Watched 'Moon' tonight and it is nothing short of magnificent. For me it is the finest science fiction film since 2001 Space Odyssey and probably the only sci-fi film that I would consider to be on a par with 2001.

You sure it wasn't New Moon?

I trust that is your droll slow island life existence humour Scotty boy

I have now seen 'Up', 'Moon' and 'An Education' today and I have to agree with youlots entirely. The fact that,of those three, 'Moon' is the one not nominated as a candidate for best film makes a mockery of the Oscars (again).

'Up' is entertaining but predictable. 'An Education' is a bog standard coming of age tale which has a mediocre script, is nauseatingly pretentious in parts and the characters are utterly unbelievable.

it is almost as if 'Moon' can hold its head up high by not being nominated.

Saw Burtons Alice In Wonderland in 3d last night and was sadly a little disappointed.

From someone who normally delivers i felt he never took this one by the balls and wasnt really sure what to do with it. I was certainly surprised at just how family orientated it was, though bearing in mind its a fairytale perhaps thats what i shouldve expected and thats why i couldnt get on with it.

Obviously it looked fantastic, Wonderland is a beautiful haunting place and there were some good turns, notably Helena Bonham Carter and of course, Depp. But i never thought it got going - the last half in particular was a real let down. Was great to hear so many famous Brit voices though!

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I was certainly surprised at just how family orientated it was, though bearing in mind its a fairytale perhaps thats what i shouldve expected and thats why i couldnt get on with it.

It's a Disney film, so it has to be suitable for the whole family.

Also saw Alice in Underland this weekend & mostly agree with your take bjd. Such a monumental task to begin with though - soothing all the monumental expectations; quite brilliant staging, acting and effects for the most part (as us devotees of Burton expect) but let down, no doubt, by the fact that it was disney money after all: hence the trite narrative tie-up. Imagine if Burton had been allowed by disney to do a Peter Jackson with the material - ie. three films not one. Sadly that would never happen of course.

Saw Burtons Alice In Wonderland in 3d last night and was sadly a little disappointed.

This is just part of a conspiracy to ruin my Sunday!!

Tim Burton is a God who does now wrong ('Planet of the Apes' being the exception that proves the rule!)

This is just part of a conspiracy to ruin my Sunday!!

Tim Burton is a God who does now wrong ('Planet of the Apes' being the exception that proves the rule!)

Freudian slip, Loz?

Moi,

I would rather you restricted yourself to discussing Geezer's underwear. Mine is my business.

The last film I watched was Wedding Crashers. It was faintly amusing garbage.

I thought that film was really good.

I don't know if I can be bothered to watch the new Alice in Wonderland movie. It looks like the same post-modernist mess featuring Johnny Depp and Helena Bonham Carter which is weird for the sake of weird like every single other Tim Burton movie. I really can't be arsed with the idiot any more.

Moi,

I would rather you restricted yourself to discussing Geezer's underwear. Mine is my business.

Have you started wearing panties again?

Have you started wearing panties again?

No, he wears his wife's petticoats, hence the freudian slip.

i watched awaydays the other day.. and god it was awful. from the outset, where carty is at a funeral but runs off to get changed into his football going gear, which he's stored in the cemetery, the whole thing is ridiculous. also there was a distinct gay vibe not present in the book, and the fight scenes were ridiculous - kids battering grown men and leaving them unconscious. not just one or two, but the entire opposition mob. yeah right. the film also omitted any mention of the way carty treated the family dog, probably to show him in a more sympathetic light, rather than the obnoxious little scumbag portrayed in the book.

i watched awaydays the other day.. and god it was awful. from the outset, where carty is at a funeral but runs off to get changed into his football going gear, which he's stored in the cemetery, the whole thing is ridiculous. also there was a distinct gay vibe not present in the book, and the fight scenes were ridiculous - kids battering grown men and leaving them unconscious. not just one or two, but the entire opposition mob. yeah right. the film also omitted any mention of the way carty treated the family dog, probably to show him in a more sympathetic light, rather than the obnoxious little scumbag portrayed in the book.

Agreed, thought it was terrible. Admittedly didnt watch it all as got bored of it half way through though.

