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Ricky leaving would be no surprise at all and he could leave with his head held very high and our appreciation for what he has achieved in his time with us. Bringing in Alves would, for me, be pointless. In JT, Alex and Ivan we have three established first team players who are all better centre halves than Alves and after those three we have to be looking to encouraging players through the youth system.

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Was just about to post this as well. But something about it doesn't quite add up to me. Now the Telegraph have him in Milan making the deal, so you'd have to assume it's pretty advanced given Jorge Mendes his agent would have done most of the leg work.

But why would he go to Inter now for? Last year fine, but now Samuel and Lucio are an established not to mention very solid and strong defensive partnership, and they have Cordoba, Chivu, Materazzi etc. in backup. If he was to leave here, presumably because he is no longer first choice I can't understand why he would trot off to Inter to sit behind a similarly strong central defensive partnership, clearly he is better off here or at Madrid where Jose I'd imagine would be looking for a solid defender to come into his squad.

Secondly, why would we pay 15m for Alves to come in and replace him? The only reason I could see us having for moving Riccy on was to concentrate on moving some younger players (Mancienne, Bruma, Hutchinson) into that fourth central defender spot behind JT, Alex and Ivan. Now if we intended to get in another strong centre back instead of doing this, why not just keep the one we have? He certainly won't be costing us 15m and he is arguably still just as good. Given he is getting on, but Alves is 28 himself so it hardly represents generational change, furthermore in my mind he would still sit at least behind Alex who would automatically be first choice, and arguably behind Ivan as well. So why spend 15m on a guy who could well be a fourth choice central defender?

As I was saying this doesn't quite make sense. Or maybe my views are the irrational ones. :unsure:

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Ive maintained for a while we should unload Ricky whilst we can still get a half decent fee as thats arguabley one of the positions we are strongest in regards to depth both for our first team and our youths.

Great servant but I'm not as attached to him as say Lampard/JT or even Drigs, so I'd rather us sell him and get somehting back than see him playout his days here likely not even as a first choice.....

I agree with the sentiment that to bring in Bruno would be redundant.

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Was just about to post this as well. But something about it doesn't quite add up to me. Now the Telegraph have him in Milan making the deal, so you'd have to assume it's pretty advanced given Jorge Mendes his agent would have done most of the leg work.

But why would he go to Inter now for? Last year fine, but now Samuel and Lucio are an established not to mention very solid and strong defensive partnership, and they have Cordoba, Chivu, Materazzi etc. in backup. If he was to leave here, presumably because he is no longer first choice I can't understand why he would trot off to Inter to sit behind a similarly strong central defensive partnership, clearly he is better off here or at Madrid where Jose I'd imagine would be looking for a solid defender to come into his squad.

Secondly, why would we pay 15m for Alves to come in and replace him? The only reason I could see us having for moving Riccy on was to concentrate on moving some younger players (Mancienne, Bruma, Hutchinson) into that fourth central defender spot behind JT, Alex and Ivan. Now if we intended to get in another strong centre back instead of doing this, why not just keep the one we have? He certainly won't be costing us 15m and he is arguably still just as good. Given he is getting on, but Alves is 28 himself so it hardly represents generational change, furthermore in my mind he would still sit at least behind Alex who would automatically be first choice, and arguably behind Ivan as well. So why spend 15m on a guy who could well be a fourth choice central defender?

As I was saying this doesn't quite make sense. Or maybe my views are the irrational ones. :unsure:

Totally agree, mate. With JT and Alex or possibly Ivan if Bossa's back at RB, we have a good first choice pairing and decent back-up. I'd be happy to have, e.g. Bruma as fourth choice CB. Thinking back, Riccy didn't get that many games for us last season. I'm sure Bruma would be able to handle that.

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Was just about to post this as well. But something about it doesn't quite add up to me. Now the Telegraph have him in Milan making the deal, so you'd have to assume it's pretty advanced given Jorge Mendes his agent would have done most of the leg work.

But why would he go to Inter now for? Last year fine, but now Samuel and Lucio are an established not to mention very solid and strong defensive partnership, and they have Cordoba, Chivu, Materazzi etc. in backup. If he was to leave here, presumably because he is no longer first choice I can't understand why he would trot off to Inter to sit behind a similarly strong central defensive partnership, clearly he is better off here or at Madrid where Jose I'd imagine would be looking for a solid defender to come into his squad.

Secondly, why would we pay 15m for Alves to come in and replace him? The only reason I could see us having for moving Riccy on was to concentrate on moving some younger players (Mancienne, Bruma, Hutchinson) into that fourth central defender spot behind JT, Alex and Ivan. Now if we intended to get in another strong centre back instead of doing this, why not just keep the one we have? He certainly won't be costing us 15m and he is arguably still just as good. Given he is getting on, but Alves is 28 himself so it hardly represents generational change, furthermore in my mind he would still sit at least behind Alex who would automatically be first choice, and arguably behind Ivan as well. So why spend 15m on a guy who could well be a fourth choice central defender?

As I was saying this doesn't quite make sense. Or maybe my views are the irrational ones. :unsure:

this guys got it spot on he is saying wot all of us is thinking tho id play ivanovic ahead of alex hes better with passing the ball out of deffense and a great postional sense

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Ricky's departure was always on the cards but i'm not convinced about the need to sign Alves either. there's this:

Chelsea have long admired Alves, however, who declared two days ago he wanted to leave Porto. Alves, 28, has two years left on his contract and Porto had hoped to secure a fee of £15 million for him, but such is his desire to leave that they may now have to settle for less.

which is probably just another case of the press putting 2 + 2 together and making 5.

