deal with as well.

You look a bit stupid rambling on about excuses for Potter and then slam Tuchel for finishing 3rd in 2022 when he could have had a lot to complain about as well. Had Tuchel had us in 10th in January I wouldn't defend him either but he was better than that.

And players out of position is a bit funny. I'm not sure but haven't we seen Pulisic, Sterling, Gallagher, among others at wingback so far this season? Yes we have.

Edited January 12, 20233 yr by OriginalS

It's about timing, No point in sacking him now, apart from giving the media more stories to write about Chelsea. Let's hope we don't get dragged into the relegation fight and needs a Big SAM or Pullis to save us with 8 games to go.

 

Just now, icecoolguy22 said:

It's about timing, No point in sacking him now, apart from giving the media more stories to write about Chelsea. Let's hope we don't get dragged into the relegation fight and needs a Big SAM or Pullis to save us with 8 games to go.

 

8 defeats in 10. We are in a relegation fight especially with half the squad is busy in the treatment room

3 minutes ago, jack_super_class said:

We lost because we have a crap GK, not on Potter

Potter has managed us for 19 games.  We've won 3 were Kepa wasn't man of the match

I don't rate our keepers but we're getting battered every single game either losing or needing our keeper to bail us out.

It's not good enough.

3 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

And Tuchel had as many injuries, Covid, sanctions, ESL, new owners, new directors, new technical directors and loads of other things to deal with as well.

You look a bit stupid rambling on about excuses for Potter and then slam Tuchel for finishing 3rd in 2022 when he could have had a lot to complain about as well. Had Tuchel had us in 10th in January I wouldn't defend him either but he was better than that.

And players out of position is a bit funny. I'm not sure but haven't we seen Pulisic, Sterling, Gallagher, among others at wingback so far this season? Yes we have.

Exactly the double standards between how Tuchel and Potter are viewed are ridiculous. 

2 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

And Tuchel had as many injuries, Covid, sanctions, ESL, new owners, new directors, new technical directors and loads of other things to deal with as well.

You look a bit stupid rambling on about excuses for Potter and then slam Tuchel for finishing 3rd in 2022 when he could have had a lot to complain about as well.

And players out of position is a bit funny. I'm not sure but haven't we seen Pulisic, Sterling, Gallagher, among others at wingback so far this season? Yes we have.

You comparing a manager whose had 2 preseasons and transfer window to solves problems to a manager whose had 16 games.

I never wanted TT sacked I just find this narrative he was doing such a wonderful job funny, he wasn't. When are people going to realise the average squad we have is the biggest problem, not the manager.

Potter is also competing VS Newcastle, Man Utd and Arsenal who are all much better this season.

2 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

And Tuchel had as many injuries

Actually I don't think he did.

I think counting them up we are at 11 first team squad players out injured now? And the latest casualty Zakaria, is going to be a major blow based on the consistent level of his midfield performances so far.

16 minutes ago, jack_super_class said:

He has many injuries, just signed his second first team player and he was our best player before sending off.

Give him sometime ffs.

How long?  We have 20 games left to save the season. 

How long should he be given? 

2 minutes ago, jack_super_class said:

I never wanted TT sacked I just find this narrative he was doing such a wonderful job funny, he wasn't. When are people going to realise the average squad we have is the biggest problem, not the manager.

Ok but surely if the squad is so average getting 4th from a poor position when he took over +  a Champions League title and then 3rd the next season with a ton of major challenges then he did do a wonderful job?

 

1 minute ago, jack_super_class said:

You comparing a manager whose had 2 preseasons and transfer window to solves problems to a manager whose had 16 games.

I never wanted TT sacked I just find this narrative he was doing such a wonderful job funny, he wasn't. When are people going to realise the average squad we have is the biggest problem, not the manager.

Potter is also competing VS Newcastle, Man Utd and Arsenal who are all much better this season.

Won the champions league with this sh*t squad, outcoaching the likes of Zidane, Simeone and Guardiola. Dragged us from 9th into the top 4 first season, easily got top 4 in the 2nd season, despite a huge injury crisis, massive instability around the club and having to compete on every single front in 4 cups. A dodgy VAR decision away from an FA cup in his first season, a few penality kicks away from a League and FA Cup double in his 2nd season, along with winning our first ever Club World Cup. Before Lukaku went off the rails and the injury crisis we even looked like we could win the Prem. In the Champions League we only lost to the eventual winners in extra time after battering them all game.

 

He didn't just do a wonderful job, he did an incredible job, and sacking him was one of the most stupid decisions this club have ever made.

