Lets just admit Jose got caught in a vacuum of power, ego, selfishness, frustration, indestructability and misery! Cheated in the transfer period and betrayed by the gang of 3. God knows how he feels now. He truly wanted to be with us for many years but as soon as he felt his invisibility was vulnerable, he panicked…. And the rest is history... 

Lets just admit Jose got caught in a vacuum of power, ego, selfishness, frustration, indestructability and misery! Cheated in the transfer period and betrayed by the gang of 3. God knows how he feels now. He truly wanted to be with us for many years but as soon as he felt his invisibility was vulnerable, he panicked…. And the rest is history...

Yes yes, he confided in you over tête-à-tête and tea of course. Eagerly anticipating your next post sir.

Edited February 29, 201610 yr by lesblues

Yes yes, he confided in you over tête-à-tête and tea of course. Eagerly anticipating your next post sir.

 

What a remarkably rude post to make. You're better than that.

 

That poster is doing what most of us do on here and in the pub - making conclusions based on the evidence available to us. Now you're certainly within your rights to disagree but there's no reason to be so dismissive of a fellow supporter's views is there?

Yes yes, he confided in you over tête-à-tête and tea of course. Eagerly anticipating your next post sir.

Your a funny dude Les

What a remarkably rude post to make. You're better than that.

That poster is doing what most of us do on here and in the pub - making conclusions based on the evidence available to us. Now you're certainly within your rights to disagree but there's no reason to be so dismissive of a fellow supporter's views is there?

The post supports your objectives, no surprise there. Please there's a difference between a sarcastic and a rude post ( as I don't recall insulting him) but hey whatever suits your agenda...

The post supports your objectives, no surprise there. Please there's a difference between a sarcastic and a rude post ( as I don't recall insulting him) but hey whatever suits your agenda...

 

I have neither an agenda nor an objective. I simply think you should treat people with respect. Just how I was raised mate and I suspect you were too.

I have neither an agenda nor an objective. I simply think you should treat people with respect. Just how I was raised mate and I suspect you were too.

No problems with your advice. Just a question, by people, you mean I treat everyone generally with disrespect?. Also a dig at how I was raised contradicts your point.

No problems with your advice. Just a question, by people, you mean I treat everyone generally with disrespect?. Also a dig at how I was raised contradicts your point.

 

It wasn't a dig was it? I said I suspect you were raised to treat people with respect which is actually quite a nice thing to say isn't it?

 

Look let's just leave it. I've made my point and I think you've made your's. 

It wasn't a dig was it? I said I suspect you were raised to treat people with respect which is actually quite a nice thing to say isn't it?

Look let's just leave it. I've made my point and I think you've made your's.

Just some last words. You know since I joined this site last year, I have seen tripe hauled at Roman with some posters going as far as using a strong word such as 'c*nt'. I've seen you doubt his sentiments, intellect and vision. I've seen the Emenalo thread full of hate words, seen a respected poster on here highlight the fact that his country is the second most corruptible in the world ( reason still beyond me). Point is, I don't see you advocating against all that but the moment you felt I opposed something you agree with, you accuse me of being rude to people in which the poster in question (Chemcint) brushed off my reply as he saw it for what it is. Like Christ said "He without sin, cast the first stone". We all should go down on our knees and thank God everyday for not making hypocrisy a sin.

Edited February 29, 201610 yr by lesblues

Just some last words. You know since I joined this site last year, I have seen tripe hauled at Roman with someone going posters going as far as using a strong word such as 'c*nt'. I've seen you doubt his sentiments, intellect and vision. I've seen the Emenalo thread full of hate words, seen a respected poster on here highlight the fact that his country is the second most corruptible in the world ( reason still beyond me). Point is, I don't see you advocating against all that but the moment you felt I opposed something you agree with, you accuse me of being rude to people in which the poster in question (Chemcint) brushed off my reply as he saw it for what it is. Like Christ said "He without sin, cast the first stone". We all should go down on our knees and thank God everyday for not making hypocrisy a sin.

 

Fair enough.

I'm confused at how people still believe this.

When Jose left, we were a point above relegation. We had recently lost to Bournemouth at Stamford Bridge. Let me repeat: We were in a relegation battle and recently lost at home to a newly promoted team itself fighting relegation.

To keep Jose was too big a risk. Relegation would have taken years to rebuild because none of the players had relegation clauses so we'd have to sell them probably for a bargain price.

 

Which players don't have relegation clauses and how would not having one mean we'd have to sell them cheap? Surely the opposite would be true, that if they had a relegation release clause they could go IF the price was low.

