I have a feeling we will go cut price and re-develop the Shed End to get thousands more seats by demolishing the hotel structure and then the following season re-develop the Mathew Harding stand for a more larger stand with better facilities. 

This will keep costs down and stop any protests from the CPO group.

My guess is we might get to 58-59k seats. 

 

 

1 hour ago, strider6004 said:

I have a feeling we will go cut price and re-develop the Shed End to get thousands more seats by demolishing the hotel structure and then the following season re-develop the Mathew Harding stand for a more larger stand with better facilities. 

This will keep costs down and stop any protests from the CPO group.

My guess is we might get to 58-59k seats. 

 

 

They'll re-design both ends for a conversion to safe standing I reckon. That's probably the cheapest and easiest way to get the capacity up, as apparently you can get a 1.8x multiplier of fan numbers for the same footprint. MH capacity I have seen quoted at 10,884, so if that went to 100% safe standing then you could get 19,591 fans in it. Do the same at the Shed End and you're up to 60K+ overall (2x 19,591 with West Stand c13,500 ; East Stand c11,000). Approval for safe standing at football grounds is apparently coming soon from the powers that be ... 

I certainly think the site's dimensions are such that there isn't room to do the pitch orientation other than where it is now ... I'm sure Roman went over it with a fine tooth comb, and his architects basically left the pitch where it is in the grandiose gothic design they came up with ...

 

I thought this was an interesting aerial view of what Roman had approved.

Basically a very asymmetrical design, due to the limitations of the available space. I don't think this was that obvious from the 3D images that were in the media at the time.

Quite a clever design from Herzog and de Meuron to fit a 60K stadium into the Stamford Bridge footprint as it is a significantly smaller area to play with than what was available to Arsenal and Spurs.

39 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

They'll re-design both ends for a conversion to safe standing I reckon. That's probably the cheapest and easiest way to get the capacity up, as apparently you can get a 1.8x multiplier of fan numbers for the same footprint. MH capacity I have seen quoted at 10,884, so if that went to 100% safe standing then you could get 19,591 fans in it. Do the same at the Shed End and you're up to 60K+ overall (2x 19,591 with West Stand c13,500 ; East Stand c11,000). Approval for safe standing at football grounds is apparently coming soon from the powers that be ... 

I certainly think the site's dimensions are such that there isn't room to do the pitch orientation other than where it is now ... I'm sure Roman went over it with a fine tooth comb, and his architects basically left the pitch where it is in the grandiose gothic design they came up with ...

 

 

Sorry I don't follow you. Mathew Harding lower and the shed are safe standing and didn't increase the capacity at all. 

To increase the capacity you would need to add an extra tier to both ends in my opinion with the hotel coming down to do this.

 

15 minutes ago, the real shed end said:

Sorry I don't follow you. Mathew Harding lower and the shed are safe standing and didn't increase the capacity at all. 

To increase the capacity you would need to add an extra tier to both ends in my opinion with the hotel coming down to do this.

 

Ah ok didn't know they'd already put some of that kind of seating in ... rail seating I think they call it. Not been to SB since 2011 and can't recall what it was like back then !

Doesn't sound like they have implemented it in terms of capacity increase though ? I think that might require some sort of government legislation change, which is supposed to be imminent ?

 

This is the graphic I saw on this web site : https://www.safestandingroadshow.co.uk/home

 

So you effectively allow 1.8 fans per "seat" space.

 

Yes definitely need to demolish the hotel at the Shed End.

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On 04/03/2024 at 20:14, The Rising Sun said:

Spurs have gone from £45 million match day revenue to ,£100 million a year .

An extra £55 million a year BUT

they also are repaying a lot every year for the loan to build the stadium.  it's £37 million a year until 2042.

If our new stadium is going to cost £1.5 BILLION to £2 Billion, where's the financial sense in it, even if infrastructure costs don't count against FFP ?.

Has anyone seen figures for the extra income they now get from non mathday events ?

