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About Jose, I know he has been our most successful manager to date, but I really wanted him to lose tonight.

I don't hold anything special for Milan, although I share a healthy dislike for Inter, but some of the things he has said since taking over at Milano, has been well and truly appalling. <_<

I know it is all a face for the media and he may be a completely different person, but I am beginning to understand why many have hated him over the years.

I wish him the best, grudgingly, for all the things he has done for us, but my heart no longer goes out to him in any way, shape or form.

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About Jose, I know he has been our most successful manager to date, but I really wanted him to lose tonight.

I don't hold anything special for Milan, although I share a healthy dislike for Inter, but some of the things he has said since taking over at Milano, has been well and truly appalling. :rolleyes:

I know it is all a face for the media and he may be a completely different person, but I am beginning to understand why many have hated him over the years.

I wish him the best, grudgingly, for all the things he has done for us, but my heart no longer goes out to him in any way, shape or form.

I kind of agree with everything here. In fact, my opinions of Milan have soured considerably since the whole Sheva/Kaka sagas went on. But I would much rather Claudio capture the Serie A than Jose. I knew he was an arrogant t*at all these years, and did my best defending him, but I knew most times he was dead wrong and being a complete buffoon. And that behavior resulted in him getting the short end of the stick when he was actually right (see: Frisk, Anders) and nobody having sympathy for him, or for us.

He has been funnny to watch through the eye of the press. The whole Lo Monaco thing, and telling Claudio to learn English. But Jesus, even here, he was never this pugnacious. He seems to be unable to turn down a single verbal challenge in Italy. And if the results arent good after his first year, I would expect Moratti will quickly tire of his game. He is the anti-Mancini, because there you had a guy who was very low key. Bottom line is that at Chelsea he passed the first big test (Matchday one to Man United) and at Inter he has failed it.

I kind of think Inter are a perfect place for Jose though, because they have notorious loudmouths like Materazzi (great to see him red carded, by the way), Vieira, Adriano, and Zlatan to get along with. It was good to see Milan knock them down a few pegs and remind them that they arent that good after all. And that being the case, I wouldnt mind seeing them bite the dust.

Speaking of which, Hernan should really get his contract dissolved and go sign up across town because Jose will just never warm up to him. It would be great to see him in black and red again (memories of that infamous night in Istanbul), and im sure he would be just one more person willing to show Jose his commuppance. Along with Sheva, Ancelotti, Lo Monaco, Claudio, Mutu, and god only knows how many more.

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I'm sorry but what appalling and disgusting things has Jose said?

As far as I can see he has not said anything which is not the truth. The trouble is he has said things in his own straight talking style and the bottom line is the Italian media don't like it and think as a foreigner he should know his place and behave accordingly.

Many of the coaches in the league seem overly anxious to complain about anything he says calling him disrespectful when its usually the media misreporting what he says by taking excerpts from long interviews or twisting his words to make more lurid headlines.

A typical example was after the Lecce game when he sent his assistant Baresi to give the post match talk. The Lecce coach said to the TV cameras afterwards he was very disappointed Jose had not respected him enough to speak about the game. Turns out that Jose spoke to the Lecce coach (just not in front of the cameras) and Jose was confused afterwards why this guy said to everyone he had been snubbed.

The Catania coach fumed because Jose dared to suggest his team could have scored far more goals and won comfortably and said Jose had brought disrepect to the people of Catania, his club and the whole of Italy and basically he should go back to where he came from and deserved a kick in the teeth - okay maybe he overegged the pudding saying they should have scored 5 goals but the simple fact was they could have scored many more. Who is being insulting there in that exchange exactly?

His failure to talk to the press after just one game was labelled terribly disrespectful by the Italian media - Jose quite rightly said that SAF often did not give interviews and he was surely one of the greatest manager's in the world - no one accused him of being disrespectful for sending out his assistant to talk. Jose felt it gave his assistant valuable experience and he will do it again too. Meanwhile the journalists interviewing his assistant after the game said they really couldn't be bothered to ask him too much because what was the point he knew nothing anyway as he was not Mourinho despite the fact he sits on the bench and attends every training session. Who is being insulting there I wonder?

