5 minutes ago, GarnachoCheese said:

False, i said this in summer.

I liked what i saw at Derby and it was only a matter of time until he was our manager and it was obvious he was an upgrade on Maresca.

Above any manager LR was top of your list to make us challenge again….ok.

Well you got your way, a boardroom yes man forced to say yes and take the job offering us up the same bullsh*t brand of football…..joy.

1 minute ago, C3blue said:

Above any manager LR was top of your list to make us challenge again….ok.

Well you got your way, a boardroom yes man forced to say yes and take the job offering us up the same bullsh*t brand of football…..joy.

He was the top of my list for realistic appointments.

Out of interest, who would you have us employ? And be realistic.

15 hours ago, dansubrosa said:

Cucurella is miles better than Garnacho, even as a winger.

If this is even close to be true. We would have played with Cucurella as flying wb.

As an interim JT, then in the summer a lot more realistic targets would be available.

In terms of realistic targets that depends on the job on offer.

If it’s in the current environment no decent manager would touch it with a barge poll.

If however you said look we have a great young squad, we will give you control to an obvious extent of transfers, selection, style of play etc then the door opens again to any manager. What more can Enrique achieve in France? Does Klopp want another challenge? Can Don Carlo godfather these kids? you know winners of the highest calibre, that type of manager. Who the players would immediately respect and listen too.We have had them before, we are current WC, play in the prem, CL,London club etc. the only problem is the current set up.

I think the criteria for judging any manager should be- is he good enough to do the job and deliver results for our club.

I dont think it should be, is he better than the previous manager especially if the previous manager was sub standard.

For example a tailors dummy should not be considered acceptable or indeed an upgrade on Graham Potter.

Comparisons of Rosenior to Maresca seem to be like saying half a loaf of bread is better than none at all.

8 minutes ago, C3blue said:

As an interim JT, then in the summer a lot more realistic targets would be available.

In terms of realistic targets that depends on the job on offer.

If it’s in the current environment no decent manager would touch it with a barge poll.

If however you said look we have a great young squad, we will give you control to an obvious extent of transfers, selection, style of play etc then the door opens again to any manager. What more can Enrique achieve in France? Does Klopp want another challenge? Can Don Carlo godfather these kids? you know winners of the highest calibre, that type of manager. Who the players would immediately respect and listen too.We have had them before, we are current WC, play in the prem, CL,London club etc. the only problem is the current set up.

The three managers you just listed are all unrealistic.

We may as well go ahead and sign Yamal and Olise on the wing too while we're at it.

1 minute ago, OTL said:

I think the criteria for judging any manager should be- is he good enough to do the job and deliver results for our club.

I dont think it should be, is he better than the previous manager especially if the previous manager was sub standard.

For example a tailors dummy should not be considered acceptable or indeed an upgrade on Graham Potter.

Comparisons of Rosenior to Maresca seem to be like saying half a loaf of bread is better than none at all.

100% win record in the PL and CL so far, so why are people still judging that he isn;t good enough if results are what we should be judging them on?

18 hours ago, GarnachoCheese said:

100% record in the CL and PL isn't enough...

People have written him off before he even joined because they don't like the owners.

He's just not a good enough manager for any project. I highly doubt he'd win any trophy even if he was managing Real Madrid with SAF as director of football

7 minutes ago, Deino said:

He's just not a good enough manager for any project. I highly doubt he'd win any trophy even if he was managing Real Madrid with SAF as director of football

This same logic was used against Arteta and they seem to be doing okay.

People don't like him because he was hired by BlueCo, without acknowledging he's doing a good job and has done wherever he's been.

Sacked by Hull and mid table in France would put his cv in the bin if I was hiring the next manager capable of winning major honours.

If I was looking for someone to come in and quietly do as he was told then he’s ya man.

9 minutes ago, GarnachoCheese said:

100% win record in the PL and CL so far, so why are people still judging that he isn;t good enough if results are what we should be judging them on?

