Or the media knows Elemano and previous managers haven't always see and try to stir things up?

Yesterday Kristof Terreur (Belgian journo) said Conte is a fan of Lukaku for a few years now, so maybe he's knows better? That's the media. Everybody runs with different stories.

The point is, a handful of people knows who our primary targers are for the striker position. It maybe be Morata, it maybe be Lukak or it maybe be both imo cause I don't see going into next season just with Morata/Michy or Lukaku/Michy

 

Edited May 18, 20179 yr by Ledg

On 5/11/2017 at 18:25, KonaKai Blue said:

Bottom line is whatever it is, the scapegoating of Emanalo needs to stop. If you want to blame him for whatever, then be fair and give credit where credit is due.

It's annoying when you see clubs like Blackburn and Leyton Orient go through real problems yet us as privileged fans want to protest and sign petitions because we've signed a player for 5m that our last manager didn't fancy, didn't spend 50m on an overrated CB and signed a 30m Belgium international (who we were all orignally excited about) that gets no game time.

I think you are missing people's point of contention.

We blamed Costa (Spanish/Brazil), Cesc (Spanish), Hazard (Belgian) for the departure of Jose.

Luiz is (kind of a) Scapegoat (brazilian)

Torres was one, Sheva was one. And none of that had anything to do with their Nationality or Colour. You using "nigerian" in your reasoning is what people have a problem with, not with the gist of your initial post.

As for emenalo, i think he is disliked because he called jose "the individual", right after jose's sack. For a lot of fans (including me) it was a very emotional decision, and speaking so callously about our best manager was going to get a few abuses. 

Nobody's perfect. Antonio signed a fair few duds at Juve.

I am firmly of the opinion that it is beyond stupid for any club to give total control to the most vulnerable employee at the club to spend hundreds of millions.

Any pundit or fan crying out that "that's how it has to be" is stuck in the 90's.

8 hours ago, didierforever said:

I think you are missing people's point of contention.

We blamed Costa (Spanish/Brazil), Cesc (Spanish), Hazard (Belgian) for the departure of Jose.

Luiz is (kind of a) Scapegoat (brazilian)

Torres was one, Sheva was one. And none of that had anything to do with their Nationality or Colour. You using "nigerian" in your reasoning is what people have a problem with, not with the gist of your initial post.

As for emenalo, i think he is disliked because he called jose "the individual", right after jose's sack. For a lot of fans (including me) it was a very emotional decision, and speaking so callously about our best manager was going to get a few abuses. 

Jose sacking was 100% the correct decision, it was obvious at the time let alone with hindsight. Tbh im surprised Hazard brushed it all off so quickly, if i was branded a rat after playing for month's with a hip injury i wouldn't forgive and forget that easily. Torres wasn't a scapegoat, he was a fundementally sh*t footballer who was holding back the clubs progress. Emenalo has done exactly what to deserve all this sh*t? He brought some of this title winning team and if the story about the sales pitch to Neymar's Dad is anything to go by (which was apparently so good Neymar considered despite his lifelong insistence he wanted Barca) he does more good than bad. Maybe what he called Jose was a bad move, but he was hated without substance long before that.

I don't think any bad feeling about Emenalo is due to him being Nigerian or African.

I think it is more Mourinho related and though I am not aware of anything specific this quote about Emenalo from wiki is interesting;

On 10 June 2013, he formally requested that his contract be terminated to facilitate the return of José Mourinho.[5] His request for termination was denied

 

Given the number of Africans who have played for the club over the years, it's absurd to think that any anti-Emenalo-ism has anything to do with either his nationality or his ethnicity. I don't th9nk it's Mourinho related either.

No I'm sure it's because of his previous employment record, in particular his time as coach of the Tucson Soccer Academy Under 12's girls team. Seen as an Avram Grant appointment, who was himself regarded as having been given the job purely on the basis of his friendship with Abramovich, Whichever way you look at it, to go directly from coaching an uder 12's girls team to Technical Director of Chelsea FC is one hell of a jump.

 

All this crying about Emenalo.....wasn't Ron Gourlay always made a scapegoat before Emenalo even became Technical Director, especially after the way he fired Carlo in the tunnel at Goodison. Even Buck has gotten some stick from fans (although not recently). Liverpool fans always had a go at Damien Comolli and these days Ian Ayre is their scapegoat. Arsenal fans have ripped Ivan Gazidis to shreds several times and want him gone at the moment. United fans have torn into Woodward several times post Fergie and only really got some praise from their fan base last summer. I can go on and on. Fans of any football club always unconsciously want to have someone to blame if a team isn't doing what they like in the transfer market or when decisions are made that don't sit well with the fans. For a club like Newcastle whose owner is a lot more outspoken and at the forefront of things than most owners in England, he gets the blame from fans when things go wrong.

