11 minutes ago, Deino said:

Because it's Tuchel, even in the worst run last year, we still had a dog in the fight. Almost 20 games under Potter and everyone has lost spirit.  

If 1 or 2 players can't hack it, that's at least understandable. Nobody is playing for him. He had to hold a "meeting" between senior players of which shouldn't really be here next year anyway. It's beyond pathetic how we cling to incompetency for the sake of "2 year project"

Potter had that meeting so he can shed himself of responsibility. He doesn't have the ego or the ambition to be a top manager. Should have never been appointed in the first place, but it's too late now.

It's all on Boehly though, and the situation will get worse as long as he's a big part of the club. We look like a joke.

What no one is looking forward to making history once more and taking a crack at the Championship title?!?

23 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

What no one is looking forward to making history once more and taking a crack at the Championship title?!?

I was looking forward to the Europa Conference League trophy, we haven't won it all, you see. Give me time to overcome that disappoint @axman2526 !

1 hour ago, OriginalS said:

Tuchel never had us worried about getting bloody relegated. The situations aren't remotely similar.

I was responding to someone implying that "Potter stans" were somehow negative on Tuchel and there's a double standard happening. I don't think they are similar and I think that 90% of Chelsea fans wanted to keep Tuchel and only 50% want to keep Potter. 

1 hour ago, Deino said:

And waste money, time and players on a manager that can't hack it? Come on now, Potter himself can't muster the anger, rage and belief in himself to fight for his career, why do we need to give him more chances to fail? 

By end of February, he'd be having 90% of the full squad, of which he'll then chop and change some more until injuries hit and the cycle begins again. 

Well my personal view is that the football world and the Chelsea fanbase is divided.

I'd rather we let the story play out so we aren't seen as a circus who don't give managers time and instead a club who does give managers time to succeed but also to fail. 

You assume Potter won't get a full team of players that he trusts winning games. But you can't know that. I want to know that before we spend a sh*t tonne of money and damage our reputation on sacking him. 

Nope give him more time. Sack him and we end up with someone like Pochettino.

We currently have an injury crisis unlike any club has ever seen before. A new medical department if more important. Give any manager this team without Reece, Chilly and Kante and they'll struggle. 

10 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Nope give him more time. Sack him and we end up with someone like Pochettino.

We currently have an injury crisis unlike any club has ever seen before. A new medical department if more important. Give any manager this team without Reece, Chilly and Kante and they'll struggle. 

There is definitely a part of me that doesn't want to sack Potter because I can't stand the idea of Poch being our manager. 

I was surprised Tuchel got chopped, although the team had problems and there was a lot of moaning. Players like Werner were in a hurry to leave. 

I was even more surprised when Potter got the job, there was nothing in his track record beyond a few very minor league successes. But I could understand the thinking behind the appointment. 

The squad is not as bad as it seems, even with the injuries.there is a lack of confidence, a lack of system and I think the players now don’t trust the manager.  Managers do matter, nowhere near as much as players but they do matter. Look at Newcastle, their squad is hardly different to when Howe got the job but their defence is now excellent. 

if you sack Potter, and there is for sure a case for it, who gets the job? I don’t see anyone obvious. I wish we had Conte wringing and all, but we don’t. Poch, no thanks. 

‘The team needs some on field leadership, right now it’s just 11 random people running round. 
 

1 hour ago, bisright1 said:

There is definitely a part of me that doesn't want to sack Potter because I can't stand the idea of Poch being our manager. 

Luis Enrique?

16 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Luis Enrique?

You mean the guy whose only success in management at one point was managing a mid table la Liga side to the relatively lofty heights of a top 10 finish and then was appointed Barcelona manager where he looked completely out of his depth by January and was on the brink of the sack until he somehow managed to turn it around? 