I think people are judging him on.... "is he good enough?" and "delivering results." I accept the interpretation of is he good enough is a broad brush but data cant cover everything.

Look closer at the results and the manner in which they were achieved

Brentford maybe we rode our luck, Pafos was rather disappointing, Napoli and West Ham (first halfs) were errors that had to be corrected. Then the 2nd leg v Arsenal left us looking decidedly subservient to the premier league elite. None of these examples will have many shouting "he is good enough".

If he wins the next four and some might say he should at a canter that will be an win percentage of 83.33 but the real challenges start in March that's when he will have to earn his corn.

Edited February 5Feb 5 by OTL

4 minutes ago, C3blue said:

Sacked by Hull and mid table in France would put his cv in the bin if I was hiring the next manager capable of winning major honours.

If I was looking for someone to come in and quietly do as he was told then he’s ya man.

Took Hull from 19th, to 7th in two seasons. Finished 21st the year after.

Took Strasbourg from 13th to 7th and into the conference league, only just missing out on CL.

Did brilliantly with Derby.

So which manager is realistic and capable of winning major honours with us? Put your money where your mouth is, who should we be hiring?

3 minutes ago, GarnachoCheese said:

only just missing out on CL.

By bottling it twice against relegation sides to end the season. Worth mentioning I think.

5 minutes ago, GarnachoCheese said:

Took Hull from 19th, to 7th in two seasons. Finished 21st the year after.

Took Strasbourg from 13th to 7th and into the conference league, only just missing out on CL.

Did brilliantly with Derby.

I agree with you hes a good lower league coach.

It’s not LR that I have a problem with it’s the whole ‘project’.

They came in willing to buy established stars and pay them top $. They made mistakes and got their fingers burned, they then did a complete 360 and went for kids on low wages etc when a 180 would have been better and are now realising you can lose just as much money on kids who never realise their potential and your first team really suffers without any experience but refuse to change.

This project is sh*t from top to bottom it doesn’t work, it doesn’t make money, it stifles players potential if anything and it hinders the first team so where is the benefit?

The SD’s have to go or change direction because as I said it’s sh*t for the players the fans and this or the next puppet scapegoat manager they sit in the dugout.

16 hours ago, GarnachoCheese said:

Will do mate, try watching the game next time you want to talk about it so you don’t look daft 👍

I thought I blocked you yesterday... i need instructions, do you have a spreadsheet I can read with them on?

LR was the best available option of who we’d realistically target.

Is he a title winning manager? No, but we aren’t a title winning team.

For as long as BlueCo are here we aren’t ‘a force’ so we aren’t going to target the big names, the big names aren’t going to buy into our project and it’s very obvious our project isn’t going to change.

Iraola at Bournemouth? Potentially but look how we avoided De Zerbi because the SD’s are scared of anyone with a personality.

He’s better than Maresca (Who had been sacked by Parma if we’re beating people with that stick), better than Potter, not as good as Poch or Tuchel. It’s that simple.

13 minutes ago, GarnachoCheese said:

Took Hull from 19th, to 7th in two seasons. Finished 21st the year after.

Took Strasbourg from 13th to 7th and into the conference league, only just missing out on CL.

Did brilliantly with Derby.

So which manager is realistic and capable of winning major honours with us? Put your money where your mouth is, who should we be hiring?

I gave you a few names, we come back to this ‘realistic’ thing. Take the current set up away and what names are unrealistic?? Pep? Arteta who you can stick?

We have hired and fired the best managers in the world it’s only the current SD’s small club mindset and set up that stops us.

Just now, C3blue said:

We have hired and fired the best managers in the world it’s only the current SD’s small club mindset and set up that stops us.

And it’s those SD’s who do the hiring that’s why everyone you suggested is unrealistic.

Working within the BlueCo mindset, they have to be ‘agreeable’ (A Yes man) on low wages (Inexperienced at the top level) and above all have ‘potential’ (If they do well someone might buy them out and thats… PROFIT!)