Etc, etc, etc.

Please stop this nonsense of "oh it's because he's Nigerian/African" as if we haven't had countless African and black players play for us for years. Certainly since I remember being a Chelsea fan, we've always had at least one player of African ethnicity/nationality and they weren't always good players. Leave the race/nationality nonsense out of this. That's just silly and takes away from whatever argument you're trying to make.

Once again, football fans always want someone higher up to point a finger to and since we have an owner who never speaks in public, we tend to point at the top club officials who put pen to paper. I know it sounds crazy but it's a VERY normal thing in football. Now please move on for f**k's sake.

14 hours ago, Argo said:

Jose sacking was 100% the correct decision, it was obvious at the time let alone with hindsight. Tbh im surprised Hazard brushed it all off so quickly, if i was branded a rat after playing for month's with a hip injury i wouldn't forgive and forget that easily. Torres wasn't a scapegoat, he was a fundementally sh*t footballer who was holding back the clubs progress. Emenalo has done exactly what to deserve all this sh*t? He brought some of this title winning team and if the story about the sales pitch to Neymar's Dad is anything to go by (which was apparently so good Neymar considered despite his lifelong insistence he wanted Barca) he does more good than bad. Maybe what he called Jose was a bad move, but he was hated without substance long before that.

football is an emotional sport. Take out the fans' emotions and passion and what do we have left? 22 men kicking a ball around. To call Jose (our most successfull manager , for the next 3 seasons atleast) an "individual" was naive to say the least. I dont know if he was ridiculed before that. For me, that was the first time I ridiculed him. 

Even if he was ridiculed before that, none of it whatsoever had to do with him being nigerian/black/ what ever racist and xenophobic reasons have been put out. 

On 18/05/2017 at 06:47, didierforever said:

I think you are missing people's point of contention.

We blamed Costa (Spanish/Brazil), Cesc (Spanish), Hazard (Belgian) for the departure of Jose.

Luiz is (kind of a) Scapegoat (brazilian)

Torres was one, Sheva was one. And none of that had anything to do with their Nationality or Colour. You using "nigerian" in your reasoning is what people have a problem with, not with the gist of your initial post.

As for emenalo, i think he is disliked because he called jose "the individual", right after jose's sack. For a lot of fans (including me) it was a very emotional decision, and speaking so callously about our best manager was going to get a few abuses. 

 

 

And now the so-called 3 rats are forgiven. It was just heat of the moment with "Jose tinted glasses". Players will always be blamed in one way or another. They are the ones being paid big money to perform. Torres and Sheva were paid very well and didn't perform. I can't see any scapegoating there.

However, Emanalo is not a player who has taken more than just a simple finger point.

The hate some Chelsea fans have for this guy has gone way too far. At least the players you mentioned can redeem themselves when things go well and are now being praised. Everything Emanalo does well seem to be ignored and his name only appears when the club goes through a bad patch.

He was also disliked well before the individual comment which again was blown way out of proportion. People are just nitpicking and waiting for something to go wrong just to have a go and make out as if he is bad for our club when in actual fact he has proven to be a great asset.

Edited May 19, 20179 yr by KonaKai Blue

Are you Emanalo?

1 hour ago, KonaKai Blue said:

And now the so-called 3 rats are forgiven. It was just heat of the moment with "Jose tinted glasses". Players will always be blamed in one way or another. They are the ones being paid big money to perform. Torres and Sheva were paid very well and didn't perform. I can't see any scapegoating there.

However, Emanalo is not a player who has taken more than just a simple finger point.

The hate some Chelsea fans have for this guy has gone way too far. At least the players you mentioned can redeem themselves when things go well and are now being praised. Everything Emanalo does well seem to be ignored and his name only appears when the club goes through a bad patch.

He was also disliked well before the individual comment which again was blown way out of proportion. People are just nitpicking and waiting for something to go wrong just to have a go and make out as if he is bad for our club when in actual fact he has proven to be a great asset.

Are you suggesting that Emenalo is not being paid big money? You think a technical director at a club of Chelsea's stature wouldn't be paying him big money? And if you agree he's being paid big money then why can't he take blame the way players take blame? Why is he somehow immune? Have you seen the way fans of other club also point fingers at their respective technical directors? Even Madrid fans rip into Fiorentino Perez, same with Barca fans and Bartomeu. Why do you think Emenalo's case is so unique? 