Sounds familiar 🤣

Edited January 13, 20233 yr by bisright1

Name the last manager with Zero personality that won the league?  Pep, Klopp, Ferguson, Jose, Conte, Wenger? or maybe Kenny the Red at Blackburn?

None, -  Potter has no fire, no personality, no charisma and those chaps never win the league or anything else.  No inspiration for the squad = no inspiration on the pitch.

 

 

3 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Nope give him more time. Sack him and we end up with someone like Pochettino.

We currently have an injury crisis unlike any club has ever seen before. A new medical department if more important. Give any manager this team without Reece, Chilly and Kante and they'll struggle. 

I don't get comments like this given Pochettino is indisputably a better manager than Potter and our injury prone squad have just brought Potter the best 19 game run of results of his career in English football, at no point in his Brighton career did Potter win 8 out of 19 games. 

I'm not sure if it's the consistent PR he gets from his mates in the media but I feel Like a lot of people feel Potters record is a lot a better than it is.

What concerns me is with Villa winning today they're now level on points with us, Unai Emery took over in November and has won more than half his games seeing Villa rise up the table.  He's not had time or a window and his squad is dogsh*t but like Poch he's indisputably a better manager than Potter, their records show it so I wouldn't expect us to be able to compete with Villa this season or next season because their coach is a couple tiers above ours.

It's not like replacing prime Jose or Tuchel it's actually hard to find a manager in the premier league with a worse record than Potter.

Edited January 13, 20233 yr by TimesUpPotter

8 hours ago, Nibs said:

It does seem incredible to even be discussing it. But I look at the table and we are currently 10 points above Everton and West Ham who are in the drop zone. You could argue we are in worse form than either of those and have a lot worse injuries. Even bottom club Southampton have beaten us and beat City this week.

You always look at relegation and think there are at least three sides worse than you so you should be okay. Right now, I'm not sure I can say that. Yes, sides might look worse on paper, but they have a bit more bottle and fight about them than we appear to have.

I won't take anything for granted until it is mathematically impossible for us to go down. And to think it wasn't that along ago we were talking about what a disaster it would be to miss out on top 4!!

 

It’s absolute nonsense. I don’t know where this garbage has come from that relegation is even a possibility. I’m actually embarrassed that it’s being discussed on here. Yes our form is terrible, but even if you look at a form table of our last 6 games which really is about as bad as we can do, we’re 16th in that. Our worst football we can play wouldn’t get us relegated. We’re not getting relegated.

3 minutes ago, TimesUpPotter said:

I don't get comments like this given Pochettino is indisputably a better manager than Potter and our injury prone squad have just brought Potter the best 19 game run of results of his career in English football, at no point in his Brighton career did Potter win 8 out of 19 games.

 

Winning games at brighton and chelsea aren’t comparable at all. A pretty crazy comment to be honest. Look at the budget of our squad and brighton’s squad. 

Matt Law in today's Telegraph

 

Chelsea’s underperforming stars are facing a fight for their futures with the club’s owners planning to overhaul the squad and end the era of player power at Stamford Bridge.

While previous owner Roman Abramovich repeatedly backed Chelsea’s players over his managers, the Todd Boehly-Clearlake Capital ownership are desperate for head coach Graham Potter to turn around the alarming slump and succeed.

Telegraph Sport has been told that the possibility of sacking head coach Potter has not even been discussed internally ahead of Sunday’s game against Crystal Palace, but it is understood Chelsea will consider a squad clear-out if results and performances do not dramatically improve.

Such a move would be backed by the fans who waited for Potter outside Craven Cottage after the latest defeat to Fulham and shouted ‘Don’t give up, keep the faith. Change the squad, they’re the problem’.

Any overhaul could include signing Joao Felix permanently at the end of the season if the forward builds on his highly encouraging display before being sent-off against Fulham, while there is also interest this month in Borussia Monchengladbach striker Marcus Thuram and PSV Eindhoven winger Noni Madueke.