I don't know if I can be bothered to watch the new Alice in Wonderland movie. It looks like the same post-modernist mess featuring Johnny Depp and Helena Bonham Carter which is weird for the sake of weird like every single other Tim Burton movie. I really can't be arsed with the idiot any more.

yes you're right, weird for weird sake, because

Alice's Adventures in Wonderland / Al;ice Through the looking Glass

Charlie & The Chocolate Factory

Big Fish

James & The Giant Peach

Beetlejuice

were all routine books / original scripts and Mars Attacks was just a bog standard set of playing cards that gets used in casinos up and down the land.

Nothing odd about them at all before Burton got hold of them

i watched awaydays the other day.. and god it was awful.

Was it as awful as Green Street Hooligans?

Was it as awful as Green Street Hooligans?

in some ways maybe even worse. i thought green street was so bad it was hilarious, but awaydays didn't even that going for it.

no wait.. the only good thing about awaydays was the soundtrack, lots of Joe Division plus a few more decent tracks from the cure, for example.

yes you're right, weird for weird sake, because

Alice's Adventures in Wonderland / Al;ice Through the looking Glass

Charlie & The Chocolate Factory

Big Fish

James & The Giant Peach

Beetlejuice

were all routine books / original scripts and Mars Attacks was just a bog standard set of playing cards that gets used in casinos up and down the land.

Nothing odd about them at all before Burton got hold of them

So he takes books commonly seen as wacky and makes them gothic/sometimes terrible (I must admit, I do enjoy his Batman films, but Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was a travesty to both cinema and literature) in order to further his image as an eccentric.

He is far too self-indulgent for what actual quality ends up in his works. And let's face it, who really wants to see Helena Bonham Carter swanning around with very pale/unusual makeup on in her semi-delirious manner with a chirpy voice in order to further the idea in yet another neo-gothic shambles?

His Charlie & The Chocolate Factoiry was far more faithful to the original book than the awful Gene Wilder version (which Roald Dahl despised) and got the seal of approval from Dahl's widow, Liccy, (which I believe the release of the film hinged upon).

So given that the Dahl estate were happy with it, that they thought it did justice to the original book then I fail to see how it can be classed as a travesty to literature.

I don't know if I can be bothered to watch the new Alice in Wonderland movie. It looks like the same post-modernist mess featuring Johnny Depp and Helena Bonham Carter which is weird for the sake of weird like every single other Tim Burton movie. I really can't be arsed with the idiot any more.

bit harsh to call him an idiot just because you don't like what he does or his style.

I'd say his batting average is currently one out of two. Still he remains a beacon for me, if other people shared his uniqueness and at times, bravery, the industry he works in would be all the better for it.

It's not 'weird for weirds sake', that's the sort of thing people who don't like David Lynch would say, and I'm sure you're better than that. It's like calling The Smiths miserable when so clearly they are anything but ( most of the time)

Don't worry , I'm sure there will be a another fast and the furious sequel soon!

Joke mate!

I saw Sherlock Holmes on Friday. Reasonably enjoyable. Probably would have liked it more if I could have understood anything Robert Downey Jnr. said. Good actor but accents are obviously not in his reportoire.

also heard and read disappointing things about alicw in wonderland.

ploks, I don't see how tim burton films can be seen as post modern? glorified set designer perhaps if you want to wind up loz, but post modern... I'm not so sure. the batman films perhaps... the vast majority of his work doesn't appear to be in line with my understanding of postmodern filmmaking.

in any case cinema needs more filmmakers with a clear and defined vision. a burton film that doesn't appear to be a burton film is a waste of time. and he chooses his projects extremely well.

moon is brilliant.

saw cache (hidden) recently... good but I've taken a dislike to the director's justification for the ending. worth seeing- a bit cape feary on the surface.

synecdoche new york... stunning if you like charlie kaufman, if you don't, possibly the worst film ever. I like kaufman a lot.

synecdoche new york... stunning if you like charlie kaufman, if you don't, possibly the worst film ever. I like kaufman a lot.

That is a film I want to see. Kaufman is on something of a stunning run of form and it is hard to see him going far wrong at the moment.