2 minutes ago, the special one said:

 

 

Kasey Palmer and Baker have scored a hat full of better goals are they going to be world class?

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16 minutes ago, PedroMendez said:

Kasey Palmer has scored some much better goals I he going to be world class?

Maybe he will? The point I'm trying to make is that if Loftus-Cheek is ever to become world class he needs to add that to his game. At the mo he just seems to amble around without doing anything, Musonda is the same - they play football but they don't consistently influence games like top players do. It's good enough for a team like Palace, not for a team with hopes of a top 4 place.

I'm happy if he plays next season, I just don't have high expectations about where we'll finish if he does.

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If we choose RLC over Mount it would be like choosing Oscar over KDB again.

6 minutes ago, the special one said:

Maybe he will? The point I'm trying to make is that if Loftus-Cheek is ever to become world class he needs to add that to his game. At the mo he just seems to amble around without doing anything, Musonda is the same - they play football but they don't really influence games like top players do. It's good enough for a team like Palace, not for a team with hopes of a top 4 place.

I'm happy if he plays next season, I just don't have high expectations about where we'll finish if he does.

I do agree his end product is lacking and if he wants to be an elite level player it does need to improve. It is also why I think he is better as a maurading 8 than playing any further forward. 

10 minutes ago, Argo said:

If we choose RLC over Mount it would be like choosing Oscar over KDB again.

Hopefully there I room for both EL football should allow for fringe players to get a good amount of game time.

Can’t even see the goal properly but I’ll presume it’s a great goal. 

I have never heard of anyone tipping Harry Kane to become the next great English striker, not like Rooney who everybody knew would go on to be a world class player.

He surprised me and now I regard him as one of the world’s best strikers.

17 minutes ago, Argo said:

If we choose RLC over Mount it would be like choosing Oscar over KDB again.

How come Mount isn’t going to World Cup if he’s better than RLC?

Hes been training with the England first team too.

Its probably because he hasn’t played in Premier League.

15 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

How come Mount isn’t going to World Cup if he’s better than RLC?

Hes been training with the England first team too.

Its probably because he hasn’t played in Premier League.

If we base it on WC squads then Fellaini's better than Naingolan.

3 hours ago, the special one said:

He'll never be a De Bruyne imho, unlike De Bruyne/Bale/Kane/Ballack/Salah/Pogba/etc he's never demonstrated at any level he has that kind of ability.

You could easily argue that age 22 Ballack, DeBruyne were in the same position as RLC is. Pogba ofcourse had a quick rise but has since stalled. I see no reason why RLC cant achieve as much success in his career as say Ballack.

9 minutes ago, Orpington_Blue said:

You could easily argue that age 22 Ballack, DeBruyne were in the same position as RLC is. Pogba ofcourse had a quick rise but has since stalled. I see no reason why RLC cant achieve as much success in his career as say Ballack.

If that's the standard of today's prospects then maybe you're right. The difference between RLC and Pogba, Ballack, De Bruyne is they were all showing glimpses of world class quality before they were 20, Pogba and Ballack were banging in 30 yarders at 17/18 for example - that's what I mean when I say RLC doesn't have that quality.

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2 minutes ago, the special one said:

If that's the standard of today's prospects then maybe you're right. The difference between Pogba, Ballack and De Bruyne is they were all showing glimpses of world class quality before they were 20, Pogba and Ballack were banging in 30 yarders at 17/18 for example - that's what I mean when I say RLC doesn't have that quality.



As I said, Pogba is a different case sure. Ballack was no where in his career at the age of 22.

Anyway, my reference to DeBruyne was more to make the point of benching (and then losing) a player that could be in out first 11 in a couple of years. Not necessarily meant to be a reference to the quality / potential of RLC.

Starting for England in 35 mins.

3 hours ago, Argo said:

If we choose RLC over Mount it would be like choosing Oscar over KDB again.

Why not both? 

RLC has proved himself in Crystal Palace, we should keep him and then when Mount will continue to prove himself like he did this season, keep them both as our players and even starters. Two great players from our academy.

He starts!!! Come on show everybody how good you are!

1 minute ago, IliyaKrostin said:

Why not both? 

RLC has proved himself in Crystal Palace, we should keep him and then when Mount will continue to prove himself like he did this season, keep them both as our players and even starters. Two great players from our academy.

Both is fine, i just feel it would be a massive mistake if we tried so hard with him we lose Mason in the process.

3 hours ago, PedroMendez said:

I do agree his end product is lacking and if he wants to be an elite level player it does need to improve. It is also why I think he is better as a maurading 8 than playing any further forward. 

Hopefully there I room for both EL football should allow for fringe players to get a good amount of game time.

Hopefully room for both as you say, personally I'd be happy to see RLC start in league matches. I think the EL is our best chance of qualifying for the CL next year so imho we should save our best XI for that competition. Premier League we should be looking to just get to 40pts and then reassess (assuming no significant investment this summer)

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Playing well so far. Confident on the ball, nice quick passing. Everything Bakayoko can't do.

1 minute ago, Zeta said:

Playing well so far. Confident on the ball, nice quick passing. Everything Bakayoko can't do.

He's playing further up than Bakayoko isn't it? May be mistaken but I don't think RLC is a #6 (the same position as Jordan Henderson)

4 minutes ago, the special one said:

He's playing further up than Bakayoko isn't it? May be mistaken but I don't think RLC is a #6 (the same position as Jordan Henderson)

yeah he's played RW for Palace, though he was a CM before that, I think he's better suited to CM personally

He oozes class for me. Always looking for the ball and making a pass. Really hope he gets a chance for us or I can see him ending up at someone like City for £80 million in a few years. 

Poor reaction from Ruben from that corner. Other than that he's made up for with tactical intelligence/discipline. Solid performance.

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What a f**king pass Hendo, haha c**t

3 hours ago, Orpington_Blue said:

You could easily argue that age 22 Ballack, DeBruyne were in the same position as RLC is. Pogba ofcourse had a quick rise but has since stalled. I see no reason why RLC cant achieve as much success in his career as say Ballack.

Pogba had a quick rise because he can attempt longshots and other tricks knowing that he had Pirlo, Vidal, Chiellini, Bonucci and Buffon etc at their peak to cover for him if he messes up. Ballack was something special though.

I agree on RLC. He should be given an opportunity to shine.

Good performance by him, the way he protects the ball is fantastic, I think there was no player to stop him without a foul.

He also seems like a very good tactical player, very happy to see him playing in that way.

5 hours ago, PedroMendez said:

I do agree his end product is lacking and if he wants to be an elite level player it does need to improve. It is also why I think he is better as a maurading 8 than playing any further forward. 

Hopefully there I room for both EL football should allow for fringe players to get a good amount of game time.

The end product argument is just weird, it’s like judging Ballack/Iniesta on their goal output.

What he has which no one in England’s midfield does is the ability to carry the ball/link up play with the forward players. For me he should be starting.

If i was to nit pick, i would say the one thing he lacks is intensity. He's very tidy and holds the ball well, but he's somebody that likes to play the game at his own pace. I'm not sure how well that will work here because we need legs in that midfield and more intensity to our game, i also think it needs goals and Loftus-Cheek doesn't seem to have many of them in his game. This is why i would pick Barkley ahead of him at the moment.