Ziyech, Pulisic and Havertz face uncertain futures

There is no option or obligation for Chelsea to buy Felix in his loan agreement until the end of the season, but the club are confident they will be able to sign him permanently from Atlético Madrid should they wish to.

Just as important as new signings will be player sales, but Chelsea’s biggest issue will be finding buyers and interested clubs for the highly-paid stars they are willing to sell and loan out.

Expensive signings such as Hakim Ziyech, Christian Pulisic and Kai Havertz are facing uncertain futures, while, as revealed this week by Telegraph Sport, Jorginho may be allowed to leave when his contract expires and interest in captain Cesar Azpilicueta could be considered.

There is also the possibility of Chelsea cutting their losses on defender Kalidou Koulibaly if an offer arrives from Italy, while the club are unlikely to stand in Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang’s way if he decides he wants to return to Spain or move elsewhere.

Chelsea owners looking to reduce wage bill

The Boehly-Clearlake owners have been trying to rebalance Chelsea’s wage bill since taking over the club and that will continue as more new players arrive and others depart.

Ideally, Chelsea want a first-team dressing-room of players who are all on similar basic wages with the possibility of earning lucrative bonuses for meeting personal and team goals.

Chelsea have been open to offers for Ziyech this month, but the club’s enormous injury list means that Potter cannot afford to lose too many players and is likely to delay the bulk of an attempted clear-out until the summer.

That gives players such as Havertz and Pulisic, whose injury ruled out any prospect of a January move, time to try to prove they are worth keeping, but the impending arrival of forward Christopher Nkunku and the loan signing of Felix have placed big question marks against their futures.

While Chelsea are optimistic of agreeing new contracts with N'Golo Kanté and Mason Mount, both of whom they want to keep, there has been no significant progress on a new deal for Jorginho amid a feeling he is more likely to leave the club than stay.

The likelihood is currently that Jorginho will leave when his contract expires at the end of the season, although Chelsea might entertain bids this month if they are successful in their pursuit of a new midfielder.

Fernández and Caicedo remain transfer targets

Chelsea have not ruled out making a second bid for Benfica’s Enzo Fernández, while Brighton & Hove Albion’s Moises Caicedo remains on the club’s radar this month.

Azpilicueta turned down strong interest from Barcelona to sign a new two-year contract last summer, but Chelsea are unlikely to stand in the 33-year-old’s way again if he receives another offer at the end of this season.

Despite only moving to Chelsea at the end of the last transfer window, Aubameyang is already thought to be concerned over his place in the squad, having been relegated to the substitutes’ bench.

Clubs in Spain, including Barcelona and Atlético Madrid, have already expressed an interest in signing him at the end of the season, while he would be able to move to America’s MLS or the Middle East this month, either on loan or permanently.

1 minute ago, BedfordBlue said:

Winning games at brighton and chelsea aren’t comparable at all. A pretty crazy comment to be honest. Look at the budget of our squad and brighton’s squad. 

Exactly my point, so why does a single top half finish and a 28% win rate in the premier league over 3 years at Brighton qualify Potter for the Chelsea job?

Tony Pulis, Big Sam, Roy Hodgson, Alan Pardew and even Steve Bruce pre Newcastle all got better results at smaller clubs with smaller budgets than Potter over the last decade, did anyone want any of them to manage us? To take over from Jose or Ancelotti? Probably not

So why Potter?

8 minutes ago, TimesUpPotter said:

I don't get comments like this given Pochettino is indisputably a better manager than Potter 

It's not always about who is better, it's about who you want to be the manager of your club.

I won't love Poch.

Its like being a passenger on the Titanic being a Chelsea fan now, Potter is the new ship's captain and we've just left Ireland and are heading for colder/ iceberg infested waters !! Don't forget your lifejackets.

Just now, bisright1 said:

It's not always about who is better, it's about who you want to be the manager of your club.

I won't love Poch.

That's fair enough but why would you or anyone else love Potter?

