59 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Turn the sound up on your tv 👍

I'm hearing those even when the team is not winning either 😉

2 hours ago, petre ispirescu said:

If it's not about the results, how come there is barely any noise when the club wins a match?

What on earth are you talking about? We are unbeaten this season, and just won 5v1 - and many of us are complaining! As I have said, not about results (good or bad) but about seeing genuine progress on the pitch.

27 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

What on earth are you talking about? We are unbeaten this season, and just won 5v1 - and many of us are complaining! As I have said, not about results (good or bad) but about seeing genuine progress on the pitch.

So there is no progress since the Potter days and no player has improved for the past season, right?

What's the standard that Chelsea should be at? What club in Europe should Chelsea resemble to fit your criteria of "genuine progress"?

19 minutes ago, petre ispirescu said:

So there is no progress since the Potter days and no player has improved for the past season, right?

What's the standard that Chelsea should be at? What club in Europe should Chelsea resemble to fit your criteria of "genuine progress"?

Since Poch? I'd say E.Fernandez has improved under Maresca. The rest have either maintained their level or regressed and we've added a lot better talent to the squad.

18 hours ago, C3blue said:

So you agree at times the tempo is too slow, I understand we are baiting them.

How about when we speed it up? Do you think we are better?

I’m only asking because I feel we are better and much more effective when we do and when we do there’s no need to bait them because we are capable of blowing them away without worrying whether or not if they take the bait.

Added bonus it’s sooo much better to watch. That’s all people are saying.

It seems silly to be having this conversation after such a resounding win but West Ham are relegation fodder and we saw what a well organised team can do against us let alone a good side.

I still feel it’s very much a work in progress, and there’s nothing boring about winning 5-1 away. I’d just like to see us take the hand break off at times. Surely you feel the same?

Questioning the managers tactics or a players performance doesn’t make you a bigot. Remarks like that are usually thrown around to shut down a debate. Usually by the person who is arguing a losing position.

If you agree at times we play to slow what’s wrong with saying it?

Bigot comment wasnt regarding tactics of questioning the manager, go read again who it was toward. Its is toward people who will never change their mind regardless of what happens.

All teams have good and bad days, our manager and squad are young so we have to accept there will be some inconsistency with both. I don’t find our style boring at all, i enjoy it. Yes there are periods we dont perform well and it is slow, but this is a young team, it will click eventually. We have seen them do it, while we also seem to forget we have a brand new attack again that needs to learn to play with each other. Estevao, Gittens, Joao Pedro and Delap are new to the team and how we play. Can’t expect flowing and quick football when theyre learning how their teammates play and move during games.

I hated the back and forth basketball games we saw under Pochetino.

16 minutes ago, Clown Lake said:

Bigot comment wasnt regarding tactics of questioning the manager, go read again who it was toward. Its is toward people who will never change their mind regardless of what happens.

All teams have good and bad days, our manager and squad are young so we have to accept there will be some inconsistency with both. I don’t find our style boring at all, i enjoy it. Yes there are periods we dont perform well and it is slow, but this is a young team, it will click eventually. We have seen them do it, while we also seem to forget we have a brand new attack again that needs to learn to play with each other. Estevao, Gittens, Joao Pedro and Delap are new to the team and how we play. Can’t expect flowing and quick football when theyre learning how their teammates play and move during games.

I hated the back and forth basketball games we saw under Pochetino.

fair enough if you like this sort of football I suppose, and as I said I believe it is still a work in progress.

Maybe it’s a generational thing, obviously I have no idea how old you are but the end to end basketball style football u mention is what made the premier league the most watched, exciting and entertaining league in the world.

Sometimes I think the whole men’s game is over coached not just our manager. Watching a game of football and already knowing exactly where the next 3 passes are going doesn’t get me on my feet.

If this style wins us the league I won’t complain of course but football goes in cycles and I feel or hope this Pep style death by a thousand passes moves on fast. COYB.

1 hour ago, petre ispirescu said:

So there is no progress since the Potter days and no player has improved for the past season, right?

What's the standard that Chelsea should be at? What club in Europe should Chelsea resemble to fit your criteria of "genuine progress"?

Go and watch the Palace and West ham games. How slow we move the ball. The general lack of urgency.

Now go back to last season vs Ipswich or villa or brighton ( for example).

Now go back to the season before when poch was manager and watch the game (we won) against forest, or games against everton and wolves ( for example).

The slow, stagnant, predictable and uninspired play is the same in all of them. Sure the players have changed - but the general MO has not.

You must have a bad memory, because the play has been similar for years. Potter actually had us doing a bit better (without results) in his last couple of games and in europe - but for the most part we were also dire with him. And lamps. And Sarri. And TT.

