21 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

If i was to nit pick, i would say the one thing he lacks is intensity. He's very tidy and holds the ball well, but he's somebody that likes to play the game at his own pace. I'm not sure how well that will work here because we need legs in that midfield and more intensity to our game, i also think it needs goals and Loftus-Cheek doesn't seem to have many of them in his game. This is why i would pick Barkley ahead of him at the moment.

I'd say Barkley too but Mason Mount has the momentum from this season. I'd say Mount is ahead of both of them personally.

Edited June 7, 20188 yr by the special one

2 hours ago, ducavis said:

The end product argument is just weird, it’s like judging Ballack/Iniesta on their goal output.

ballack had a 1 goal every 4 games record over his career. that's actually a pretty good record for a mid. his record at international level is nearly 1 in 2. 

i don't think he'd mind be judged on his goal output. 

20 hours ago, the special one said:

Bale's goal/assist average in the Championship at 17 was 0.40 (at left back for Southampton). Kane has been scoring world class goals from his time at youth level. RLC hasn't really done anything, a few tap ins here and there. If we're talking about RLC as an attacking midfielder the standard he needs to reach is set by the likes of Eriksen, Alli, Pogba, Coutinho - he's never shown anything to suggest he'll reach anywhere near that level.

 

And Bale at Tottenham was considered a massive flop. Kane hasn't been scoring world class goals. In fact Tottenham were trying to flog him off before his break out. Kane had a 0.10 goal ratio in has last two loans before Spurs gave him a chance. RLC isn't an attacking mid, you want him picking up the ball deep and driving at the midfield/defence. Compare him to Iniesta and his stats.

7 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

And Bale at Tottenham was considered a massive flop. Kane hasn't been scoring world class goals. In fact Tottenham were trying to flog him off before his break out. Kane had a 0.10 goal ratio in has last two loans before Spurs gave him a chance. RLC isn't an attacking mid, you want him picking up the ball deep and driving at the midfield/defence. Compare him to Iniesta and his stats.

As I said before, irrespective of performances Bale and Kane showed glimpses of their world class potential. Other than demonstrate good tactical awareness what did RLC really do last night? Will you remember his performance, or Rashford's wonder goal?

3 minutes ago, the special one said:

As I said before, irrespective of performances Bale and Kane showed glimpses of their world class potential. Other than demonstrate good tactical awareness what did RLC really do last night? Will you remember his performance, or Rashford's wonder goal?

Please elaborate on Kane world class potential because this is revisionism at its finest to try and make a point. 

4 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Please elaborate on Kane world class potential because this is revisionism at its finest to try and make a point. 

I posted the evidence above, watch the Millwall v Blackpool clip and tell me that isn't potential.

Edited June 8, 20188 yr by the special one

1 minute ago, the special one said:

I posted the evidence above, watch the Millwall v Blackpool clip and tell me that isn't potential.

1 goal from 20 yards out? Oh please...

3 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

1 goal from 20 yards out? Oh please...

The quality of the strike. I think you're missing the point entirely so let's just agree to disagree.

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2 minutes ago, the special one said:

The quality of the strike. We could argue this all day so let's just agree to disagree.

Kane was never showing the potential to perform at the level he currently is right now. Maybe a good Premier League level but not the best striker in the world levels. Why are goals your only measure of a player showing world class potential?

7 minutes ago, the special one said:

The quality of the strike. I think you're missing the point entirely so let's just agree to disagree.

The quality of the strike? Its not like he rockets it into the top right. I probably saw 100 goals better than that in the premier league alone this season. Really are clutching at straws here.

1 minute ago, RIP Mourinho said:

The quality of the strike? Its not like he rockets it into the top right. I probably saw 100 goals better than that in the premier league alone this season. Really are clutching at straws here.

To be fair, the way he has hit that goal does show why he is so good now. Hard, low and in the corner, Kane does this so consistently and it's a big reason why he scores so much. But then you could take moments from Loftus-Cheek cheek yesterday and point to that showing why he can become a world class player  (ability to drive the ball from midfield, beat the first line of pressing and link up play in a similar style to Hazard).