If that is substantial, then that is the only thing that would justify the outlay ?

Basically, this fan is not for moving!🤣

 

 

 

 

 

thats JUST matchday revenue though.

You're not taking into account all the other factors like concerts, gigs, possibly other sports like NFL turning up there which would also be HUGE opportunities to make revenue

A new stadium isn't about number of seats. It's about a better corporate experience and commercial opportunities. 

The number of us fans able to go each week is bottom of the priority list.

On 16/03/2024 at 20:35, Sexyfootball said:

They'll re-design both ends for a conversion to safe standing I reckon. That's probably the cheapest and easiest way to get the capacity up, as apparently you can get a 1.8x multiplier of fan numbers for the same footprint. MH capacity I have seen quoted at 10,884, so if that went to 100% safe standing then you could get 19,591 fans in it. Do the same at the Shed End and you're up to 60K+ overall (2x 19,591 with West Stand c13,500 ; East Stand c11,000). Approval for safe standing at football grounds is apparently coming soon from the powers that be ... 

I certainly think the site's dimensions are such that there isn't room to do the pitch orientation other than where it is now ... I'm sure Roman went over it with a fine tooth comb, and his architects basically left the pitch where it is in the grandiose gothic design they came up with ...

 

 

Safe standing is just standing up in front of your seat at the moment, I don't think it'll ever be like the old packed terraces whatever they do

 

22 hours ago, SHrIT said:

thats JUST matchday revenue though.

You're not taking into account all the other factors like concerts, gigs, possibly other sports like NFL turning up there which would also be HUGE opportunities to make revenue

I know everyone says that but wouldn't the Council be able to put limits on how many events we could hold ?

I haven't looked but I don't recall many concerts being held at say Arsenal, West Ham, etc ? Or what their stadiums bring in with non football events ? Dunno if anyone can provide info on it.

Thanks for your reply mate 

 

 

14 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Safe standing is just standing up in front of your seat at the moment, I don't think it'll ever be like the old packed terraces whatever they do

 

Yes exactly, but apparently this is going to change ... and at that point then more fans would be allowed in the same space. The design of the seats prevents the mass forwards surge that is dangerous for the people at the front (in the old days)

1 minute ago, Sexyfootball said:

Yes exactly, but apparently this is going to change ... and at that point then more fans would be allowed in the same space. The design of the seats prevents the mass forwards surge that is dangerous for the people at the front (in the old days)

I didn't know that, cheers mate.

22 hours ago, SHrIT said:

thats JUST matchday revenue though.

You're not taking into account all the other factors like concerts, gigs, possibly other sports like NFL turning up there which would also be HUGE opportunities to make revenue

 

15 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

I know everyone says that but wouldn't the Council be able to put limits on how many events we could hold ?

I haven't looked but I don't recall many concerts being held at say Arsenal, West Ham, etc ? Or what their stadiums bring in with non football events ? Dunno if anyone can provide info on it.

Thanks for your reply mate 

 

 

Non-football events would bring in more revenue to the club but @The Rising Sun as you say the council could bring in limits to the number of events which could be held at the club especially if there are lots of complaints from local residents. When the Rugby Football Union had Twickenham redeveloped Richmond Council stipulated that it could go ahead on the proviso that the ground could only be used for a maximum number of times in a year. Hammersmith and Fulham Council could also insist on the same.

2 hours ago, Boyne said:

 

Non-football events would bring in more revenue to the club but @The Rising Sun as you say the council could bring in limits to the number of events which could be held at the club especially if there are lots of complaints from local residents. When the Rugby Football Union had Twickenham redeveloped Richmond Council stipulated that it could go ahead on the proviso that the ground could only be used for a maximum number of times in a year. Hammersmith and Fulham Council could also insist on the same.

the council are a bunch of prats then.

Im not too opposed to getting the new build done on that empty earls court site but I dont think thats happening. Only way seems to be to buy up all the land around SB and then rebuild it

10 hours ago, SHrIT said:

the council are a bunch of prats then.

