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Chelsea V Bournemouth (PL) 05/12/15 KO: 17:30 BST

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Strengthening the squad is one thing we didn't do ,but what is the point in spending a fortune on our academy if it's aim isn't to strengthen our squad. This isn't a computer game where all you have to do is try to buy the best. My point is, if Jose is such a great coach why isn't he bringing this "raw" talent through. That's what coaching is all about.

Players are more worried about their online market profile than putting a fight...JM is a grandiose who thinks he created chelsea... Well DM won rhe champions league and fat benitez win europa league...and ....

We were one penalty kick away from winning a f**king champions league title with no manager and yet it's all José's fault that we couldn't beat Bournmouth. Okay. Fine. Makes perfect sense

 

Well then, if the manager's role is so insignificant, then why holding onto Mourinho?

Don't know how much Jose had to do with not strengthening the squad over the Summer. Seems to me he wasn't happy with the way the Board went about its transfer business - and with good reason as it turns out.

Spending or not spending, we are still a couple of points over relegation spots. It has never happened before and the situation doesn't add up.

I have a crazy theory along the lines of Jose building his success around his aura of invincibility i.e, the special one. Most managers knew they were no match for him even before the game started, kind of like with Floyd & his undefeated record. Once we lost Jose's undefeated at home record, the myth disappeared and we have been in free fall since. Well it is s crazy theory.

Thanks PloKoon13 and Carefree92, I was not aware of the under 21 rule :smile:

 

Bring Bamford back from Palace then, give him a 6-10 game run. Or give Tammy Abraham a run of games, the guy cant stop scoring.

I can't answer it. I wanted Remy to start today. Whoever made the Falcao decision needs to be shot. Didn't they watch him at united last year?

Anyone who saw Remy at Newcastle could see that he was a box goal poacher. This is exactly what we need now - and why we bought him. If Costa fancies himself as some tractor powered Tierry Henry then let him play out of the box and put Remy on as well.

And here is my other gripe, what's wrong with occasionally playing 2 up front. Remember Ancelotti playing Drogba, Anelka and Kalou to great effect. 2010 was the best football I'd ever seen at the Bridge.

Edited by Petworth Chelsea Fan

Anyone who saw Remy at Newcastle could see that he was a box goal poacher. This is exactly what we need now - and why we bought him. If Costa fancies himself as some tractor powered Tierry Henry then let him play out of the box and put Remy on as well.

And here is my other gripe, what's wrong with occasionally playing 2 up front. Remember Ancelotti playing Drogba, Anelka and Kalou to great effect. 2010 was the best football I'd ever seen at the Bridge.

Carlo had a cohesive plan to play two upfront but Jose doesn't, taking off Matic & Rahman and throwing one 2 extra forwards was nuts. We were more likely to concede a 2nd than score as we had no control in the middle of the park.

He's lost interest and yet willing to cough out ~500M of his hard earned cash to build the club a new stadium so the club can compete with the elites across europe. Kek

 

That may just represent a good investment. 

I used to quite enjoy games where we had 30 minutes to win the match while the other team sat back and tried to hold on for a draw. We used to throw absolutely everything at them and even if we didn't get the winner in the end, it would always have me on the edge of my seat and that's what football is about. However, there was not one point in that game yesterday where I truly believed we were going to score, because this team has the "no balls" syndrome that Mourinho prescribed the team in March 2014 after the Palace defeat. We are absolutely toothless in attack and the Ivanovic "shot" in the late stages which nearly went out for a throw in was a slap in the face to the fans that paid ridiculous money to watch that absolute shambles, as it showed the 40,000+ just how little effort their was on the part of the boys in blue.

In conclusion, I have to admit that I seriously worry for Cesc Fabregas. Maybe the fact that he's playing poorly is to the credit of the other teams and they've found a way to completely nullify everything he was previously good at... But I seriously doubt it. I worry for his career in such a way that if this season is his last at Chelsea, I can only really imagine his next stop being a second tier side somewhere, or in the UAE, because my goodness he is utterly woeful

Kind of amusing to see Claudio riding high with a squad of no-hopers. If they're still up there at Xmas, plenty of PL clubs will be scratching their heads. Riyad Mahrez £350K? Nice. Try shopping in Aldi instead of Harrods why don't you.

Triumphant return to SB? Oh no. surely not 

The big problem this season is Costa, his poor form is piling on the pressure to the rest of the team.

If Torres were to play as badly as Costa has this season the abuse would be relentless!

The choice for Jose & the board is do they stick with the current striking options or do they break the bank for a top class striker to solve this goal scoring crisis?

Also with regards to bringing through the younger players, unfortunately this really isn't the right time, it could seriously damage their careers.

 

I agree with the Costa thoughts, however playing some of the kids that have played in the Prem and CL won't be damaging their careers, if anything the opposite might happen especially if we start getting a couple of good results, after all they can'y be any worse than the shower of sh*te we have been watching so far.

The most worrying thing I saw in yesterday's game was certainly that late 'attack' where we got one player in their box while they had a keeper and five players back. And as the camera pulled out I saw two more of their players sprinting back in and finally a third Chelsea player (albeit too late by then).