Are you Emenalo?

54 minutes ago, Barrettinator said:

Are you suggesting that Emenalo is not being paid big money? You think a technical director at a club of Chelsea's stature wouldn't be paying him big money? And if you agree he's being paid big money then why can't he take blame the way players take blame? Why is he somehow immune? Have you seen the way fans of other club also point fingers at their respective technical directors? Even Madrid fans rip into Fiorentino Perez, same with Barca fans and Bartomeu. Why do you think Emenalo's case is so unique? 

Are you Emenalo?

I'm suggesting that Emanalo makes no where near the amount of money our players earn. Also hes Romans trusted right hand man. I'm sure Roman is smarter and more informed than the so called experts on here who think Emanalo is only bad for this club about his skills and value to this club. We are once again Champions after all immediately after sacking  "the individual".

Madrid fans also boo their greatest ever player so using them to make your point look reasonable is a bad example. Perez is also club president, so his closest parrallel is Roman. All it shows is that fans harshly criticising members of the club who mean no ill intent such as taking money from the club or not willing to reinvest (ala Arsenal and Utd) are spoilt brats. If we had such problems then i could understand. 

Also what makes Emanalos case so unique is that he is not some king with all the influence at the bridge. If you have a problem take it up with Roman but you wouldn't be so stupid to do that now would you?

 

Edited May 19, 20179 yr by KonaKai Blue

2 hours ago, Zola said:

Are you Emanalo?

No im just a Chelsea fan that doesn't seek out scapegoats within the club for an issue which isn't as big as it's being made out to be.

As i said absolutely strange why he gets so much hate. If he resigned last season and was replaced by Zola for example, no doubt Zola would be getting some kind of credit for our resurgence. Obviously that wont and hasnt happened with Emanalo.

6 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:

I'm suggesting that Emanalo makes no where near the amount of money our players earn. Also hes Romans trusted right hand man. I'm sure Roman is smarter and more informed than the so called experts on here who think Emanalo is only bad for this club about his skills and value to this club. We are once again Champions after all immediately after sacking  "the individual".

Madrid fans also boo their greatest ever player so using them to make your point look reasonable is a bad example. Perez is also club president, so his closest parrallel is Roman. All it shows is that fans harshly criticising members of the club who mean no ill intent such as taking money from the club or not willing to reinvest (ala Arsenal and Utd) are spoilt brats. If we had such problems then i could understand. 

Also what makes Emanalos case so unique is that he is not some king with all the influence at the bridge. If you have a problem take it up with Roman but you wouldn't be so stupid to do that now would you?

 

I have no interest in trying to make my point "reasonable" really. There's no reason to want to do that. Why? Because if you weren't so hung up on Emenalo, you'd see that it's a normal part of football for fans to slate higher ups at their clubs. For the umpteenth time, there's nothing special about Emenalo's case. It happens everywhere.

As has been pointed out earlier, if you take the emotions of fans out of football, the sport will die. You need to realize that.

8 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:

No im just a Chelsea fan that doesn't seek out scapegoats within the club for an issue which isn't as big as it's being made out to be.

 

Except when you scapegoated this forummer by claiming we are all racist/xenophobes if we dislike Emanalo.....

11 minutes ago, dkw said:

Except when you scapegoated this forummer by claiming we are all racist/xenophobes if we dislike Emanalo.....

I didnt say all. Just the ones who are clearly using him as a scapegoat. Just look how quiet the Emanalo out thread is, until we have a bad run of form. Then the xenophobes will come out again.

20 minutes ago, Barrettinator said:

I have no interest in trying to make my point "reasonable" really. There's no reason to want to do that. Why? Because if you weren't so hung up on Emenalo, you'd see that it's a normal part of football for fans to slate higher ups at their clubs. For the umpteenth time, there's nothing special about Emenalo's case. It happens everywhere.

As has been pointed out earlier, if you take the emotions of fans out of football, the sport will die. You need to realize that.

Normal doesn't make it rational or right. As I said it just makes those who do look like spoilt brats and also cowards as they are too afraid to have a pop at the person who runs the club. I dont see Utd and Arsenal just slating Woodward and Wenger. They also have a pop at the Glazers and Gazidis. Even  you said Perez gets it, another person at the very top in that club. But not at Chelsea. Ignore the hand that feeds us and attack the person below him instead.

3 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:

I didnt say all. Just the ones who are clearly using him as a scapegoat. Just look how quiet the Emanalo out thread is, until we have a bad run of form. Then the xenophobes will come out again.