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Ricky was supposed to go last summer but the deal went tits up because it included Deco and his replacement decided at the eleventh hour not to come. The buyers wouldn't take one without the other and we had no alternative options at that late stage for the role Carlo was looking to fill therefore we pulled out of the deal altogether - speculatively speaking of course ;)

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Ricky was supposed to go last summer but the deal went tits up because it included Deco and his replacement decided at the eleventh hour not to come. The buyers wouldn't take one without the other and we had no alternative options at that late stage for the role Carlo was looking to fill therefore we pulled out of the deal altogether - speculatively speaking of course ;)

Who was the speculative replacement? And hows that pigforeman deal going.

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He's still a top player, watching him at the world cup he did a great job for portugal really impressed. Enough for me that i would of probably put him ahead of Alex in his current form. I just hope we don't let him go on the cheap because he's still worth a nice sum to me.

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Who was the speculative replacement? And hows that pigforeman deal going.

Do you really need me to tell you who we were supposed to be buying last summer? Carlo's number one choice? Dearie me dkw the sun must be getting to you. Rest assured what I have told you is bona fide.

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Do you really need me to tell you who we were supposed to be buying last summer? Carlo's number one choice? Dearie me dkw the sun must be getting to you. Rest assured what I have told you is bona fide.

Ah, Boumsong....... :unsure:

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Do you really need me to tell you who we were supposed to be buying last summer? Carlo's number one choice? Dearie me dkw the sun must be getting to you. Rest assured what I have told you is bona fide.

A week is supposed to be a long time in football, but this was a year and a double ago, I think it's Pirlo but then again I've made a moron of myself before.

It make sense that we would have sold him a year ago. Mourinho was manager and they didn't have Lucio sewn up. Now I can't see why they would want him and I can't see why he would want to go there.

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Why are people assuming it's Inter?! Just a thought!

Anyway agree with all the comments - Alves would be pointless and another signing that completley contradicts what the club feed us about youth getting a chance etc....

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i think, or at least i should very much hope, that it's only a matter of time before we make a few more. unless i'm mistaken there are over 7 weeks left of the transfer window, so it's far too early to panic.

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Great servant but I'm not as attached to him as say Lampard/JT or even Drigs, so I'd rather us sell him and get somehting back than see him playout his days here likely not even as a first choice.....

Maybe its just me, but I think of him just as highly as those players. Like you say, a fantastic servant and was a pillar of consistency (especially as JTs form has sometimes dipped the last few years). Since Alex has gotten here, and Riccy's injuries have piled up he has obviously been a lot less important, but I will never forget that backline he was a part of. To me, he was just someone like Maka. Maybe not as "Chelsea" as some of the other guys, but every bit as important. I'm definitely gonna miss him.

I am a little disappointed, as I was REALLY hoping he was join up with Jose at Real Madrid, but best of luck to him at Inter. I dont know why he would play ahead of Lucio and Samuel, but hopefully he gets games and has alot of success.

Also, dont really get the Bruno Alves thing either. Time to put youngsters in the reserve defensive roles. We have so many of them: Bruma, van Annholt, Bertrand, Mancienne, Sam Hutch.

I guess Paulo and Deco probably wont be far behind Riccy.

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Not Andrea Pirlo? I thought we'd put those rumours to bed months ago.

We did. We are making reference to last seasons transfer window where I said Ricky was due to leave then but the deal for Pirlo fell through and as Deco was part of that deal we pulled out of selling the pair altogether. Pirlo is not in the equation at all this summer

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We did. We are making reference to last seasons transfer window where I said Ricky was due to leave then but the deal for Pirlo fell through and as Deco was part of that deal we pulled out of selling the pair altogether. Pirlo is not in the equation at all this summer

No Pirlo? Fair enough. I hope you're not referring to Kaka either. :P

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  • 2 weeks later...

Ricardo Carvalho has issued a plea to Real Madrid to sign him after admitting he was desperate to link up with former manager Jose Mourinho.

The Portuguese centre-back was brought to Chelsea alongside Mourinho from Porto in 2004 after he took over at Stamford Bridge and went on to become a mainstay alongside John Terry in defence.

Carvalho is still a regular for the Blues, but Mourinho is looking to bolster his defence since moving to the Bernabeu from Inter Milan this summer, and the 32-year-old is seen as a likely target for his former boss.

He had been consistently linked with a move to Inter following Mourinho's departure from the West London club, but despite staying at Chelsea, he conceded he would love the opportunity to play for Real.

Dream

"If there was a possibility to sign with Real Madrid, I would go there right now swimming or running," Carvalho told Spanish daily AS.

"It would be a dream to be able to play for Madrid, which I consider to be the best club in the world, and follow the orders of the best coach in the history of football.

"With Mourinho I experienced two marvellous stages at Porto and Chelsea. To have the opportunity to win another Champions League with him at Real Madrid would be tremendous."

To be honest im not sure if i care if he stays or goes now,for me,alex should be 1st choice alongside JT (obviously when not injured),but if carvalho's heart is with real then i think we should get a little bit of money out of him,as lets face it,he's not what he used to be (2005/06 season was his prime) and he seems prone to injury and i think he's lost alot of his pace.

i also cant stand the way he labelled real madrid as the best club in the world? where was he last year when we scored 103 goals and won the double while real once again failed to deliever in europe and domestically.

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Yeah, best club in the world is a pretty bold statement. But anyways, I sort of agree that I have no real strong feelings about his departure. He is still a quality player but not quite the same as previous years imo.

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