Im not too opposed to getting the new build done on that empty earls court site but I dont think thats happening. Only way seems to be to buy up all the land around SB and then rebuild it

That's probably true of a lot of councils. The Council will no doubt argue that there first obligation is to the residents rather than to the club unless Chelsea can prove that extra events and more people will bring additional revenue to area to ease the inconvenience of road closures. Saying that, given the poor standard of - and the high cost - of food and drink in Stamford Bridge people may want to eat and drink in pubs, cafes etc in the area. It would be nice if as part of the redevelopment of the ground the standard of food and drink improved.

As we all know from looking at the history of Stamford Bridge a number of different sports have been played there with the most recent being American Football in the nineties. American Football has been played at Spurs' stadium and Baseball at West Ham's ground and it may be that there are contracts in place with the governing bodies of those sports to prevent them being played elsewhere in London. As for music events, there may well be restrictions on those especially covering noise limits. As far as I know the only large scale music events place in the area was the Earl's Court Stadium but of course that was in doors.

As for the club moving to Earl's Court, can't see that happening given the demand for more housing in London.

1 hour ago, Boyne said:

That's probably true of a lot of councils. The Council will no doubt argue that there first obligation is to the residents rather than to the club unless Chelsea can prove that extra events and more people will bring additional revenue to area to ease the inconvenience of road closures. Saying that, given the poor standard of - and the high cost - of food and drink in Stamford Bridge people may want to eat and drink in pubs, cafes etc in the area. It would be nice if as part of the redevelopment of the ground the standard of food and drink improved.

As we all know from looking at the history of Stamford Bridge a number of different sports have been played there with the most recent being American Football in the nineties. American Football has been played at Spurs' stadium and Baseball at West Ham's ground and it may be that there are contracts in place with the governing bodies of those sports to prevent them being played elsewhere in London. As for music events, there may well be restrictions on those especially covering noise limits. As far as I know the only large scale music events place in the area was the Earl's Court Stadium but of course that was in doors.

As for the club moving to Earl's Court, can't see that happening given the demand for more housing in London.

Good comments Boyne. As for concerts , what's stopping them being held at The Bridge now ?

Earls Court held just a few thousand but  hosted top bands and concerts. Didn't Main Road host an Oasis concert once or was that at the new place ?

As for the council their duty is to the local ratepayers . That's who vote them in or out ,so keeping them onside is paramount!

11 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Good comments Boyne. As for concerts , what's stopping them being held at The Bridge now ?

Earls Court held just a few thousand but  hosted top bands and concerts. Didn't Main Road host an Oasis concert once or was that at the new place ?

As for the council their duty is to the local ratepayers . That's who vote them in or out ,so keeping them onside is paramount!

Thank you. Good question about concerts at the Bridge. I don't know if the club has approached the club has approached the council about concerts. Perhaps one could be held as a test to gauge responses from local residents.  I think you're right about Oasis hosting a gig at Maine Road. I know that there were concerts in Under The Bridge but I think the last one was a couple of years ago but I could be wrong. I only went to Earl's Court once for a gig and that was to see Bob Dylan in 1981. I think it was the largest indoor venue in London. 

Agree, keeping the council onside is paramount. Could be a few years before the redevelopment of the ground and what it's used for goes ahead and resolved.

There is a guy who drinks in my local pub and he is a West Ham Season ticket holder and when I next see him I'll ask if he knows what the locals think of the use of the London Stadium for sporting events, concerts etc. I saw the Rolling Stones there twice a few years back and can't recall any hassles getting in and out of the ground. A lot easier than getting in and out of Wembley. That's a bloody pain.

2 hours ago, Boyne said:

Thank you. Good question about concerts at the Bridge. I don't know if the club has approached the club has approached the council about concerts. Perhaps one could be held as a test to gauge responses from local residents.  I think you're right about Oasis hosting a gig at Maine Road. I know that there were concerts in Under The Bridge but I think the last one was a couple of years ago but I could be wrong. I only went to Earl's Court once for a gig and that was to see Bob Dylan in 1981. I think it was the largest indoor venue in London. 