 

Jose was hurting the club with his statements, upsetting the backroom staff without whom the club could not function, setting a poor example for his players (when you publicly humiliate a staff member and work to get them fired, don't complain if others get the message that it's an okay thing to do), and it got worse every week.

 

 

Which backroom member can we not replace?

 

The next manager will inherit a dressing room of players who are communicating with each other and are supportive of each other (look at how genuinely happy they have been for Eden on the rare times he has scored). That atmosphere may well make the difference between them staying and leaving. Surely at least some of them will consider whether missing Champions League for one season merits a move to a club with a notoriously dysfunctional atmosphere, such as a certain high paying club in Spain.

 

This is a weird one. Personally I don't feel grateful for players offering to stay with us next season despite us not having CL football. If they don't want to be here when times are tough then I'm quite happy for them to leave and that includes Eden.

 

But what the next coach is likely to inherit is a dressing room that needs a lot of change. He's going to be lacking natural leaders and he's going to be lacking players in key positions. The way Hiddink is going, he's also going to be inheriting some young players who are lacking playing time too.

 

I daresay Chelsea is now downright likeable. Players are plucky and display a never give up till the whistle blows attitude. Manager always acts diplomatically and positively in public, in stark contrast to some of his counterparts. Club is taking the FA Cup seriously.

 

 

We're likeable because we're inoffensive and not that good. Yes we had a certain arrogance under Jose but that's because we were f**king good. 

 

I've never felt the need for this club to be liked. Respected? Yes!

 

Assuming Man United happens, even Jose is better off. He will have a fresh start and inherit a dressing room of players who at the least will think he's an improvement over the previous manager.

 

If United get Jose they'll get a great coach, but he'll also get a club prepared to back him 100% in the market. That has always tended to bring him success and whilst I'm excited about getting Conte I don't think we'll have a proper sniff of the title for a few years.

Which players don't have relegation clauses and how would not having one mean we'd have to sell them cheap? Surely the opposite would be true, that if they had a relegation release clause they could go IF the price was low.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/chelsea-worried-lack-of-relegation-clause-could-cost-them-big-if-blues-go-down-a6791706.html

In short, none of the players have a relegation clause, and we'd have to sell them at a bargain price because the wage bill would not change due to lack of relegation clause.

We're likeable because we're inoffensive and not that good. Yes we had a certain arrogance under Jose but that's because we were f**king good.

I've never felt the need for this club to be liked. Respected? Yes!

We were both disliked and unrespected when we were at the top. It's not true that the top team is automatically disliked. Look at the current top team.

Clubs wouldn't have a public relations and marketing department if they didn't care about it. Most importantly, it's good for attracting sponsors. Being liked is relevant in terms of fan hostility (both our fans and other teams'), media harassment/abuse of players/manager, media treatment in general, and probably referee and FA treatment.

It's not a huge deal on the surface, but the fact that clubs spend so much on public relations and marketing makes me conclude that it's more important than it seems on the surface, and there are probably advantages in addition to what I can think of.

Edited February 29, 201610 yr by offside

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/chelsea-worried-lack-of-relegation-clause-could-cost-them-big-if-blues-go-down-a6791706.html

In short, none of the players have a relegation clause, and we'd have to sell them at a bargain price because the wage bill would not change due to lack of relegation clause.

 

Ah, ok. I see what you're saying here.

 

We were both disliked and unrespected when we were at the top. It's not true that the top team is automatically disliked. Look at the current top team.

 

Leicester are 'liked' (not universally but I understand what you're saying) because they're underdogs. We love underdogs in this country. They're the Jamaican bobsleigh team in Cool Runnings. 

 

Being liked isn't the be all and end all. Success is a powerful thing for a brand to be associated with. Jose isn't liked universally but look at the brands that associated themselves with him and they're associated with affluence and success (Jaguar, Hublot etc.). 

 

To say that we weren't respected is slightly different from how I remember it but to each their own. Personally I don't care either way. We were liked back in the late-90s partly because we played nice football but also because we were bottlers. Jose changed that and changed the character of the club and that's what got a lot of people's backs up. I'm sure we'd have been 'loved' more if we were happy just to roll over and have our bellies tickled but that's not what we did.

We were liked in 2010 under Ancelotti. Well maybe not liked but we were definitely respected. Even on Jose's return we were somewhat respected but he then put all the attention on himself. We say he does this to protect the players but all I could see was a man thinking he's bigger than the club.

As for him going to Utd Shedender, don't be so pessimistic. Them signing Jose won't put them levels above us. I believe we are better than them and with Conte that won't change. They are getting a manager who needs a successful transfer market to succeed. What if Woodword fails to secure his targets again? Is Jose going to pull a strop and go into meltdown?

