2 hours ago, Mod said:

What were the actual words she said then? I've only seen the bodycam footage!

Heya - been a while - hope this finds you well.

I don't have access to the full hearing transcript but this article is revealing:

https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/its-fing-scary-the-heartsinking-reality-revealed-by-kerrs-full-police-tape/news-story/1ca884f63e68482f1a6ca648d39d7b87

Had the whole 34 minute police tape been released a long time ago then some holier than thou opinionistas may not have embarrassed themselves as they have done. Some of those will own up to being "had" whereas others...

31 minutes ago, Jezz said:

No apology required. She behaved like an entitled brat when she was pulled up on her behaviour.

Let's not forget she was intoxicated on the night of these events. Hardly a good example of how a role model and professional footballer should behave.

After seeing the initial bodycam footage last week, I was hardly alone in my sentiments. Many people (including here on this forum) were saying the same thing based on the information being provided at the time.

Oh dear...disingenuous deflection. First, she was not charged with being "intoxicated" or being "an entitled brat". You're the arbiter of role modelry are you? And then you resort to the bandwagon fallacy. An apology, if warranted, and done with timely grace shows the mark of a person. Conversely...

2 minutes ago, youlots said:

Oh dear...disingenuous deflection. First, she was not charged with being "intoxicated" or being "an entitled brat". You're the arbiter of role modelry are you? And then you resort to the bandwagon fallacy. An apology, if warranted, and done with timely grace shows the mark of a person. Conversely...

I don't care what you think. You don't know me.

I never said she was charged for being "intoxicated" or being "an entitled brat".

Hello @youlots It's been a while!

While I don't doubt the taxi incident was scary for Sam and Kristie as the article suggests, I am having trouble understanding how that would constitute racism used against the officer and that being ok because she was just put through a scary situation! I get her being mad that the officer was having trouble understanding, but then call him a chunt or something similar! Sam isn't racist but using that as a slur against him to be edgy is very dodgy ground!

Regarding her football, I think it's time she was moved on! It feels like the team has pushed on somewhat and since Ramirez came in, I don't think Sam has been missed (albeit with Ramirez's out injured against Barca last season) She loves the club but would hate if she waltzed straight into the team over Ramirez or Aggie!

 

I just read about this - all a bit bloody weird:

1. Do taxi's driver have the right to lock the doors and drive passengers to the nearest police station if they don't pay or something?
2. Do the Police have the right to change their story, a year after the event, and try to fit someone up with a racist charge like they seemed to have done here?

She's obviously been a bit stupid and behaved poorly but it does seem like the Police, had nothing to charge her with, so they tried to get her on the racist comment... which was, to me at least, said in a tongue in cheek way.

And PC Lovell ... jeez... knowing they'd obviously had a few, it was like he's trying to bait them into doing or saying something more stupid so he could clock another offence up on his chart or something?

oops...

Edited February 12, 20251 yr by Bebe1980

I know this is getting away from Sam and certainly football, but I've just read an article in the Guardian about this and how it talks about how any woman in a taxi or even walking home would understand the panic that Sam and Kristie felt in a locked taxi. And it goes on to mention anyone in the LGBTQ+ community would also understand this fear. And it also references male white privilege.

I absolutely do not refute in any way that all women and LGBTQ+ people can experience fear in situations like taking taxis or walking home alone, or even with a partner or friend. But the two things it doesn't mention is that not 100% of perpetrators will be white males and that white males do not enjoy 100% safety and comfort when travelling around alone at night. I myself was once set about for no reason by some white lads on my way in a residential area. I expect that percentage wise, white males may not be the highest number of victims in society, but I also expect that the number of straight white males assaulted or threatened is not insignificant.

Basically, there's a significant number of nutters out there who will attack people, including straight white males.

21 minutes ago, Snedger said:

I know this is getting away from Sam and certainly football, but I've just read an article in the Guardian about this and how it talks about how any woman in a taxi or even walking home would understand the panic that Sam and Kristie felt in a locked taxi. And it goes on to mention anyone in the LGBTQ+ community would also understand this fear. And it also references male white privilege.

I absolutely do not refute in any way that all women and LGBTQ+ people can experience fear in situations like taking taxis or walking home alone, or even with a partner or friend. But the two things it doesn't mention is that not 100% of perpetrators will be white males and that white males do not enjoy 100% safety and comfort when travelling around alone at night. I myself was once set about for no reason by some white lads on my way in a residential area. I expect that percentage wise, white males may not be the highest number of victims in society, but I also expect that the number of straight white males assaulted or threatened is not insignificant.

Basically, there's a significant number of nutters out there who will attack people, including straight white males.

Without wishing to get embroiled in something that i don' t have a lot of information about other than what i have read so far, it looks a lot to my like trying to introduce a rationalisation for fear after the event and out of context.