Agree, keeping the council onside is paramount. Could be a few years before the redevelopment of the ground and what it's used for goes ahead and resolved.

There is a guy who drinks in my local pub and he is a West Ham Season ticket holder and when I next see him I'll ask if he knows what the locals think of the use of the London Stadium for sporting events, concerts etc. I saw the Rolling Stones there twice a few years back and can't recall any hassles getting in and out of the ground. A lot easier than getting in and out of Wembley. That's a bloody pain.

 

 

 

 under Palace's Holmesdale Rd stand there's a large empty basement where the " Ultras" make and assemble their banners.

It was included when the Stand was built to contain a bowling alley and other entertainment stuff , but Croydon always refused to licence it do it's been unused ever since 

Be a good idea for the club to find out what the council are prepared to allow before we build a new stadium !

Edit. I see Palace were given the go ahead to redevelop Selhurst. Don't know what it involves, or whether it's being done while the stadium is in use.

If they have to share I suppose it would be Charlton . must have a look.

 

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2 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

 

 

 

 under Palace's Holmesdale Rd stand there's a large empty basement where the " Ultras" make and assemble their banners.

It was included when the Stand was built to contain a bowling alley and other entertainment stuff , but Croydon always refused to licence it do it's been unused ever since 

Be a good idea for the club to find out what the council are prepared to allow before we build a new stadium !

Edit. I see Palace were given the go ahead to redevelop Selhurst. Don't know what it involves, or whether it's being done while the stadium is in use.

If they have to share I suppose it would be Charlton . must have a look.

 

Just had a quick look on the Hammersmith and Fulham Council planning page to see if there is anything about the application made a few years back but nothing there. Guess the paperwork was removed when the last application expired. As you say, you would hope the club plans for as much as possible.

5 minutes ago, Boyne said:

Just had a quick look on the Hammersmith and Fulham Council planning page to see if there is anything about the application made a few years back but nothing there. Guess the paperwork was removed when the last application expired. As you say, you would hope the club plans for as much as possible.

Boyne - if you after a link for Roman's planning application documents, here you go ... 179 documents !

https://planningsearch.rbkc.gov.uk/publisher/mvc/listDocuments?identifier=Planning&ref=OB/16/05934 

All the images that were in the media are in there ... 

Is money we spend on a potential stadium related to FFP in anyway?

30 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Boyne - if you after a link for Roman's planning application documents, here you go ... 179 documents !

https://planningsearch.rbkc.gov.uk/publisher/mvc/listDocuments?identifier=Planning&ref=OB/16/05934 

All the images that were in the media are in there ... 

Hi mate. 

Do you know if there's anything in there about using the stadium for events / concerts etc ?

Just read that in Palace's redevelopment which was approved, the chairman of the planning committee is a " fanatical " Palace fan, and the part time mayor is a season ticket holder and benefitted from thousands of pounds worth of hospitality from the club !

That's Croydon for you . This is in no way relevant....... But.Croydon funded an event a few years back called.....( I'm not joking, the info is online)...." De mystifying the Anus" 

You won't believe what it imvolved,  ........

https://insidecroydon.com/2018/09/13/butt-plugs-uncontrolled-sphincters-and-50000-council-grants/

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17 minutes ago, SHrIT said:

Is money we spend on a potential stadium related to FFP in anyway?

Spending on infrastructure isn't included in FFP I think I'm right in saying.

Unless we end up with a retractable pitch like Spurs do then concerts are very difficult to put on. 
Most outdoor concerts happen in the summertime when the grass is growing or being relaid

27 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Hi mate. 

Do you know if there's anything in there about using the stadium for events / concerts etc ?

I would think somewhere there might be ... maybe in the Design & Access statement ?