Ranieri's attitude has really interested me in that he has often been the one starting the baiting which leads Jose on as we all know. Yes he did tell Ranieri to learn English because as he pointed out the Italian media were calling him disrespectful when he has spent 5 months learning to speak fluent Italian so he can integrate into the country. Ranieri spent 4 years in England and could barely say hello and good bye (and I like Ranieri but even I can admit his English was not great). So okay Jose was a bit harsh sayiing it like that but was he incorrect in what he said? Ranieri had joined in a row that he frankly had no business being involved in - it had nothing to do with him but he had to get involved for some reason.

I guess my point is that I would love to know what examples you have of his behaviour in Italy that is so "appalling" because from what I've read and heard there has been nothing he's said which doesn't have one huge grain of truth in it and in most cases his responses have been perfectly calm and sensible, if he has reacted badly to anything it has often been for a good reason.

As for Materazzi, he was apparently subjected to abuse about his family from so called "fans". I realise that this is really no excuse since he should just deal with it but that's easy for us all to say isn't it?

I'm not suggesting that Jose is some paragon of virture or that he should be everyone's cup of tea with his style of talking. Yes he should have learned to put a lid on it sometimes and hold his tongue - he obviously never got taught that by his mother - but to suggest he has been behaving in a disgraceful manner, well I have to disagree with you on this point.

As for Inter's performances, they were top of the league until the Milan loss on Sunday and are just 2 points off the top with none of their big name rivals (Milan, Roma, Juve) ahead of them. And he won the charity shield and his first C/L match so in fact he is going a little better than Mancini did at this stage I believe.

As I don't get to see any Italian football really I have no idea how well the team is really playing only from press reports but I wish him well and I hope he eventually makes the press eat their words. For what he did for Chelsea he will always have my support even if I disagree with certain things he says and does. I must admit I just don't understand some (I presume) Chelsea fans desparately eager to see him fail - I would never want that to happen for the reason I explained above. The only time I would not offer my support is if Inter played Chelsea obviously.

I guess each to his own.

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Im not really sure how this is payback for Shev. He played 7 mins and touched the ball like 3 times. So far his return as the prodigal son has predictably been a bit of a comedy show.

As for Jose ? We all know what he is like. We knew it when he was with us, so im surprised if people are just coming to some conclusions right now. A leopard wont change his spots .

As far as i am concerned he is a tit at times and will continue to be - but he is a Chelsea legend and will always have a place in my Chelsea heart.

Just you wait until we get drawn against Inter (its going to happen, mark my words), then sparks are really gonna fly! Cant wait...

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Sheva has done little since his return and I'm not surprised actually.

As for Jose I don't think his personality will change much - he is what he is and I can't help liking the man for it.

His work at Chelsea will go down in history as it should, I admith that I just can't get my head around people who actually want him to do badly after what he did with us.

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Its not that anyone was expecting him to be radically different than he was with us. I knew how Jose was, and thats part of the reason he (and more importantly his teams) are so good.

But he seems to be twice as combative in Italy as he was here. Here he had the infamous interview and then seemed to lay low a while. Controversy flared up for him from time to time, rather than constantly. Now maybe its becase I am looking from afar, but it seems like since he got to inter he is making enemies at every turn. Ancelotti, Ranieri, Lo Monaco, etc etc. I dont label what he has done as "disgusting", I just think its surprising. And even when he was here, his combative style got the job done but it wasnt my style. Nothing wrong with a difference in opinion our outlook. :bustingup:

Personally, I like the man because he put all that behavior on for show, according to the sources I trusted, and he only came off as such a cocky bar steward for the purpose of achieving an aim. But I am hoping he has a long and healthy stay in Italy. With Inter you again have power concentrated in the hands of one extremely rich man and so I hope he doesnt cause so much of a stir they decide to be rid of him, somehow. The reason I want him to succeed (despite not liking Inter or their players much) is, obviously, for what he achieved here. I dont know if another manager in the world wouldve been capable of doing what he did, in both of his first two seasons.