We have had a string of managers who have refused to be progressive.

1 hour ago, petre ispirescu said:

So there is no progress since the Potter days and no player has improved for the past season, right?

What's the standard that Chelsea should be at? What club in Europe should Chelsea resemble to fit your criteria of "genuine progress"?

and to answer your question - the standard I want us to be at is how we played against PSG in the first half. Brave. Moving the ball quickly. Tenacious in closing down. Not plying at walking speed.

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3 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

and to answer your question - the standard I want us to be at is how we played against PSG in the first half. Brave. Moving the ball quickly. Tenacious in closing down. Not plying at walking speed.

Listen mate, it's ok, I understand you now. You want this team to play a certain way, but the two instances you are giving as example are totally opposite ones.

You had Paris SG opened themselves up in the first half like a cheap whore spreads her legs, hence acres of space to exploit and play the way Chelsea did, but then you're fustrated they can't do the same against a quality Palace side that have 11 players behind the ball, way over the halfway line.

Will stop here, no need to argue anymore.

35 minutes ago, petre ispirescu said:

Listen mate, it's ok, I understand you now. You want this team to play a certain way, but the two instances you are giving as example are totally opposite ones.

You had Paris SG opened themselves up in the first half like a cheap whore spreads her legs, hence acres of space to exploit and play the way Chelsea did, but then you're fustrated they can't do the same against a quality Palace side that have 11 players behind the ball, way over the halfway line.

Will stop here, no need to argue anymore.

the principles of how we play don't need to change just because our opponents differ.

Don't see Liverpool playing significantly differently just because their opponents sit back. They do the same thing week in week out....press, play quickly and progressively.

18 hours ago, Victor90 said:

Not at all,

Numerous others and I didn't like Maresca from the get-go, but we had egg on our faces in early December, and I was more than willing to come around and admit I was wrong.

Then we started playing differently (his way), and it was torrid... Everything I feared about him was on display week by week. Very happy with the two cups he has won us, but I still don't think he's the right man for the job to take us forward. However, if he proves me wrong and we're in the top 3 by the end of December, I'll take my hat off to him like many others on here will.

I don't care about being right or wrong, and numerous others on here don't either. He will win us over if we start seeing better performances, then better performances will correlate into better results. It's that simple.

Maresca does have an issue, which is common with a lot of our managers, in that when we play badly it's "his way" and when we play well it's the players way

49 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Maresca does have an issue, which is common with a lot of our managers, in that when we play badly it's "his way" and when we play well it's the players way

But then you have our best creative plyer (palmer) saying he was sick of playing the managers way, and took it upon himself to change it and start taking chances. Which turned the game around in the conf leGue final and won us the cup.

Perhaps the manager should take note....

Watching the Everton v Brighton game, Wow that is some new stadium, really making the bridge look old and a bit hotch potch. How far down the attendance table are we now?

6 hours ago, petre ispirescu said:

If it's not about the results, how come there is barely any noise when the club wins a match?

Did you not follow the thread on Friday night?

18 hours ago, petre ispirescu said:

18 hours ago, petre ispirescu said:

Everybody is entitled to an opinion, but look at the bigger picture as well. I said it before, it's easy for people to just look at the spending and say "Oh, Chelsea have spent a lot, trophies are mandatory", but forget how young this squad is.

If you've played this game, you would understand. If not, you will use the same narrative that spending must immediately result in trophies.

Take a five a side team in your area full of 21 and 22 years old kids that have played the game in the youth ranks and put them against some 32-33 years old guys that have also played the game and see if the young guys, even though fresher, have enough to beat the experience.

Yes, I agree with your 5 a side example that we have hampered ourselves with a very young team . Obviously record spending in the past did actually provide us with trophies, but again you are correct, we mustn't expect similar record spending now to lead to trophies with this ownership model. .

I feel you are itching to reveal how your experience of "playing the game" ( I assume to a professional level ?) and not like the brutal amateur level that most of us endured , gives you a special insight into how a Premier League club's spending policy is only comprehensible to ex players as yourself ?? .

Cheers mate, take care

18 hours ago, Clown Lake said:

Clownlake's picture of how he thinks a Chelsea fan looks as he applauds the team onto the pitch .

6 hours ago, petre ispirescu said:

So there is no progress since the Potter days and no player has improved for the past season, right?

What's the standard that Chelsea should be at? What club in Europe should Chelsea resemble to fit your criteria of "genuine progress"?

Chelsea should maybe resemble the Chelsea club that was debt free and sold to new owners a few seasons ago .

4 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Maresca does have an issue, which is common with a lot of our managers, in that when we play badly it's "his way" and when we play well it's the players way

So just ignore the part where I clearly he said he won us two cups? Yeah nice one.

