12 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Nepotism can be the only reason he's still being chosen. Which SD was it we took from Brighton? Sack him immediately. Sack the one from Monaco too that brought with him tweedle dumb and tweedle daft. 

He was the one that actively pushed him out of Brighton. Sanchez was brought in as their 5th choice goalkeeper, had a golden run under Potter, and then imploded under De Zerbi.

Potter continually praised him for his distribution, composure and aerial skills; it seems that somewhere along the line, all that has evaporated.

12 hours ago, TheCeleryKing said:

One should not be having "shaky moments" when dealing with the threat of Morecombe.  Sanchex is not right for us, but Jorgensen [22]  is a kid and he is not the answer - as this game illustrated - he was having moments that were more than shaky.

Sanchez has shaky moments every game against every level of opponent? His actually lead to goals though. 

Sanchez has never once had a game as Jorgensen against Heidenheim. You've taken a single game to say Jorgensen isn't good enough while ignoring all his other games but will happily accept error after error for Sanchez. Beyond strange. 

Edited January 22, 20251 yr by Ukraine Bolt

2 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Not sure Kepa has had 124 appearances this season 😅

 

 

4 minutes ago, dkw said:

Not sure Kepa has had 124 appearances this season 😅

 

 

That's what makes it worse, this is Kepa's entire premier career against just this season for Sanchez.

1 minute ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

That's what makes it worse, this is Kepa's entire premier career against just this season for Sanchez.

Oh sh*t, I missed that ha ha....I would take Kepa back over that clown in a heartbeat, and I dont rate Kepa.

2 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Dare i throw an enabler into the mix 

4 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Sanchez has shaky moments every game against every level of opponent? His actually lead to goals though. 

Sanchez has never once had a game as Jorgensen against Heidenheim. You've taken a single game to say Jorgensen isn't good enough while ignoring all his other games but will happily accept error after error for Sanchez. Beyond strange. 

Beyond strange?  Really?  is it? Not really is it. Sanchez is not right for us and we all feel that we need a new keeper. BUT Jorgensen is not the answer. Not strange at all. Quite simple really. Simple and accurate.

9 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

Beyond strange?  Really?  is it? Not really is it. Sanchez is not right for us and we all feel that we need a new keeper. BUT Jorgensen is not the answer. Not strange at all. Quite simple really. Simple and accurate.

Yes, it is. We've watched Jorgensen have countless good games and even a world class game in Europe but you've surmised that he isn't good enough based on a single game in -2 degrees in which he kept a clean sheet that he couldn't possibly be an upgrade against a keeper that is costing us goals weekly? 

Like i said, really weird. We lose absolutely nothing giving him a run to prove himself as Sanchez as actively throwing the ball into his own net currently.  

Just now, Ukraine Bolt said:

Yes, it is. We've watched Jorgensen have countless good games and even a world class game in Europe but you've surmised that he isn't good enough based on a single game in -2 degrees in which he kept a clean sheet that he couldn't possibly be an upgrade against a keeper that is costing us goals weekly? 

Like i said, really weird. We lose absolutely nothing giving him a run to prove himself as Sanchez as actively throwing the ball into his own net currently.  

World class game in the Euro conference league? really. World class? Okay.
 

I have surmised he is not good enough - too young and not ready - he is 22.  His game against Morecambe was particularly bad - even he said so - but I am not surmising on one game.

2 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

World class game in the Euro conference league? really. World class? Okay.
 

I have surmised he is not good enough - too young and not ready - he is 22.  His game against Morecambe was particularly bad - even he said so - but I am not surmising on one game.

Age really shouldn't have anything to do with it. As the saying goes, if you're good enough, you're old enough. I know you're stating he isn't good enough, but the majority would still take him over Sanchez who is an absolute clown.

Actually think Cech was around 22 when he started playing for us. Oh for a keeper of that calibre again.

 

 

7 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

World class game in the Euro conference league? really. World class? Okay.
 

I have surmised he is not good enough - too young and not ready - he is 22.  His game against Morecambe was particularly bad - even he said so - but I am not surmising on one game.

Heidenheim are in Europe and he had a world class game, yes. 

Wolves are in a relegation battle and Sanchez is throwing the ball into his own net.

Do you see the difference? 

So what other games are you basing it off?

5 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

 based on a single game in -2 degrees

Was it too cold for him?  I didn't realise.  BUT He's Danish, the lad should be able to deal with the weather being a bit chilly. 

I like Jorgensen - good kid - but he is not ready to be our first choice GK. That is a simple fact.

 

1 minute ago, Nibs said:

Age really shouldn't have anything to do with it. As the saying goes, if you're good enough, you're old enough. I know you're stating he isn't good enough, but the majority would still take him over Sanchez who is an absolute clown.

Actually think Cech was around 22 when he started playing for us. Oh for a keeper of that calibre again.

Is that a saying?  Okay.

Just now, TheCeleryKing said:

Was it too cold for him?  I didn't realise.  BUT He's Danish, the lad should be able to deal with the weather being a bit chilly. 

I like Jorgensen - good kid - but he is not ready to be our first choice GK. That is a simple fact.