All reputable taxis have locking mechanisms on the doors now, it is widely known and is identifiable upon entering the cab. In a city has heavy populated and busy as London it is necessary if only to reduce the number of people absconding from people and disappearing into the crowds. If Sam and her partner or indeed anybody has any objections to travelling in this manner due to any medical, religious, political or sexual concerns then don't use this method of transport.

As i read it they had honked in the taxi and was escorted to the police station after refusing to make good on the damages incurred. If this is the case i cannot see anything that the taxi drive has done wrong in trying to earn his living.

The abuse levelled at the police office is a matter compounding the overall issue, whether it is proven to be racially aggravated or not.   I confess to being a little surprised by the verdict as i have often felt a decent yardstick to us is reversing the situation or comment to see how it would then be viewed.

As the club and media tell us routinely we are united against all forms of discrimination.

Comments by Football Australia on the Sam Kerr case.

https://news.sky.com/story/football-australia-will-reflect-with-sam-kerr-after-not-guilty-verdict-13307674

As the article states Football Australia will reflect with Sam on what happened.

I know a taxi driver. When I next see him, I'll check what the rulings are on locked doors.

Edit: @WhiteWall Have just read your post on travelling in taxis.

@Mod As you mentioned, should Sam get back into the team given the performances by Ramirez, Aggie etc irrespective of the outcome of Sam's case. I don't know. Guess that's up to Sonia and the club.

Edited February 12, 20251 yr by Boyne

For those wondering, she was found "Not Guilty" as the jury were convinced she used that language to express the white privleage the officer had as opposed to anything malicious. 

Pretty sure locking anyone in anywhere against their will is unlawful imprisonment.

Maybe the case needs to go to the highest authority; The FA can still find her guilty going off their previous standards…

16 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

I confess to being a little surprised by the verdict as i have often felt a decent yardstick to us is reversing the situation or comment to see how it would then be viewed.

This is not a logical yardstick because at no point in history have white people been discriminated against solely on the basis of their skin colour or race. There is no insult to calling someone "white", in the same way there is no insult to calling someone "rich". If you call someone a fat, rich bastard, it's the fat bastard that's meant to cause offence. Conversely, if you call someone a "stupid black bastard" there is every intention of the three words being insulting.

Kerr, in this instance, clearly referred to the officer's race (and his alleged intellect) as a reason as to why he was apparently acting the way he was. That isn't an insult, it's merely stating an opinion based. No one should lose reptuation because they called out someone else abusing their authority and privilege.

On 06/02/2025 at 16:29, Jezz said:

Her reputation has taken a hit among the wider Australian public.

Many have been left unimpressed by her actions after the bodycam footage was released.

Entitled, arrogant and racist against white people is some of the characterizations to describe her.

It has taken a hit for readers of the Daily Mail and other Murdoch media who are emboldened in their racism by a person who dared to speak out. "Racist against white people" is a dumb, tired and illogical concept.

It absolutely has not taken a hit in the wider public. Many, if not most people, are supportive of Kerr's actions, because they realise (especially after the release of the bodycam footage) that it was a person defending their partner and their liberty against overreach. 

I am unsure what the law in the UK is but failing to pay an additional charge to a taxi is not a crime in Australia, it is a civil contractual dispute.

No one actually cares about Kerr being drunk, or argumentative, or whatever. What she did pales in comparison to what our rugby and AFL footballers (including her own brother, lol) do on a weekly basis.

1 hour ago, SydneyChelsea said:

"Racist against white people" is a dumb, tired and illogical concept.

That's quite an offensive statement to white people who have been racially abused!

1 hour ago, SydneyChelsea said:

This is not a logical yardstick because at no point in history have white people been discriminated against solely on the basis of their skin colour or race.

That is even more offensive!

How? Genuinely asking, when in history were white people discriminated against solely on the basis of their skin colour?

How far back in history do you want to go Syd? You know white people were also taken as slaves too?

14 minutes ago, Mod said:

How far back in history do you want to go Syd? You know white people were also taken as slaves too?

As far as you want. Being Australian I'm well aware of the contributions of Irish convict-slaves to our history and society, and the systematic marginalisation of Irish and other European immigrants well into the 1970s here.

But, they weren't forced into slavery because they were white though, that's the difference. Nor was their marginalisation based on their skin colour. 

Well here is a good start…https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_slavery

If looking for something more recently, look up Rotherham Grooming Gangs! This still happens in many areas of the UK and recently been news where Kier Starmer wouldn’t open an investigation into it!

Also, I know of white people that grew up around London that were often racially abused because of their skin colour!

I don’t see how people can celebrate Sam being not guilty after blatantly racially abusing a police officer! I wonder if the same people were as accommodating to Fernandez with the coach song!

4 hours ago, Mod said:

Well here is a good start…https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_slavery

If looking for something more recently, look up Rotherham Grooming Gangs! This still happens in many areas of the UK and recently been news where Kier Starmer wouldn’t open an investigation into it!

