There is a pre season friendly for all the loaniies at cobham in the u21 pre season friendly's

Are they playing against one another.

Are they playing against one another.

 

Bergerac apparently (Sat 16th July)

http://www.chelseafc.com/news/latest-news/2016/06/academy-friendlies-announced.html

 

In other news Stipe Perica has been sold to Udinese for a reported £3m

Whats the point of playing an second amatuer division team.

 

The loanees are mostly regular starters of bench player for decent sized clubs around europe.

What big game did Hector prove himself in?

 

Played really well against Arsenal in the FA Cup semi final in 2015 at Wembley, so under the logic many are using for Kalas on here, he deserves a chance. Furthermore its one game, Akinfenwa also had a stormer of a game against Liverpool, does he deserve a Premier League chance? After all we need a new forward ;)

 

It is really hilarious the double standards regarding Kalas/Bamford-Papy/Hector, i sometimes wonder if the former two have revealing pictures of half our fan base having a massive group orgy.

It helped that Rooney was out for few more weeks and Martial was needed to play on the left, and he's proven to be good enough since, Kalas hasn't, he had a loan at Koln were he never got a game and is a backup for Boro, if he was a Boro owned player and we were getting linked with his signing, the fans would have a meltdown and put him in the same category as Papy and Hector.

 

Rashford proved himself in the Utd squad, not sent out on loan where he could have easily failed. If Kalas was given a run and not shipped out the story could easily have been different. 

Rashford proved himself in the Utd squad, not sent out on loan where he could have easily failed. If Kalas was given a run and not shipped out the story could easily have been different. 

 

You could apply the exact same logic to 90% of our loanees.

You could apply the exact same logic to 90% of our loanees.

 

Exactly. This is what is wrong with our loan system.

Ha aye ok Jon.

If he is sold then it's clear our 3 mangers didn't rate him.

Jose didn't play him

Hiddink sent him on loan

And now if Conte (who will be aware of all our players and a wide number of other players) doesn't choose to keep him then that means the 3 don't rate him.

How else would you like to paint that picture?

 

The article wasn't about Chelsea WANTING to ship him out, but about Werder Bremen very much wanting him back.

 

Fact is the guy proved himself at Werder and was among the best in the league in the second half of the Bundesliga.

 

Instead of acknowledging he did well, but maybe its best for him to move on, Chelsea fans like yourself decide that denigrating the player is the preferred option. But why am I surprised? You guys lambasted the guy without ever having seen him play.

Exactly. This is what is wrong with our loan system.

 

A lot of loanees seem to be doing very well based on gametime, impact or stats. The loan system need not inherently be wrong.

 

The problem with the system is that even if a player does well on loan (are we even monitoring the players?), its not like they are then given the opportunity to break into the first team. Instead we spend ten of millions on outside talent like Zouma, Kenedy, Baba. 

 

Over the past several years the only loanee I can think off that was loaned away and then given something of a chance back at the club is Bertrand Traore. We really need to break this logic. Not only will it save us tens of millions, but it also might be the better mid-term strategy.

Edited June 17, 201610 yr by Jon Stakes

The article wasn't about Chelsea WANTING to ship him out, but about Werder Bremen very much wanting him back.

Fact is the guy proved himself at Werder and was among the best in the league in the second half of the Bundesliga.

Instead of acknowledging he did well, but maybe its best for him to move on, Chelsea fans like yourself decide that denigrating the player is the preferred option. But why am I surprised? You guys lambasted the guy without ever having seen him play.

What have I said that is wrong?

It's more than obvious Jose and Hiddink didn't rate him at all thus didn't play him then punted him out on loan.

It doesn't matter one but if Werder want him back as he is our player so if he's sold that's the third manager in a row that doesn't rate him.

No need to get all defensive about it, he's a bang average defender Jon.

It doesn't matter one but if Werder want him back as he is our player so if he's sold that's the third manager in a row that doesn't rate him.

No need to get all defensive about it, he's a bang average defender Jon.

 

And your basing your assessment on what? Mourinho prowess for talent spotting? ROTFL. Chelsea's excellent player loan development policy? ROTFL. The games he played for Chelsea? ROTFL.

As for Hiddink - by that time Djilobodji was already a victim of Chelsea politics. 

 

Fact is he was one of the best defenders in the 3rd best league in the world during his brief stint (Bundesliga) and one of the best defenders in the 5th best league in the world (Ligue 1). How this makes him an average defender is mindboggling. He has outperformed all the expectations of Werder Bremen fans and saved them from relegation. He also outperformed Christensen in the same leagu, who now everyone in Chelsea wants to play for the first team. There is some very weird bias against Djilobodji who for no fault of his own has been disowned since day one by Chelsea fans. 