And as @nonotnowjim pointed out, Palmer even said the players took the game into his own hands and started playing their way.

Maresca was very unhappy with the way we were winning games earlier in the season, he didn't like how direct we were. None of this is unfounded, it's right there from the horses mouth.

4 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Maresca does have an issue, which is common with a lot of our managers, in that when we play badly it's "his way" and when we play well it's the players way

Absolutely SPOT ON!

14 minutes ago, Clown Lake said:

Absolutely SPOT ON!

How Clownlake thinks a Chelsea fan looks when trying to buy a beer at halftime.

Players are the ones playing the game. Maresca isn't exactly telling them what to do or think in every situation. Young sides need more guiding though, a smaller sandbox if you will.

Experienced players like Carlo had in RM need basically just ideas thrown to them. They have accumulated solutions over the years of playing to do most of the thinking and actions.

I think our players like to play the way we play because it has given them wins and we've been pretty compact. Levi's raved on about Enzo because he's helped him to keep clean sheets and improved as a player.

Player like Cole probably feels sometimes the plan restricts him but he also needs to learn the team game. He just saw what happened when he didn't bury every chance or half chance he did under Pochettino. It hurts the team.

All the same he saw what a good plan and tactics can do to you against PSG in the final.

Re Liverpool playing the same way..yes they don't tinker that much. That is one way of playing football. Enzo does this thing and Liverpool theirs.

Re up and down football. Never was a fan of it. That is why I am most excited about our European games rather than Prem games. I know it isn't dumb football because the best players and coaches are in it but it takes a bit a way from some of the most brilliant moves of football.

33 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

So just ignore the part where I clearly he said he won us two cups? Yeah nice one.

And as @nonotnowjim pointed out, Palmer even said the players took the game into his own hands and started playing their way.

Maresca was very unhappy with the way we were winning games earlier in the season, he didn't like how direct we were. None of this is unfounded, it's right there from the horses mouth.

And it's not just us " bigoted" Chelsea fans, Leicester fans also complained about Maresca's boring , stupifying tactics .

I really thought they were wrong when we played great football, only to eventually realise that they were correct.

3 minutes ago, evissy said:

Players are the ones playing the game. Maresca isn't exactly telling them what to do or think in every situation. Young sides need more guiding though, a smaller sandbox if you will.

Experienced players like Carlo had in RM need basically just ideas thrown to them. They have accumulated solutions over the years of playing to do most of the thinking and actions.

I think our players like to play the way we play because it has given them wins and we've been pretty compact. Levi's raved on about Enzo because he's helped him to keep clean sheets and improved as a player.

Player like Cole probably feels sometimes the plan restricts him but he also needs to learn the team game. He just saw what happened when he didn't bury every chance or half chance he did under Pochettino. It hurts the team.

All the same he saw what a good plan and tactics can do to you against PSG in the final.

Re Liverpool playing the same way..yes they don't tinker that much. That is one way of playing football. Enzo does this thing and Liverpool theirs.

Re up and down football. Never was a fan of it. That is why I am most excited about our European games rather than Prem games. I know it isn't dumb football because the best players and coaches are in it but it takes a bit a way from some of the most brilliant moves of football.

Another Clownlake and Evissy double appearance at the same time ,!! 😂😂😂

7 minutes ago, evissy said:

about Experienced players like Carlo had in RM need basically just ideas thrown to them. They have accumulated solutions over the years of playing to do most of the thinking and actions.

I think our players like to play the way we play because it has given them wins and we've been pretty compact. Levi's raved on about Enzo because he's helped him to keep clean sheets and improved as a player.

Player like Cole probably feels sometimes the plan restricts him but he also needs to learn the team game. He just saw what happened when he didn't bury every chance or half chance he did under Pochettino. It hurts the team.

All the same he saw what a good plan and tactics can do to you against PSG in the final.

Re Liverpool playing the same way..yes they don't tinker that much. That is one way of playing football. Enzo does this thing and Liverpool theirs.

Re up and down football. Never was a fan of it. That is why I am most excited about our European games rather than Prem games. I know it isn't dumb football because the best players and coaches are in it but it takes a bit a way from some of the most brilliant moves of football.

So, you don't like " end to end football. that's why you are excited about European football? You're hoping for what ? Dull games ?

Did you watch any Champions League games last season ? You'll hate them , they were very exciting mate.

Pretending you prefer slow, methodical, endless passing games to end to end football in order to just support Maresca??

😂😂😂

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7 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Another Clownlake and Evissy double appearance at the same time ,!! 😂😂😂

Can't stop laughing mate. Such a comedian.