You really don't realize how stupid you sound calling those fans xenophobes just because they're pointing fingers at a club official? Forget other examples, is Emenalo the first Chelsea official to get stick from Chelsea fans?

8 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:

Normal doesn't make it rational or right. As I said it just makes those who do look like spoilt brats and also cowards as they are too afraid to have a pop at the person who runs the club. I dont see Utd and Arsenal just slating Woodward and Wenger. They also have a pop at the Glazers and Gazidis. Even  you said Perez gets it, another person at the very top in that club. But not at Chelsea. Ignore the hand that feeds us and attack the person below him instead.

Perez is NOT the owner of Madrid. He's merely a President who has to appease the fans to get re-elected or else he'll be replaced. Which is why I likened him to Emenalo. You haven't been on Redcafe or seen discussions among United fans on social media lately, have you? They haven't slated the Glazers in a long time. Arsenal fans slate Kroenke (and Gazidis) but only because he runs the club in an extremely stingy for-profit way that prioritizes profits over trophies. If Kroenke spent money as much as he should (considering he's wealthier than Roman if I'm not mistaken) and it was just down to footballing decisions, I guarantee you Gazidis would be getting almost 100% of the blame and you'd hardly hear Kroenke mentioned. As much as final decisions end with Roman, he still seeks football counsel from top officials like Emenalo. Which is one of the reasons Emenalo will get stick from fans. Replace Emenalo with a random Cooper or Stevens or Kolinski or whatever it might be and the reactions from fans will be the same. Which is why you sound really silly calling those fans xenophobes. No one's going to take you seriously.

Edited May 19, 20179 yr by Barrettinator

17 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:

I didnt say all. Just the ones who are clearly using him as a scapegoat. Just look how quiet the Emanalo out thread is, until we have a bad run of form. Then the xenophobes will come out again.

You have absolutely no right to claim anyone on her is racist/xenophobic because they dont like someone who happens to be Nigerian, just as many people didn't like white English players/staff. I think its disgusting what you are implying and quite frankly you can go f**k yourself.

50 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:

Just look how quiet the Emanalo out thread is, until we have a bad run of form. Then the xenophobes will come out again.

That's because this season he has (largely) done a good job. 

The signings we made in the summer were solid, although my main criticism is that we should aim to conclude more deals before the season starts (see hesitation to initially switch to 3-4-3). However, that aside, we signed what we needed. Lack of incoming signings in January made sense if no value was to be found and we shipped out fringe players on high wages. 

Last year, he did poorly. Lack of reinforcements in the summer were a hindrance and those signed didn't make sense, Papy and Hector were terrible signings. The frustration at the time (at least for me) was it wasn't the first time we had failed to strengthen the squad on the back of a title win. After Ancelotti won the double the squad was stripped of a lot of experience (Ballack, Deco, Belletti) and a relative unknown (Ramires) was all that was bought in. So for me, there was a frustration of apparently not having learned from our mistakes. 

I see an argument quite frequently about Emenalo being "no one knows for sure what it is he does". I don't see this as a defence, I find it odd that someone clearly so powerful and influential is a ghost like figure at times. And I find a lot of his statements issued through the club to be quite cold (referring to Mourinho as "the individual" as an example). 

I don't use Emenalo as a scapegoat but I think he is accountable when poor business is conducted with regards to transfers as a technical director of football generally dictates transfer strategy and signings. So a lack of signings or poor signings or players wrongly retained/sold I think it's fair to question his role/judgement.  

1 hour ago, dkw said:

You have absolutely no right to claim anyone on her is racist/xenophobic because they dont like someone who happens to be Nigerian, just as many people didn't like white English players/staff. I think its disgusting what you are implying and quite frankly you can go f**k yourself.

Reading your posting history, you seem like the kind of person who definitely falls into that category.

1 hour ago, Barrettinator said:

Perez is NOT the owner of Madrid. He's merely a President who has to appease the fans to get re-elected or else he'll be replaced. Which is why I likened him to Emenalo. You haven't been on Redcafe or seen discussions among United fans on social media lately, have you? They haven't slated the Glazers in a long time. Arsenal fans slate Kroenke (and Gazidis) but only because he runs the club in an extremely stingy for-profit way that prioritizes profits over trophies. If Kroenke spent money as much as he should (considering he's wealthier than Roman if I'm not mistaken) and it was just down to footballing decisions, I guarantee you Gazidis would be getting almost 100% of the blame and you'd hardly hear Kroenke mentioned. As much as final decisions end with Roman, he still seeks football counsel from top officials like Emenalo. Which is one of the reasons Emenalo will get stick from fans. Replace Emenalo with a random Cooper or Stevens or Kolinski or whatever it might be and the reactions from fans will be the same. Which is why you sound really silly calling those fans xenophobes. No one's going to take you seriously.