 

I don't know if Conte will give him a chance. Hopefully he will, because IMO (from watching many Senegal games) he's better than Koulibaly / Rudiger and wouldn't cost 40 mln EUR. For now chances are Conte is focused on the Euro and hasn't even started thinking about Chelsea fringe players.

Edited June 17, 201610 yr by Jon Stakes

And your basing your assessment on what? Mourinho prowess for talent spotting? ROTFL. Chelsea's excellent player loan development policy? ROTFL. The games he played for Chelsea? ROTFL.

As for Hiddink - by that time Djilobodji was already a victim of Chelsea politics.

Fact is he was one of the best defenders in the 3rd best league in the world during his brief stint (Bundesliga) and one of the best defenders in the 5th best league in the world (Ligue 1). How this makes him an average defender is mindboggling. He has outperformed all the expectations of Werder Bremen fans and saved them from relegation. He also outperformed Christensen in the same leagu, who now everyone in Chelsea wants to play for the first team. There is some very weird bias against Djilobodji who for no fault of his own has been disowned since day one by Chelsea fans.

I don't know if Conte will give him a chance. Hopefully he will, because IMO (from watching many Senegal games) he's better than Koulibaly / Rudiger and wouldn't cost 40 mln EUR. For now chances are Conte is focused on the Euro and hasn't even started thinking about Chelsea fringe players.

Jon the point still stands, two of our managers didn't rate the guy.

Mourinho has brought plenty talent to Chelsea in his two spells and has a CV to back it up so ROTFL all you like the facts remain the people in charge of this club didn't rate the lad and punted him on loan.

IF he is sold it will be 3 high level managers who know more about the guy than you, me and everyone on here combined who don't rate him.

I have no doubts you will still be in denial and continue preaching this guy is the love child of Maldini.

Jon the point still stands, two of our managers didn't rate the guy.

Mourinho has brought plenty talent to Chelsea in his two spells and has a CV to back it up so ROTFL all you like the facts remain the people in charge of this club didn't rate the lad and punted him on loan.

IF he is sold it will be 3 high level managers who know more about the guy than you, me and everyone on here combined who don't rate him.

I have no doubts you will still be in denial and continue preaching this guy is the love child of Maldini.

I don't think Mourinho even considered him.  He'd never seen him play when signed.  I don't think he could have made an accurate decision on the players current or future ability.  In all seriousness Jon has probably seen him play more than Mourinho, though there is obvious bias, I'm only going to count 1 manager as not rating him so far.  Mourinho based his decision of absolutely nothing, as his style and it works for him most of the time.

I don't think Mourinho even considered him. He'd never seen him play when signed. I don't think he could have made an accurate decision on the players current or future ability. In all seriousness Jon has probably seen him play more than Mourinho, though there is obvious bias, I'm only going to count 1 manager as not rating him so far. Mourinho based his decision of absolutely nothing, as his style and it works for him most of the time.

That's plain assumption.

Jose will have watched him, he trained with the squad on a daily basis. If he was good enough he would have come in at some point. Both Gus and Jose didn't think he was at the level required.

I would trust people who have experience and a background in player performance and development to judge a player than some random boy on an internet forum.

Just my take on it.

That's plain assumption.

Jose will have watched him, he trained with the squad on a daily basis. If he was good enough he would have come in at some point. Both Gus and Jose didn't think he was at the level required.

I would trust people who have experience and a background in player performance and development to judge a player than some random boy on an internet forum.

Just my take on it.

He'd never seen him and didn't give him a chance.  My bet he is still yet to see him play 90 minutes.  Training is entirely different to a game

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3230709/Jose-Mourinho-reveals-signed-Papy-Djilobodji-recommendation-Chelsea-boss-admits-3m-deal-not-choice.html 

He'd never seen him and didn't give him a chance. My bet he is still yet to see him play 90 minutes. Training is entirely different to a game

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3230709/Jose-Mourinho-reveals-signed-Papy-Djilobodji-recommendation-Chelsea-boss-admits-3m-deal-not-choice.html

Why did he not give him a chance? He saw plenty of him in training. If a player doesn't impress they don't play. How else do you think the manager determines who plays for the upcoming games?

If you would rather take the word of a guy on here than professional managers and coaches in the game for many years then that's up to you.

There is a reason he was punted so quickly on loan, it's the classic case of buy cheap...loan and sell for a profit which we have done for the past few years.

If Jose, Carlo and now Conte don't think he is good enough then he's not good enough simple as that.

We all dont like him because were all racist, isnt that right Jon.

Why did he not give him a chance? He saw plenty of him in training. If a player doesn't impress they don't play. How else do you think the manager determines who plays for the upcoming games?

If you would rather take the word of a guy on here than professional managers and coaches in the game for many years then that's up to you.

There is a reason he was punted so quickly on loan, it's the classic case of buy cheap...loan and sell for a profit which we have done for the past few years.