1 minute ago, Total-Football said:

To be fair, the way he has hit that goal does show why he is so good now. Hard, low and in the corner, Kane does this so consistently and it's a big reason why he scores so much. But then you could take moments from Loftus-Cheek cheek yesterday and point to that showing why he can become a world class player  (ability to drive the ball from midfield, beat the first line of pressing and link up play in a similar style to Hazard).

Is that it? Oh wow what a player. So does Mario at West Ham. What else does he have? Have you seen RLC do this?

 

3 minutes ago, the special one said:

Is that it? Oh wow what a player. So does Mario at West Ham. What else does he have? Have you seen RLC do this?

 

You don't need every player in the team to be able to shoot from range, having a player who can successfully set up attacks is just as important as having players that can finish them off.

I thought he did a RLC classic yesterday. Drifted through the game and didn't really do anything special. Holding off a few players & not losing the ball isn't really good enough tbh.

Why is it an either/or for you? Mount and Loftus-Cheek can both be given chances at Chelsea.

Game highlights for anybody interested.

 

9 minutes ago, the special one said:

Is that it? Oh wow what a player. So does Mario at West Ham. What else does he have? Have you seen RLC do this?

 

Find me someone who can drift past players as effortless as this. Quite clear you just have an agenda against RLC at this point. 

 

This RLC v Mount thing is quite something!!

I hope that BOTH will be given a chance - it would be great to see BOTH playing in the same Chelsea first team along with CHO. All do look good enough, it's just a case of whether they can maintain the progression and find consistency.

RLC is clearly ahead at this moment and is a Full England International and has a decent PL behind him, but he does has three years on Mount and if I'm honest, if I had to put money on who will become the better overall player, it would be Mount. But there is room for Both!

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I like loftus cheek, he doesn't play like his size and even nationality would suggest. 

He is still very inexperienced though, having spent far too much time on the bench. 

He is still finding out what type of player he is, I don't think he has urgency to play defensive midfield, but if he is to establish himself as the more attacking player in a man midfield, he does need to produce that final killer ball, or score a few more himself. 

He has a lot going for him though, great touch, awareness, passing is good, and he's obviously physically blessed. 

I would to see him under a manager like sarri playing regularly, as I think his game could explode. 

Mount looks a special player aswell, personally I'd have them both in the squad next season, but I think that is unlikely with Barkley here, who I don't think is better than either of them. 

27 minutes ago, rtwelch said:

I thought he did a RLC classic yesterday. Drifted through the game and didn't really do anything special. Holding off a few players & not losing the ball isn't really good enough tbh.

He linked up well with the team all game long. Especially at the beginning, lots of play quick passing with Rashford. He holds the ball very well, brings it forward, plays simple passes to release teammates. Sure he could add more to his game, I'd like to see him score more, but he's still young, he's shown enough for me to warrant a real go here next season, with either Drinkwater or Bakayoko or both making way for him.

46 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Find me someone who can drift past players as effortless as this. Quite clear you just have an agenda against RLC at this point.

Coutinho, Alexis Sanchez, Messi, Pogba, Fekir, Dybala

What do they all have in common? Goals/assists.
 

Edited June 8, 20188 yr by the special one

If we are talking about goals outside the area,

Man City only scored 13 goals outside the area this season, from 106 goals. Liverpool 9 from 84. Arguably the two most successful teams this season. 

Man Utd scored 13 from 68, Tottenham 11 from 74, we scored 10 from 62. 

 

City have showed - and football has been moving this way generally for decades, goals from outside the area are not the key to winning games. Getting the ball into key positions where you can score is important. 

 

And in my opinion, both RLC and Mount can deliver that. Regardless of how accurate their shots from 30 yards are. 

He does need to be more aggressive with his passing.

34 passed made, 34 of them are completed. 100% yesterday.

6 hours ago, the special one said:

Coutinho, Alexis Sanchez, Messi, Pogba, Fekir, Dybala

What do they all have in common? Goals/assists.
 

And they're all world class established attackers. Find me some young box to box CM's with this ability.

6 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

And they're all world class established attackers. Find me some young box to box CM's with this ability.

Ndombele, Ceballos, Kovacic, Rafinha