I don't want to criticise the mans personality as when you win 1 game a month and regularly go double digits without wins there's plenty to criticise but even ignoring the fact he's the worst manager we've had in decades he's hardly an endearing character that really connects with the supporters is he? We've had some big characters and personalities in the dugout and guys with fire in their belies who made you really want to listen to their press conferences and connect with the club even when we weren't playing well.

Potter is a cup of cold piss in comparison it's incredibly demoralising and demotivating to see him as the face of the club he comes across as a natural loser. I suppose like a Guy who won 28% of his league games at his previous club rather than having the ego and pride of a winner like most of our previous coaches but given they all came with better resumes than Potter it isn't really a surprise.  Other than Lampard of course but he certainly had the winning mentality that fit the the club even if he was otherwise lacking.

On 12/01/2023 at 17:03, Drogba1 said:

People were asking for a 2nd poll so I figured I'd see if the results have changed.

No.

Not yet.

9 minutes ago, TimesUpPotter said:

That's fair enough but why would you or anyone else love Potter?

I don't want to criticise the mans personality as when you win 1 game a month and regularly go double digits without wins there's plenty to criticise but even ignoring the fact he's the worst manager we've had in decades he's hardly an endearing character that really connects with the supporters is he? We've had some big characters and personalities in the dugout and guys with fire in their belies who made you really want to listen to their press conferences and connect with the club even when we weren't playing well.

Potter is a cup of cold piss in comparison it's incredibly demoralising and demotivating to see him as the face of the club he comes across as a natural loser. I suppose like a Guy who won 28% of his league games at his previous club rather than having the ego and pride of a winner like most of our previous coaches but given they all came with better resumes than Potter it isn't really a surprise.  Other than Lampard of course but he certainly had the winning mentality that fit the the club even if he was otherwise lacking.

If Potter takes us back to the top table. Then yes I will love him. 

2 hours ago, bisright1 said:

You mean the guy whose only success in management at one point was managing a mid table la Liga side to the relatively lofty heights of a top 10 finish and then was appointed Barcelona manager where he looked completely out of his depth by January and was on the brink of the sack until he somehow managed to turn it around? 

Sounds familiar 🤣

Ah yeah good point 😂, unfortunately Potter doesn't have MSN to bail him out

35 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

It's not always about who is better, it's about who you want to be the manager of your club.

I won't love Poch.

If we did the double over Tottenham with Poch in charge it'd be pretty funny though, that would win me over

26 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Ah yeah good point 😂, unfortunately Potter doesn't have MSN to bail him out

Well Madueke and Nkunku can fill two of those letters. Just got to find an S. 

2 hours ago, TimesUpPotter said:

Exactly my point, so why does a single top half finish and a 28% win rate in the premier league over 3 years at Brighton qualify Potter for the Chelsea job?

Tony Pulis, Big Sam, Roy Hodgson, Alan Pardew and even Steve Bruce pre Newcastle all got better results at smaller clubs with smaller budgets than Potter over the last decade, did anyone want any of them to manage us? To take over from Jose or Ancelotti? Probably not

So why Potter?

I agree with you but I expect the reasoning was that Potter was expected to bring a more scientific approach compared to the names you mention and that he had considerably improved brighton by the time he left and on those grounds would eventually do well with Chelsea. However if you have star players, and you need them to win comps then the the players will have player power and you need a manager they will follow and believe in. 

4 hours ago, Scott said:

Name the last manager with Zero personality that won the league?  Pep, Klopp, Ferguson, Jose, Conte, Wenger? or maybe Kenny the Red at Blackburn?

None, -  Potter has no fire, no personality, no charisma and those chaps never win the league or anything else.  No inspiration for the squad = no inspiration on the pitch.

 

 

I've seen people fry an egg with more ambition than Pecan Potter coaches a PL match.

I don't know why but his personality reminds me of someone who just walked out of bible study.