By the way, BJD, I just recognized what your avatar is. Nice work and a great job to the artist! I might have to steal that idea someday :lol:

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People used to say (and probably still do) that Mourinho was a guy you either loved or you hated. Well I think that’s wrong as at times I love him but there are plenty of times I loathe the bloke.

Will always have affection for the man who gave us a few great years and turned us into winners. Will never forget that and even now, at times, I love the guy and his humour. But that is always slightly tainted by the way his behaviour at times is nothing short of embarrassing and how he fairly regularly loses all dignity.

Now he is at Inter, I really don’t care whether he succeeds or fails. He is no longer Chelsea and as I have little interest in Italian football, I really don’t care one way or the other.

What I do know, is that if (or when) we meet them in the Champions League, I hope we stuff his side out of sight. I hope we do it with 11 against 11 and there are no iffy refereeing decisions and then he has the good grace afterwards to admit that the better team won and doesn’t use that old line of “but of course they won, they are my teamâ€.

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By the way, BJD, I just recognized what your avatar is. Nice work and a great job to the artist! I might have to steal that idea someday :lol:

Cheers. Not a lot of people get it! The artist was so proud of it , a picture of it now hangs on the wall in the tattoo palour!

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Cheers. Not a lot of people get it! The artist was so proud of it , a picture of it now hangs on the wall in the tattoo palour!

Surely you are talking about people under a certain age. I would say that image is instantly recognisable to the majority of people above the age of about 30 (and many under)

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Surely you are talking about people under a certain age. I would say that image is instantly recognisable to the majority of people above the age of about 30 (and many under)

it might just be my experience, but I would say that the public in America is FAR less adept when it comes to their music history than most people i've met in Britain.

I blame the media :D

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I totally agree with Callista here.

For what he did for Chelsea he will always have my support even if I disagree with certain things he says and does. I must admit I just don't understand some (I presume) Chelsea fans desparately eager to see him fail - I would never want that to happen for the reason I explained above. The only time I would not offer my support is if Inter played Chelsea obviously.

I too think it's odd that some people want to write disparagingly about him. Something's not right here. Secret Liversc*m supporters?

Mez

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I don't think it is that hard to differentiate between supporting him as Chelsea manager but not supporting him as a manager elsewhere. To a pretty large extent it is your affection for the man that decides whether you care about how well he does at another club.

I want Drogba to score week in week out for us but if he left in January I wouldn't care if his goals dried up and he never made an impact anywhere ever again.

When Inter play Juve I would want Juve to win (despite my general contempt for Juve) because I prefer Claudio to Jose.

There were people on here during Jose's reign as Chelsea manager who were fairly candid about their opinion of the man and I think that just makes them honest Chelsea fans rather than secret Liverpool fans. Just because someone manages or plays for your club doesn't mean you have to turn a blind eye to what you dislike about them (that sounds more like a Liverpool fan to me!).

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I don't think it is that hard to differentiate between supporting him as Chelsea manager but not supporting him as a manager elsewhere. To a pretty large extent it is your affection for the man that decides whether you care about how well he does at another club.

I want Drogba to score week in week out for us but if he left in January I wouldn't care if his goals dried up and he never made an impact anywhere ever again.

When Inter play Juve I would want Juve to win (despite my general contempt for Juve) because I prefer Claudio to Jose.

There were people on here during Jose's reign as Chelsea manager who were fairly candid about their opinion of the man and I think that just makes them honest Chelsea fans rather than secret Liverpool fans. Just because someone manages or plays for your club doesn't mean you have to turn a blind eye to what you dislike about them (that sounds more like a Liverpool fan to me!).

well said, every point. Liking Jose and what he did for this club does not mean you have to turn your opinion over at the door

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