If Jose, Carlo and now Conte don't think he is good enough then he's not good enough simple as that.

 

My last say on the issue:

Jose played Ivanovic, Matic or Hazard up until he was fired. If this was based on 'how they performed in training' then well... Honestly Mourinho's stubborn approach last season absolutely downgrades any credibility he has at player management / player assessment. As good a manager he is, Mourinho's player assessment was terrible last season, so what he thinks or does not think means absolutely nothing to me. 

 

As for Hiddink: The guy was brought in to see the season through and he used the low risk option playing Mikel and co. Testing new options in defence may just not have been within his scope of interest. As mentioned Hiddink didn't come for a revolution, therefore dumping Zouma / Cahill / Ivanovic / Terry for Djilobodji likely never even occured to him.

 

As for Conte: The guy hasn't even been in Chelsea for a single day, so we can't assume anything with regards to him and putting him into the equation is just pointless. If anyone is discussing Djilobodji's move to Werder it ain't Conte, but club officials. And for now all we know is that Werder is interested in buying Djilobodji, not that Chelsea are trying to sell him.

 

So overall you have jumped the gun on this and made preassumptions on something that hasn't even happened yet, just to jab at Djilobodji. And that's what I don't get. I get you don't rate him, but the incessant need to attack him is just befuddling.., 

 

BTW: Who the hell is Carlo? Ancelotti? What the hell does he have to do with this?

Edited June 17, 201610 yr by Jon Stakes

Papy is that you?

Papy is that you?

 

Is that the best joke you can come up with? I must have heard it 4-5 times already. Still not funny.

My last say on the issue:

Jose played Ivanovic, Matic or Hazard up until he was fired. If this was based on 'how they performed in training' then well... Honestly Mourinho's stubborn approach last season absolutely downgrades any credibility he has at player management / player assessment. As good a manager he is, Mourinho's player assessment was terrible last season, so what he thinks or does not think means absolutely nothing to me.

As for Hiddink: The guy was brought in to see the season through and he used the low risk option playing Mikel and co. Testing new options in defence may just not have been within his scope of interest. As mentioned Hiddink didn't come for a revolution, therefore dumping Zouma / Cahill / Ivanovic / Terry for Djilobodji likely never even occured to him.

As for Conte: The guy hasn't even been in Chelsea for a single day, so we can't assume anything with regards to him and putting him into the equation is just pointless. If anyone is discussing Djilobodji's move to Werder it ain't Conte, but club officials. And for now all we know is that Werder is interested in buying Djilobodji, not that Chelsea are trying to sell him.

So overall you have jumped the gun on this and made preassumptions on something that hasn't even happened yet, just to jab at Djilobodji. And that's what I don't get. I get you don't rate him, but the incessant need to attack him is just befuddling..,

BTW: Who the hell is Carlo? Ancelotti? What the hell does he have to do with this?

I meant Guus.

Attacking him? By stating he's not good enough and confirming 2 of our previous managers and coaches confirmed this by not playing him and punting him on loan?

Please tell me how that is 'attacking' him?

You are right I don't rate him and clearly our previous managers have not either. If he is sold then it confirms a third manager does not either.

Why are you being so defensive and sensitive about this?

And your basing your assessment on what? Mourinho prowess for talent spotting? ROTFL. Chelsea's excellent player loan development policy? ROTFL. The games he played for Chelsea? ROTFL.

As for Hiddink - by that time Djilobodji was already a victim of Chelsea politics. 

 

Fact is he was one of the best defenders in the 3rd best league in the world during his brief stint (Bundesliga) and one of the best defenders in the 5th best league in the world (Ligue 1). How this makes him an average defender is mindboggling. He has outperformed all the expectations of Werder Bremen fans and saved them from relegation. He also outperformed Christensen in the same leagu, who now everyone in Chelsea wants to play for the first team. There is some very weird bias against Djilobodji who for no fault of his own has been disowned since day one by Chelsea fans. 

 

I don't know if Conte will give him a chance. Hopefully he will, because IMO (from watching many Senegal games) he's better than Koulibaly / Rudiger and wouldn't cost 40 mln EUR. For now chances are Conte is focused on the Euro and hasn't even started thinking about Chelsea fringe players.

 

The irony of Jon speaking about player bias.

Is that the best joke you can come up with? I must have heard it 4-5 times already. Still not funny.

I meant Guus.

Attacking him? By stating he's not good enough and confirming 2 of our previous managers and coaches confirmed this by not playing him and punting him on loan?

Please tell me how that is 'attacking' him?

You are right I don't rate him and clearly our previous managers have not either. If he is sold then it confirms a third manager does not either.

Why are you being so defensive and sensitive about this?

See my previous post for answer

Am I the only one who can't see the Quote feature properly?