You can guarantee that players like Rashford wouldn't get a sniff under Jose.

Edited March 1, 201610 yr by KonaKai Blue

We were liked in 2010 under Ancelotti. 

 

 

Phew!

 

 Well maybe not liked 

 

 

Aahh. Built my hopes up just to knock me down.

 

As for him going to Utd Shedender, don't be so pessimistic. Them signing Jose won't put them levels above us. I believe we are better than them and with Conte that won't change. They are getting a manager who needs a successful transfer market to succeed. What if Woodword fails to secure his targets again? Is Jose going to pull a strop and go into meltdown?

 

 

United have had a net spend of roughly £200 million over the last three years. There's a commitment there from the board and I imagine if they go with Jose, that will continue. That's not pessimism. That's an objective assessment of what they'll likely do. Being optimistic, they still seem to be at a philosophical crossroads about what they want to be (Arsenal will go through the same when Wenger leaves) so there's plenty of scope for them to fail. Problem is that we'v shown that such things aren't always an impediment to success. I think if we back Conte in the same way we backed Jose, we'll be firmly amongst the also-rans behind City and United. 

 

If we change however, use our existing resources and invest new capital into the squad whilst giving the coach free reign then I think the sky is the limit.

 

You can guarantee that players like Rashford wouldn't get a sniff under Jose.

 

Just like Pogba didn't get a sniff under Ferguson and Chalobah didn't get a sniff under Anelotti, AVB, Robbie or Jose. It's one of the sh*ttier things about modern football and neither seems bothered about it.

 Chalobah didn't get a sniff under Anelotti,

That's a bit harsh on Ancelotti, Chalobah would have been about 16 when Carlo was sacked. 

That's a bit harsh on Ancelotti, Chalobah would have been about 16 when Carlo was sacked. 

 

I also spelt his name wrong.

We were liked in 2010 under Ancelotti. Well maybe not liked but we were definitely respected. Even on Jose's return we were somewhat respected but he then put all the attention on himself. We say he does this to protect the players but all I could see was a man thinking he's bigger than the club.

As for him going to Utd Shedender, don't be so pessimistic. Them signing Jose won't put them levels above us. I believe we are better than them and with Conte that won't change. They are getting a manager who needs a successful transfer market to succeed. What if Woodword fails to secure his targets again? Is Jose going to pull a strop and go into meltdown?

You can guarantee that players like Rashford wouldn't get a sniff under Jose.

Would I rather Chelsea be respected or win trophies, mmm tough one that. Jose going to Utd will put them on another level, he will most likely win trophies and he can up the level of players like Smalling, Jones and Shaw for example. If Jose does go to Utd and anyone can win the league above Utd and City I think that's a massive accomplishment.

Spurs, Leicester or Arsebal won't get a look in next year.

Mary O’Rourke (Carneiro’s lawyer): "The two sides are so far apart financially. And we want Mr Mourinho to make a public apology.“ [iTV]

Ouch..that wouldn't go down well with his future employers.

Mourinho has resigned himself to the fact that Man United are sticking with a succession plan that will see Giggs succeed Van Gaal. [Mirror]

Mourinho's failure to nurture young players is the main reason why United don’t see him as a potential successor to Louis van Gaal. [Mirror]

As opposed to Giggs credentials of managing things?

Edited March 7, 201610 yr by Stim

As opposed to Giggs credentials of managing things?

 

His four games in charge were pretty successful. 50% win record is respectable and he did give debuts to some youngsters.

 

He also replaced one of those youngster though....with himself.

Mary O’Rourke (Carneiro’s lawyer): "The two sides are so far apart financially. And we want Mr Mourinho to make a public apology.“ [iTV]

Ouch..that wouldn't go down well with his future employers.

Anyone in an employment tribunal knows this, but what Eva has, that most folk in that situation don't, is publicity and therefore a voice.

Mourinho has resigned himself to the fact that Man United are sticking with a succession plan that will see Giggs succeed Van Gaal. [Mirror]

Mourinho's failure to nurture young players is the main reason why United don’t see him as a potential successor to Louis van Gaal. [Mirror]

Mourinho has taken himself out of the picture as far as United go with his antics and personality from day one. As soon as LVG achieves European football for them I think you'll see an announcement Giggs is taking over in a season. 

Personally I think it's great news for us if United go with Giggs over Mourinho but I'll believe it when I see it. As people have said, Jose's about as close to a guarantee of success that you can get in football and United as a club and as a brand need success. If they're actually going to promote a guy who has just next to no experience as their next permanent manager then they could be in trouble.

 

Maybe he turns out to be a great coach, but it's a massive risk they're taking and I'm not sure why.