4 minutes ago, Deino said:

How long?  We have 20 games left to save the season. 

How long should he be given? 

Easily into next season. You think a new manager is going to solve this team? Kai Havertz has been ass for 3 managers now.

Hiring and firing managers has not helped us challenge fora league title in 6 seasons now. But lets keep doing the same thing.

Just now, jack_super_class said:

Easily into next season. You think a new manager is going to solve this team? Kai Havertz has been ass for 3 managers now.

Hiring and firing managers has not helped us challenge fora league title in 6 seasons now. But lets keep doing the same thing.

Even if we get relegated? 

6 minutes ago, just said:

Actually I don't think he did.

I think counting them up we are at 11 first team squad players out injured now? And the latest casualty Zakaria, is going to be a major blow based on the consistent level of his midfield performances so far.

Pretty sure he did at some point. I know we had the most injuries of all teams in the Premier League at least.

But yes, the injuries are terrible now. But there are things that can be done out there on the pitch and nothing is happening.
It's also only after the last couple of games the injury list have grown to 11. We must have lost four or five players since City at home and we have been extremely poor a whole lot longer than that.

 

33 minutes ago, Dubair said:

Unfortunately he has them performing like relegation candidates. No one would be calling for his head if they were performing average. 

1 loan signing is our best midfielder and another is our best attacker. Sounds like relegation candidates to me... 

But on a serious note, it would be utterly stupid to sack him now. If there is any serious threat of relegation, sure. But otherwise he, like any other manager, deserves to show what he can do with a full squad and some time. 

Understand the media backing this guy but don't get it with the fans. What has this guy ever achieved to warrant any support or hope his win ratio is bang average if not very poor for him to be managing a top tier club. All hype and sound bites where as on the field he's been schooled by every manager in the league

4 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Ok but surely if the squad is so average getting 4th from a poor position when he took over +  a Champions League title and then 3rd the next season with a ton of major challenges then he did do a wonderful job?

 

CL win papered over the cracks, the league form under him that season was average, we got top 4 only because Spurs helped us beat Leicester while we lost to Villa.

League form is a much better way to judge quality, not knock out cup competitions. You dont have to be the best team to win a knock out cup competition.

TT football wasn't sustainable. keep sheets to win games and loads of possession, Once the clean sheets stopped TT had no answers. We couldn't keep relying on sheets and goals from defenders.

4 minutes ago, Deino said:

Even if we get relegated? 

We wont

3 minutes ago, Blue72 said:

Understand the media backing this guy but don't get it with the fans. What has this guy ever achieved to warrant any support or hope his win ratio is bang average if not very poor for him to be managing a top tier club. All hype and sound bites where as on the field he's been schooled by every manager in the league

The guy who is currently top of the league has been a manager for like 4 seasons now and finished 7th twice.

Potter has a better CV than him.

Should we appoint R.Martinez because he won a FA cup with Wigan right? its a trophy after all and thats all that matters.

1 minute ago, jack_super_class said:

We wont

I'll be holding on to that. 

Just now, jack_super_class said:

CL win papered over the cracks, the league form under him that season was average, we got top 4 only because Spurs helped us beat Leicester while we lost to Villa.

League form is a much better way to judge quality, not knock out cup competitions. You dont have to be the best team to win a knock out cup competition.

TT football wasn't sustainable. keep sheets to win games and loads of possession, Once the clean sheets stopped TT had no answers. We couldn't keep relying on sheets and goals from defenders.

We were the 2nd best team in the league during his 1st season, 38 points from 19 games would've averaged out to a 76 point season. That's with 0 pre season, inheriting a team in free fall and going all the way in the FA Cup and Champions League.

If league form was a better way to judge quality why hasn't Guardiola won a Champions League yet? Some managers are better at putting smaller teams to the sword which results in league success, like Conte or Guardiola. Other managers are better at shutting down the big teams and winning cups, like Tuchel. Personally I don't mind finishing top 4 every year knowing we have a chance of winning every other trophy, and can outplay any team in Europe on our day.

3 minutes ago, jack_super_class said:

CL win papered over the cracks, the league form under him that season was average, we got top 4 only because Spurs helped us beat Leicester while we lost to Villa.

League form is a much better way to judge quality, not knock out cup competitions. You dont have to be the best team to win a knock out cup competition.

1.95 PPG is not average, certainly not considering the circumstances with taking over a team that looked completely hopeless. That is a 75 point season which is almost always good enough for Top 4.

So you are wide off the mark here.