He's also been the man of the match against all of those sides. 

 

His lack of defensive awareness was exploited against arsenal, but going forward he needs help- not in this absurd idea that he gets "triple marked" or some nonsense like that, but we need to do more to play him into the game.  Receiving the ball back to goal well inside our half and with one player further up the pitch doesn't give him much chance. 

One thing I see again and again is when players are ineffectual people rush to point the finger and usually the solution is to swap him for the guy on the bench. There is so rarely an understanding or appreciation of why a player does poorly in the context of the team (which is ultimately the most important thing). 

Conte is trying to get us to play in a particular fashion and to my mind in the last two leagues games it has repeatedly faltered before the forward players could even get into the game. 

1 hour ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Just going purely from memory hasn't he scored against Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham? 

Not sure about Manchester City, can't remember off the top of my head? 

But just wondering what exactly it is that you are accusing him of. Yes he played poorly in the last two league game, yes but then the whole team has. 

Making a sweeping statement that he doesn't do "anything" against "half decent" sides isn't true. 

PSG x4, ATMx2 and god knows how many other big games where he gone MISSING. And I dont expect a player to put in a 9/10 performance in every game, but the hopeless drivel that hazard brings our way in such games is hardly a trait of a player who is considered "world class", "undroppable".

Hazard was injured after 16 minutes against PSG in 2014 and was out injured in the 1st leg against AM away and was wasnt 100% fit for the 2nd leg, and Hazard was our best player in the 2-2 draw with PSG in 2015.

Hazard has turned up against Man United on a number of occasions, put in MOTM performances against Man City, terrorized Tottenham and Liverpool on a number of occasions, and has made Arsenal look like school kids, as well as turning up in the Uefa Super Cup Final against Bayern and pretty much carried us to the PL title in 2015 when the team wasnt performing Hazard stepped up week in week out, to question his mentality is bizarre to me, he has proved he thrives under pressure, most of the times when he hasnt played well in a big game is down to our park the bus tactics and not because he apparently has a weak mentality. 

Edited September 27, 20169 yr by pacquiao

Yes, I can see how that would be the case considering his World cup performances, his euro performances. Does Belgium play park the bus tactic too?

Leave aside that 4 months where he carried us to a PL title, when has he consistently delivered? MOTM "performances" against city. WHen? Last season city schooled us 3-0 in both the legs. 

We have been under the pressure for the last year and a half now. When is he going to start to thrive? 

Best player in the draw against PSG. seriously? Playing against 10 men we got dominated... meh not worth recounting that. 

Again, most of the cases of his good performances are in the PL winning season, in which he was brilliant. This is his 5th season here

 2012/13 had a decent season but went missing in most big games. UEFA super cup against ATM, juve CL both legs, against pool, city, united, arsenal in 7 games (did not play against united away) had a total of 1 goal and 0 assists.

2013/14 : Poor against ATM and PSG. In 7 games against the above mentioned teams, scored 2 goals.

2015/16: sh*t against PSG in both the games and mercifully subbed off. 1 goal in 7 games(injured against city).

This is the return of a world class player? There is no denying that Eden was unplayable in 2014/15. As was Matic. Its 2 years later, and both seem to have regressed. Hazard in his attitude and matic in his play. High time that we really look if this is the player around whom we want to base the team tactics 

On 9/26/2016 at 18:01, didierforever said:

50 bucks on Iva to start this game and have more starts than alonso and aina combined by the end of the season.

Oh yeah he will definitely start against Hull, and more than likely start the next few games but then after that when its easily recognizable his pace just doesn't allow him to be the defender he once was the youth players will be given chance to shine. 

Someone clearly didn't watch Belgium at the Euros...

55 minutes ago, paddy94 said:

Oh yeah he will definitely start against Hull, and more than likely start the next few games but then after that when its easily recognizable his pace just doesn't allow him to be the defender he once was the youth players will be given chance to shine. 

Its still is not easily recognizable?

If Hazard's performances at the euros are an example of his good performances, then well... its just LOL.

Might as well include Cuadrado's copa america as great performances.

Ladies and gents, it has finally happened. 

We are now reading the following argument:

"Aside from the times hazard has played well, he has never played well."

Yeah. Because that is exactly the argument I am putting. "Leaving aside 2014/15, Hazard's record has been poor in big games" is the same as 

"Aside from the times hazard has played well, he has never played well."

 

 Like this

2 minutes ago, didierforever said:

Yeah. Because that is exactly the argument I am putting. "Leaving aside 2014/15, Hazard's record has been poor in big games" 

 

Well no that wasn't your argument at all, you said:

"Play him against a Half decent team and he will struggle to do ANYTHING."

That was proven false so you moved the goalposts of your own criticism and now you're doing it again.

Frankly I find your endless negativity and whining tiresome.

@didierforever

it is the argument you are putting across, in effect. even if we go by your warped way of evaluating a player, you still need us to ignore the evidence against your point of view.

I'm not criticising you for this, because it is, at last, an argument that makes some logical sense from you. it is true- if you ignore the times hazard plays well it really is the case that he's never played well.

now, you won't have known this, so there is no need to apologise, but I am severely allergic to stupidity. my doctor told me to stop coming on here immediately after defeats because of the strain it places on the nhs. you know all that stuff about junior doctors that became big news last year? well it wasn't a coincidence that became a huge story around the same time as jose got the sack.

what I'm trying to say is it is nice to read a post from you without having to reach for the inhaler. 

I still don't think Hazard has ever lived up to his potential but asking for clearly the most talented player in our team, if not the league, to be dropped when he's still probably the 2nd or 3rd best player every night is madness.