I think we are talking past each other a bit because neither of those examples demonstrate where someone has been enslaved because they are white. Europeans were enslaved as spoils of war by Arabic and other invaders, and traded as slaves between 'white' nations and other ones. The same thing happened in Africa, except they were also enslaved purely because they were a different colour and viewed as therefore not having the same rights as white people. 

The same applies to the Rotherham grooming gangs (disgusting btw, appalling that there is no additional investigation), the girls were being groomed because then men are disgusting and took advantage of their vulnerability, but it seems they targeted both white and non-white children so I'm not sure how it is a race thing.

4 hours ago, Mod said:

Also, I know of white people that grew up around London that were often racially abused because of their skin colour!

I don't dispute that, but did it have any effect beyond being insulted for looking different? For example, were they systematically prevented from accessing certain things because of the colour of their skin? 

4 hours ago, Mod said:

I don’t see how people can celebrate Sam being not guilty after blatantly racially abusing a police officer! I wonder if the same people were as accommodating to Fernandez with the coach song!

Well the thing is, the jury found that she simply didn't racially abuse the officer. It wasn't a legal technicality or some mealy-mouthed decision. 

I was certainly not accomodating to Fernandez for his promulgation of racism and transphobia, and I still think it's disgusting that he was made captain.

On 11/02/2025 at 21:57, youlots said:

Took a snap poll did you mate?

Once the jury was presented with all the evidence (ie the whole truth) it was unsurprising that the jury voted unanimously for her acquittal:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/feb/11/sam-kerr-trial-how-a-drunken-night-revealed-questions-race-power-and-privilege-ntwnfb

Lessons to be learned: First, if you go out on a limb with an opinion that is solely based on an edited version of what occurred you will rightfully look a fool when all the facts come to light. Secondly, never trust the media to report all the testimony prior to a verdict. Why? It's in the business of selling controversy - that's how outlets make money. Or do you still think, given all the evidence, that Sam is "racist against white people" ? An apology from you to Sam is warranted.

Everyone has seen the video, what whole truth are you on about? 

Yes - the policeman only cared months later but we saw what she said and the intent of the words she used. 

On 12/02/2025 at 12:45, WhiteWall said:

Without wishing to get embroiled in something that i don' t have a lot of information about other than what i have read so far, it looks a lot to my like trying to introduce a rationalisation for fear after the event and out of context.

All reputable taxis have locking mechanisms on the doors now, it is widely known and is identifiable upon entering the cab. In a city has heavy populated and busy as London it is necessary if only to reduce the number of people absconding from people and disappearing into the crowds. If Sam and her partner or indeed anybody has any objections to travelling in this manner due to any medical, religious, political or sexual concerns then don't use this method of transport.

As i read it they had honked in the taxi and was escorted to the police station after refusing to make good on the damages incurred. If this is the case i cannot see anything that the taxi drive has done wrong in trying to earn his living.

The abuse levelled at the police office is a matter compounding the overall issue, whether it is proven to be racially aggravated or not.   I confess to being a little surprised by the verdict as i have often felt a decent yardstick to us is reversing the situation or comment to see how it would then be viewed.

As the club and media tell us routinely we are united against all forms of discrimination.

Had a white make Chelsea player called a black female police officer white and stupid, his contract would have been terminated immediately, regardless of court case, context, or external factors.

Pukers are taxi drivers worst nightmare. They cannot work again until the interior is valeted, and I would have thought they were validated in seeking compensation. 

Many years back we got in a minincab worse for wear. The driver told us “ anyone spews and it’ll cost you a hundred quid “

A couple of minutes later, I can see my mate starting to reach….he vomited inside his shirt which was tucked into his trousers. The driver chucked him out but we avoided the fine. Nice piece of improvisation 

 

 

Just now, Timmy Elms said:

Had a white male Chelsea player called a black female police officer black and stupid, his contract would have been terminated immediately, regardless of court case, context, or external factors.

Pukers are taxi drivers worst nightmare. They cannot work again until the interior is valeted, and I would have thought they were validated in seeking compensation. 

Many years back we got in a minincab worse for wear. The driver told us “ anyone spews and it’ll cost you a hundred quid “

A couple of minutes later, I can see my mate starting to reach….he vomited inside his shirt which was tucked into his trousers. The driver chucked him out but we avoided the fine. Nice piece of improvisation 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, Timmy Elms said:

 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Timmy Elms said:

Had a white make Chelsea player called a black female police officer white and stupid, his contract would have been terminated immediately, regardless of court case, context, or external factors.

Pukers are taxi drivers worst nightmare. They cannot work again until the interior is valeted, and I would have thought they were validated in seeking compensation. 

 

 

 

On 14/02/2025 at 04:03, SydneyChelsea said:

How? Genuinely asking, when in history were white people discriminated against solely on the basis of their skin colour?

Ever travelled to africa or asia? Lots of discrimination there. At one point I actually had a barber shop pull out a "white man price list".