Perez is more similar to Roman than he is to Emanalo. As i said its a poor comparison as both clubs are run differently but if you really have to compare then it is not Perez you should be comparing. 

The fact of the matter is Emamalo actually hasnt done a bad job nor have any of the board including Roman. Every club makes mistakes but the criticism Emanalo receives you would think hes an imposter taking Roman and the club for mugs just for his own financial gain. I don't care about those who don't take me seriously  as its those very people i am aiming my assumptions towards. 

31 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

That's because this season he has (largely) done a good job. 

The signings we made in the summer were solid, although my main criticism is that we should aim to conclude more deals before the season starts (see hesitation to initially switch to 3-4-3). However, that aside, we signed what we needed. Lack of incoming signings in January made sense if no value was to be found and we shipped out fringe players on high wages. 

Last year, he did poorly. Lack of reinforcements in the summer were a hindrance and those signed didn't make sense, Papy and Hector were terrible signings. The frustration at the time (at least for me) was it wasn't the first time we had failed to strengthen the squad on the back of a title win. After Ancelotti won the double the squad was stripped of a lot of experience (Ballack, Deco, Belletti) and a relative unknown (Ramires) was all that was bought in. So for me, there was a frustration of apparently not having learned from our mistakes. 

I see an argument quite frequently about Emenalo being "no one knows for sure what it is he does". I don't see this as a defence, I find it odd that someone clearly so powerful and influential is a ghost like figure at times. And I find a lot of his statements issued through the club to be quite cold (referring to Mourinho as "the individual" as an example). 

I don't use Emenalo as a scapegoat but I think he is accountable when poor business is conducted with regards to transfers as a technical director of football generally dictates transfer strategy and signings. So a lack of signings or poor signings or players wrongly retained/sold I think it's fair to question his role/judgement.  

Well this where our fans are spoilt and have little understanding of how business transactions work. If Emanalo was as competant as you expect, we would've made several over the odds transfers including a 50m Stones which would have been bad business.

The pappy and hector signings are clutching at straws. So what? We signed to rubbish players who has NO IMPACT on our season. Every club for whatever reason signs duds. At least in this case they were cheap and merely no different to signing an u18 player who is loaned out and never seen again.

You can use that example of 2010 however our season didnt have to be as bad as it was. Our squad wasnt as bad as 10th place but Emanalo took most of the blame for that and Joses downfall. As I said calling him an individual, isn't cold imo. At least he had the guts to be the one to speak out to the media which clearly was the wrong move as he is hated so much.

Just go back to his thread and read posts from August with fans moaning how he hasn't  backed Conte and that Luiz and Alonso are poor signings. Anything  bad he does is highlighted but any good he does is ignored or tight lipped. That's why i think there is a specific agenda against him.

16 minutes ago, KonaKai Blue said:

Just go back to his thread and read posts from August with fans moaning how he hasn't  backed Conte and that Luiz and Alonso are poor signings. Anything  bad he does is highlighted but any good he does is ignored or tight lipped. That's why i think there is a specific agenda against him.

No agenda. You just choose to ignore reasons people give and prefer your own theory that it's because he's Nigerian. 

 

On 5/11/2017 at 15:11, Nibs said:

I think the majority of us disliked Kenyon because:

A He was Man Utd

B He just looked like a complete slimy c**t

 

With Emanalo it has NOTHING to do with his Nationality. It has a lot to do with his exeperience pre Chelsea and many of us wondering how the f**k did his qualifications get him a gig at Chelsea (coaching a youth girls team)? Add to that some very unpopular comings & goings in his earlier days and things naturally escalated.

But credit where credit's due. Things are going well now and we have little to complain about so you'll get no more criticism from me all the time that continues. In fact perhaps he deserves a pay-rise!!

 

 

 

 

22 hours ago, Upsetter said:

Given the number of Africans who have played for the club over the years, it's absurd to think that any anti-Emenalo-ism has anything to do with either his nationality or his ethnicity. I don't th9nk it's Mourinho related either.

No I'm sure it's because of his previous employment record, in particular his time as coach of the Tucson Soccer Academy Under 12's girls team. Seen as an Avram Grant appointment, who was himself regarded as having been given the job purely on the basis of his friendship with Abramovich, Whichever way you look at it, to go directly from coaching an uder 12's girls team to Technical Director of Chelsea FC is one hell of a jump.

 

 

Edited May 19, 20179 yr by Nibs