 

 

Is that a saying?  Okay.

Being from a specific country doesn't stop limbs going numb when you're inactive in minus temperatures. 

Sanchez is 27 and not ready to be our first choice GK, that much is blatantly obvious. 

Just now, Ukraine Bolt said:

Heidenheim are in Europe and he had a world class game, yes. 

Wolves are in a relegation battle and Sanchez is throwing the ball into his own net.

Do you see the difference? 

So what other games are you basing it off?

okay.

Maresca is the manager so hopefully he will hear your advice and make the change.

1 minute ago, TheCeleryKing said:

okay.

Maresca is the manager so hopefully he will hear your advice and make the change.

I think the only advice Maresca hears is that of the owners/SD's, hence why our best players get thrown out on loan/sold and we have one win in our last 5 league games. 

4 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Being from a specific country doesn't stop limbs going numb when you're inactive in minus temperatures.

Yeah, true. I mean he did have big gloves on, but yeah you are so right.

6 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

Yeah, true. I mean he did have big gloves on, but yeah you are so right.

haha. Keeper gloves are like bin liners these days, wouldn't recommend climbing any mountains wearing them for heat anytime soon!

1 hour ago, Nibs said:

Age really shouldn't have anything to do with it. As the saying goes, if you're good enough, you're old enough. I know you're stating he isn't good enough, but the majority would still take him over Sanchez who is an absolute clown.

Actually think Cech was around 22 when he started playing for us. Oh for a keeper of that calibre again.

 

 

We thought Petrovic "couldn't have been worse" last season and the end result was one of the worst keepers in all the major leagues.

I'm also longing for the day Sanchez is out of the team aswell, but when he is I want it to be for an actual upgrade not one we're trying to talk into one out of desperation.

Ironically this is where raiding Leicester could have actually worked out.

1 hour ago, Nibs said:

Age really shouldn't have anything to do with it. As the saying goes, if you're good enough, you're old enough. I know you're stating he isn't good enough, but the majority would still take him over Sanchez who is an absolute clown.

Actually think Cech was around 22 when he started playing for us. Oh for a keeper of that calibre again.

 

 

Its different with goalkeepers. Keepers generally improve with age and experience in particular situations. Positioning and reading of the game improves along with muscle memory improving technique. Makes you wonder what Sanchez must have been like as a youngster! Technically Donnarumma is still yet to reach his prime. Sanchez should be hitting his prime now 27-30 (although he has only just turned 27), which is concerning. These attributes are what is to be expected of someone Jorgensen's age.

20 minutes ago, Argo said:

We thought Petrovic "couldn't have been worse" last season and the end result was one of the worst keepers in all the major leagues.

I'm also longing for the day Sanchez is out of the team aswell, but when he is I want it to be for an actual upgrade not one we're trying to talk into one out of desperation.

Ironically this is where raiding Leicester could have actually worked out.

Granted Petrovic wasn't a keeper that a club with aspirations should be going for but he wasn't worse than Sanchez though - not sure where you're getting that from.

 

1 hour ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Being from a specific country doesn't stop limbs going numb when you're inactive in minus temperatures. 

Sanchez is 27 and not ready to be our first choice GK, that much is blatantly obvious. 

Could it be that you are both right. Sanchez is not ready or equipped to be the first choice GK of a club with ambitions to win titles and CLs (Therein lies another question).

Similarly, despite showing standard goalkeeping abilities in most of his matches against significantly lower standard opposition Jorgensen has shown little, if any, signs that he would be an improvement of what we currently have. Perhaps different specific failings being presented but still not ready to manage a young, inexperienced and haphazard defensive unit.

Just now, Nibs said:

Granted Petrovic wasn't a keeper that a club with aspirations should be going for but he wasn't worse than Sanchez though - not sure where you're getting that from.

 

Pretty much all the advanced/underlying metrics had him as one of the worst keepers (out of ones who played significant minutes) in the major leagues and by far our worst post Courtois keeper (yes even including 19/20 Kepa).

2 minutes ago, Argo said:

Pretty much all the advanced/underlying metrics had him as one of the worst keepers (out of ones who played significant minutes) in the major leagues and by far our worst post Courtois keeper (yes even including 19/20 Kepa).

I didn't get that impression watching us last season as our results were better in the second half of the season when Petrovic played. But perhaps that was in spite of him?

39 minutes ago, Argo said:

We thought Petrovic "couldn't have been worse" last season and the end result was one of the worst keepers in all the major leagues.

I'm also longing for the day Sanchez is out of the team aswell, but when he is I want it to be for an actual upgrade not one we're trying to talk into one out of desperation.

Ironically this is where raiding Leicester could have actually worked out.

Our form picked up exponentially when we dropped Sanchez btw. 

The team in general have much more confidence when they aren't completely terrified of the ball going back to the keeper. 

6 minutes ago, Argo said:

Pretty much all the advanced/underlying metrics had him as one of the worst keepers (out of ones who played significant minutes) in the major leagues and by far our worst post Courtois keeper (yes even including 19/20 Kepa).

And anyone that actually watched him knew that wasn't the case, or even close.