Particularly if, as you say, he is a flat track bully, and we are playing against Hull, it seems like exactly the kind of game he'd shine in, according to you.

5 hours ago, g3.7 said:

@didierforever

it is the argument you are putting across, in effect. even if we go by your warped way of evaluating a player, you still need us to ignore the evidence against your point of view.

I'm not criticising you for this, because it is, at last, an argument that makes some logical sense from you. it is true- if you ignore the times hazard plays well it really is the case that he's never played well.

now, you won't have known this, so there is no need to apologise, but I am severely allergic to stupidity. my doctor told me to stop coming on here immediately after defeats because of the strain it places on the nhs. you know all that stuff about junior doctors that became big news last year? well it wasn't a coincidence that became a huge story around the same time as jose got the sack.

what I'm trying to say is it is nice to read a post from you without having to reach for the inhaler. 

Did not know you were mentally that far gone. Take care mate.

By the way dont players have purple patches? Did not matic have one in 14/15? Collectively as a team, we were brilliant for half a season, and Hazard was in the form of his life for the second and we won the PL. Did i ever deny that? Point being, is it the norm or is it the anamoly? Taking into account Hazard's poor showing in 3 other seasons against big teams, I am tended to believe the latter.

But dont worry. Everything is fine. We have the "bestest squad" is the whole wide world. we just rock. Chelsea is the bestest. I hope you gain mental stability after reading all the positive things.

Edited September 28, 20169 yr by didierforever

5 hours ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Well no that wasn't your argument at all, you said:

"Play him against a Half decent team and he will struggle to do ANYTHING."

That was proven false so you moved the goalposts of your own criticism and now you're doing it again.

Frankly I find your endless negativity and whining tiresome.

How was that proven false. 

2012/13 had a decent season but went missing in most big games. UEFA super cup against ATM, juve CL both legs, against pool, city, united, arsenal in 7 games (did not play against united away) had a total of 1 goal and 0 assists.

2013/14 : Poor against ATM and PSG. In 7 games against the above mentioned teams, scored 2 goals.

2015/16: sh*t against PSG in both the games and mercifully subbed off. 1 goal in 7 games(injured against city).

This is his record againsst the best teams that we play every year. Hardly anything to make me believe that he does not struggle.

There is a simple solution, put me on ignore. Similarly, I find your constant moral high grounding tiresome and honestly worthless most of the time.

If JT is not fit ...

 

-----------------Courtois --------------

Azpilicueta - Ivanovic - Luiz - Alonso

------------- Kante - Chalobah ---------

Moses ------------------------------- Hazard

----------Costa --- Batshuayi ----------

 

If JT is fit then he comes in for Ivanovic.

If JT is not fit ...
 
-----------------Courtois --------------
Azpilicueta - Ivanovic - Luiz - Alonso
------------- Kante - Chalobah ---------
Moses ------------------------------- Hazard
----------Costa --- Batshuayi ----------
 
If JT is fit then he comes in for Ivanovic.

Good team except we need to drop Chalobah or Kante for an attacking midfielder like Fabregas. We ain't playing a big team, we are playing a team that's just coming from the Championship whose aim is simply to escape relegation.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37451773

I really hope Conte drops Cahill, Brana, and Matic. Appalling performances against Arsenal. I personally wouldn't mind to see Willian/Pedro dropped and give Moses another opportunity. But if Conte comes out with the same XI, I'm afraid hell be out sooner then later, which is sad considering he really is a good manager. I don't think dropping Courtois would do anything, mostly because Begovic has been just as bad (if not worse). This will test Conte's ability to get the boys fired up. I really hope he perseveres through this.

7 hours ago, wallosh said:

Good team except we need to drop Chalobah or Kante for an attacking midfielder like Fabregas. We ain't playing a big team, we are playing a team that's just coming from the Championship whose aim is simply to escape relegation.

Do you think dropping Moses (or the right wing in general) would do anything? I think theoretically it would allow more space for Batshuayi to operate off of Costa, but I'm certainly no tactics expert. Maybe push willian inside as a 10?

On 9/27/2016 at 14:12, Floyd25 said:

Because Tibo likes to talk and he can't back it up with his performances.

And Begovic who has been shocking and Eduardo that would struggle to make the U21 team would be better??

Going to suggest a new formation for the lads this weekend...

---------------------Courtois---------------------

-------- Ivan ------ Terry ------ Luiz ---------

Azpil ------ Oscar ------ Kante ----- Alonso

---------------------- Hazard --------------------

----------- Costa ----------- Bats --------------

 

Giving Hazard a free role to roam and find the space to turn and run at the defense.

Ivan to be replaced with Zouma when he is back.

 

What do we think? Total madness or should i be asking Roman for a job? ha.

Anyone else going to this know a decent pub close to the stadium?

On 27/09/2016 at 21:20, didierforever said:

Yeah. Because that is exactly the argument I am putting. "Leaving aside 2014/15, Hazard's record has been poor in big games" is the same as 

"Aside from the times hazard has played well, he has never played well."

 

 Like this

•  

And that's likely why not one like to support your comments and plenty for the people trying to correct you, either we are all plonkers or you're point is not very clever....I'm not a veteran of the forum but every post I have ever seen you make is a Debby downer pov, cheer up mate. 

 

11 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

And Begovic who has been shocking and Eduardo that would struggle to make the U21 team would be better??

They couldn't do much worse and at least they don't winge like a child in the press.

Edited September 29, 20169 yr by Floyd25