 

Kind of amusing to see Claudio riding high with a squad of no-hopers. If they're still up there at Xmas, plenty of PL clubs will be scratching their heads. Riyad Mahrez £350K? Nice. Try shopping in Aldi instead of Harrods why don't you.
Triumphant return to SB? Oh no. surely not 

 

 

That's the thing, try to tell the people who want to shop for a bunch of new players about what the tinkerman's leicester are doing at the moment... we'll be playing them shortly and for someone who doesn't follow footie that much would be hugely surprised to see both clubs position, is that some kind of blunder from the media? sure it isn't the other way around? lol..

 

For once I kind of backing leicester to do it, it would be 1 hell of an achievement, as for us, 2nd CL trophy would soften the blow.. 

Personally, this result could have been a far more depressing experience than it actually was, but fortunately I have long since been resigned to failure in the Premiership this season and yet another defeat in it simply rolls off, like water on a duck’s back. Obviously, this degree of acquiescence does not sit comfortably with many of the new breed of supporters, but it does mean that I don’t have to trawl through the Shed End match chat posts to feel the pain expressed in some quarters and the ease of assessment and calmness shown in others. For instance, splishplosh will probably have crowed at least three times before denying any betrayal of Chelsea’s cause [by predicting this setback] while Chippy on the other hand will doubtless have been as loyal as ever in the face of mocking rebuke from the incandescent and increasingly disillusioned brethren. Two sides to a very predictable coinage and at this stage in a non-existent title race you can pay your money and take your choice of argument. Here’s mine…

 

A match easily billed as a battle between extremes, Champions versus Promoted Underdogs, Haves against Have-Nots, the Evil Jose against the Up And Coming Eddie, was in truth a contest between two sides playing the game the way it should be played, both good exponents of the art, yet under pressure due to respective fragile confidence and lengthy injury list. However, to my mind it was always going to be best described as The Clash of the Luckless and, as it turned out, we won that hands down… in a penalty area… or flag down in an offside position - as I said, you pays your money and you take your choice. Then again, what do Chelsea fans really expect when we’re weighed down by a burden of expectation that was never going to be placed on the opposition? 

 

Well, to be honest, we should have had sufficient quality to have coped with the situation and many anticipated us doing so, but we didn’t and Jose must take responsibility for not setting enough problems on the pitch and for being far too predictable when confronting fresh-faced managerial talent that had previously plotted courses through three divisions of the Football League. In many ways a false nine at WHL led to a false impression at the Bridge, where a similar hunt in packs policy to Pochettino’s saw Bournemouth win plenty of second ball in the first half and just enough in the second to hold on for victory. Unlike at Spurs, where the home team had a debilitating Europa League campaign cutting into their oxygen supply, here the opposition knew exactly what it would take to spoil our plans, best laid with a Costa or without, and to make matters worse the goal came at just the right time to rejuvenate them and kick us firmly in the teeth.

 

Of course, all this begs the question not of Howe, but where does Jose go from here? And the answer lies not in his post match admittance that "Before this game it was realistic to think that our quality would take us out of this position, but maybe now we have to think about top six." but in the statement he made back in September, when he said the following:-

 

"If the season goes in one direction, that it becomes closed and we can't win [trophies], I will go just with the kids. It makes no sense, when you have nothing to win, to play the older players. I'll play the players we're waiting for instead. I can arrive in a moment where I will look to the kids and say, 'Let's go. Non-stop.' I am ruthless.

 

But at the moment everything is open. It's difficult to win the Premier League, but possible. It's difficult to win the Champions League, but possible. It's difficult to win the [domestic] cups, but possible."

 

And it will be difficult to be true to these words, but possible. No room for prevarication now Jose, and please no [still-in-Champions-League-and-a-domestic cup] bolthole scurrying. Play the old guard in Europe by all means, but the Premiership’s unreachable stage has been reached, the young players are waiting, we’re waiting. Let’s go, non-stop with them and show faith in the ability they undoubtedly have, as witnessed as recently as a couple of days ago in the Under-21 team against Celtic. Take the plunge, play Kenedy, RLC, Traore and Aina from start to finish in games and whilst you are at it shove in the likes of Colkett, Musonda and Palmer as a Christmas present to us all. Bring back Ake, Christensen, Kalas, Bamford, Solanke, Swift and Baker from loan in January and, if a signing or two is made, make it Duncan Whatmore, just to emphasise the new strategy and its importance to the club. 

 

After all is said [and hopefully done] these are your words and if you stick by them the older generation of fans wont hesitate to support you, as they have been through the bad times before - some of us even remember Tommy Doc pursuing a similar play-the-kids policy over fifty years ago. Naturally, those who have only known success may not be quite so understanding, but they offer little [except a sell/buy/sack strategy] by way of alternative and you have few options left to turn to anyway. Repetition in terms of team selection certainly isn’t one of them… but evolution is. 