They had Tuchel, they sacked him off, they had Poch, he sacked them off. They had a free run at Luis Enrique, he said No, they had a free run at Nagelsmann, he said No.

Said it 1,000 times, we as fan still see Chels as Chels, we aren’t that club anymore, this is BlueCo CFC LDN and will be til the septics are out, which they won’t ever because the PL is an absolute cash cow.

Under this new regime, the days of us appointing a Mourinho, Ancelotti, Klopp, Guardiola etc etc are well and truly over. It ain't gonna happen, so we may as well get used to these new style appointments.

It's early days, but I have a much better feeling with LR than I ever did with Maresca, so happy to give him time and see how things go. Way too early to judge - especially with some of the dross we currently have in our squad.

40 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

By bottling it twice against relegation sides to end the season. Worth mentioning I think.

If we're mentioning that can we mention how he beat PSG too? Overachieving is now a bad thing apparently.

39 minutes ago, OTL said:

I agree with you hes a good lower league coach.

Good PL coach too with his 100% win record!

37 minutes ago, C3blue said:

It’s not LR that I have a problem with it’s the whole ‘project’.

They came in willing to buy established stars and pay them top $. They made mistakes and got their fingers burned, they then did a complete 360 and went for kids on low wages etc when a 180 would have been better and are now realising you can lose just as much money on kids who never realise their potential and your first team really suffers without any experience but refuse to change.

This project is sh*t from top to bottom it doesn’t work, it doesn’t make money, it stifles players potential if anything and it hinders the first team so where is the benefit?

The SD’s have to go or change direction because as I said it’s sh*t for the players the fans and this or the next puppet scapegoat manager they sit in the dugout.

This i can agree with. The owners and directors have killed the club with their ideas.

My issue is with people writing off the manager because of their issue with the owners. LR has done a good job to date and should be given a fair run of it until he has us with multiple back to back losses.

35 minutes ago, bluelightening said:

I thought I blocked you yesterday... i need instructions, do you have a spreadsheet I can read with them on?

Good one pal, everyones laughing

Judging Liam Rosenior at this stage feels premature. Most managers need a minimum of six months to truly impose their philosophy.

At the moment, this still looks like a Maresca‑drilled team, with Liam influencing games mainly through match‑day decisions. The real evaluation should come once his training‑ground work translates into consistent patterns on the pitch.

After looking at yesterday's result, I think tactically Rosenior's plan was probably the better of the two (between us and Newcastle). Yes, they needed two goals but were effectively out of the tie within the first half an hour.

We didn't create much, but created more than Arsenal and could easily have got that goal from a corner in the last 15-20 minutes to take it to extra time.

Not saying that makes it fascinating to watch, but I wouldn't get all depressed about LR's tactics in that game. It could have been worse - we could have been out of the tie before the second half started.

31 minutes ago, The Boehly Babes said:

And it’s those SD’s who do the hiring that’s why everyone you suggested is unrealistic.

Working within the BlueCo mindset, they have to be ‘agreeable’ (A Yes man) on low wages (Inexperienced at the top level) and above all have ‘potential’ (If they do well someone might buy them out and thats… PROFIT!)

They had Tuchel, they sacked him off, they had Poch, he sacked them off. They had a free run at Luis Enrique, he said No, they had a free run at Nagelsmann, he said No.

Said it 1,000 times, we as fan still see Chels as Chels, we aren’t that club anymore, this is BlueCo CFC LDN and will be til the septics are out, which they won’t ever because the PL is an absolute cash cow.

Agree. This is why I said under the current set up what is realistic and not are 2 different things and the set up needs to change.

4 minutes ago, GarnachoCheese said:

If we're mentioning that can we mention how he beat PSG too? Overachieving is now a bad thing apparently.

Mention whatever you want. But when the heat was on he bottled it.
Finishing 7th with Strasbourg after all those investments was hardly an achievement. Champions League would have been, but he bottled it.