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Edited by Dorset

 

Personally, this result could have been a far more depressing experience than it actually was, but fortunately I have long since been resigned to failure in the Premiership this season and yet another defeat in it simply rolls off, like water on a duck’s back. Obviously, this degree of acquiescence does not sit comfortably with many of the new breed of supporters, but it does mean that I don’t have to trawl through the Shed End match chat posts to feel the pain expressed in some quarters and the ease of assessment and calmness shown in others. For instance, splishplosh will probably have crowed at least three times before denying any betrayal of Chelsea’s cause [by predicting this setback] while Chippy on the other hand will doubtless have been as loyal as ever in the face of mocking rebuke from the incandescent and increasingly disillusioned brethren. Two sides to a very predictable coinage and at this stage in a non-existent title race you can pay your money and take your choice of argument. Here’s mine…
 
A match easily billed as a battle between extremes, Champions versus Promoted Underdogs, Haves against Have-Nots, the Evil Jose against the Up And Coming Eddie, was in truth a contest between two sides playing the game the way it should be played, both good exponents of the art, yet under pressure due to respective fragile confidence and lengthy injury list. However, to my mind it was always going to be best described as The Clash of the Luckless and, as it turned out, we won that hands down… in a penalty area… or flag down in an offside position - as I said, you pays your money and you take your choice. Then again, what do Chelsea fans really expect when we’re weighed down by a burden of expectation that was never going to be placed on the opposition? 
 
Well, to be honest, we should have had sufficient quality to have coped with the situation and many anticipated us doing so, but we didn’t and Jose must take responsibility for not setting enough problems on the pitch and for being far too predictable when confronting fresh-faced managerial talent that had previously plotted courses through three divisions of the Football League. In many ways a false nine at WHL led to a false impression at the Bridge, where a similar hunt in packs policy to Pochettino’s saw Bournemouth win plenty of second ball in the first half and just enough in the second to hold on for victory. Unlike at Spurs, where the home team had a debilitating Europa League campaign cutting into their oxygen supply, here the opposition knew exactly what it would take to spoil our plans, best laid with a Costa or without, and to make matters worse the goal came at just the right time to rejuvenate them and kick us firmly in the teeth.
 
Of course, all this begs the question not of Howe, but where does Jose go from here? And the answer lies not in his post match admittance that "Before this game it was realistic to think that our quality would take us out of this position, but maybe now we have to think about top six." but in the statement he made back in September, when he said the following:-
 
"If the season goes in one direction, that it becomes closed and we can't win [trophies], I will go just with the kids. It makes no sense, when you have nothing to win, to play the older players. I'll play the players we're waiting for instead. I can arrive in a moment where I will look to the kids and say, 'Let's go. Non-stop.' I am ruthless.
 
But at the moment everything is open. It's difficult to win the Premier League, but possible. It's difficult to win the Champions League, but possible. It's difficult to win the [domestic] cups, but possible."
 
And it will be difficult to be true to these words, but possible. No room for prevarication now Jose, and please no [still-in-Champions-League-and-a-domestic cup] bolthole scurrying. Play the old guard in Europe by all means, but the Premiership’s unreachable stage has been reached, the young players are waiting, we’re waiting. Let’s go, non-stop with them and show faith in the ability they undoubtedly have, as witnessed as recently as a couple of days ago in the Under-21 team against Celtic. Take the plunge, play Kenedy, RLC, Traore and Aina from start to finish in games and whilst you are at it shove in the likes of Colkett, Musonda and Palmer as a Christmas present to us all. Bring back Ake, Christensen, Kalas, Bamford, Solanke, Swift and Baker from loan in January and, if a signing or two is made, make it Duncan Whatmore, just to emphasise the new strategy and its importance to the club. 
 
After all is said [and hopefully done] these are your words and if you stick by them the older generation of fans wont hesitate to support you, as they have been through the bad times before - some of us even remember Tommy Doc pursuing a similar play-the-kids policy over fifty years ago. Naturally, those who have only known success may not be quite so understanding, but they offer little [except a sell/buy/sack strategy] by way of alternative and you have few options left to turn to anyway. Repetition in terms of team selection certainly isn’t one of them… but evolution is. 
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A fine entry ... I too think that JM now needs to be bolder in his selection/tactics given that our PL season is over! Have thought that for a while really. Which incidentally, is possible without wanting to sack the man! 

Watching the game from MHL yesterday I was looking at a spectacle of 11:

1. Not suited to produce as a team

2.each player is doing his own plan

3. Casual brainless skillful passing

4. Too many duels not won properly

5.trying to cross the ball to a ghost striker.

6. No reposition in 18 yrds for fear of losing the ball

Watching the game from MHL yesterday I was looking at a spectacle of 11:

1. Not suited to produce as a team

2.each player is doing his own plan

3. Casual brainless skillful passing

4. Too many duels not won properly

5.trying to cross the ball to a ghost striker.

6. No reposition in 18 yrds for fear of losing the ball

 

No 6 is likely to be the main concern, far too static in the final 3rd for the players without the ball and far too timid for the player with the ball with their predictable passing..  I want to credit bournemouth for their defending but honestly, we made it way too easier for them or anyone this season..  

 

The fear for losing possession needs to go away, I reckon the prospect of being hammered by jose if they lose possession in the final 3rd is what disturbing the players to showcase their real ability.. 

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