Well, after listening to my Chelsea mates and comments on here and on other forums etc. it seems like everyone has an opinion on who should leave / be sacked / kicked out etc. So putting all the thoughts together here is the squad for next season-                                     Kante

Thats it, no manager, nada, zilch. tough times ahead. 

 

Im being completely serious when i say, players who should be moved on - cahill moses christensen pedro drinkwater bakayoko fabregas hazard giroud zappacosta, this would generate 200million if lucky, to start again

Start with getting rid of everyone who thought Drinkwater, Barkley, Zappacosta etc would help our team/squad this year. After that find quality replacements for Fabregas, Alonso, Moses, Pedro, Cahill.

3 hours ago, Jamjar1986 said:

Im being completely serious when i say, players who should be moved on - cahill moses christensen pedro drinkwater bakayoko fabregas hazard giroud zappacosta, this would generate 200million if lucky, to start again

Let's get rid 10 players in one Summer. In that list we are getting rid of one of the most talented young CBs in the world and also we are getting rid of our best player and one of the best players in the League who was instrumental in our last two League wins, we will generate big money but without Champions League we may struggle to bring in the top players 

 

The board have made some awful decisions in the last few years but not even they would be so idiotic to do what you've just suggested 

Let's get rid 10 players in one Summer. In that list we are getting rid of one of the most talented young CBs in the world and also we are getting rid of our best player and one of the best players in the League who was instrumental in our last two League wins, we will generate big money but without Champions League we may struggle to bring in the top players 
 
The board have made some awful decisions in the last few years but not even they would be so idiotic to do what you've just suggested 

Hazard picks and chooses when he turns up, most of the time he doesnt turn up, christensens mistakes in the last two months have cost us In this years champions league, and cost us in qualification for next year and in effect cost us in probably keeping eden hazard

Out the door > Moses, Fabregas, Cahill and Pedro. Looks like Luiz will leave anyway. Bakayoko, Batshuyui and Barkley loaned out.

 

Depending on the system we'll be playing we need MINIMUM four top-drawer signings; 2 X Central Defenders, 1 X Centre Mid and 1 X Right Full Back/Mid. Bring back Loftus-Cheek and Zouma. Promote Sterling and Hudson-Odoi to the first team. (Europa League means plenty of matches for everyone to get a game).

1 hour ago, Jamjar1986 said:

Hazard picks and chooses when he turns up, most of the time he doesnt turn up, christensens mistakes in the last two months have cost us In this years champions league, and cost us in qualification for next year and in effect cost us in probably keeping eden hazard

Very interesting take which truly baffles. Of all our attacking players since 2013, so that includes : Torres, Ba, Oscar, Willian, Pedro, Diego Costa, Schurrle and so on an so forth, which one of them have been more consistent in their performances than Hazard given the chaotic nature in which our club is run? You won't be able to answer because the answer is obvious to anyone who watches games. But I doubt fans like you and one that think like this actually watch games. 

Very interesting take which truly baffles. Of all our attacking players since 2013, so that includes : Torres, Ba, Oscar, Willian, Pedro, Diego Costa, Schurrle and so on an so forth, which one of them have been more consistent in their performances than Hazard given the chaotic nature in which our club is run? You won't be able to answer because the answer is obvious to anyone who watches games. But I doubt fans like you and one that think like this actually watch games. 

I watch every game, the list you have gave bar costa is a very start reminder of what we have had, if hazard wasnt better than them it would be worrying, ive been preying for years hazard went onto the next level but he doesnt have the desire or bottle for it,

1 minute ago, Jamjar1986 said:

I watch every game, the list you have gave bar costa is a very start reminder of what we have had, if hazard wasnt better than them it would be worrying, ive been preying for years hazard went onto the next level but he doesnt have the desire or bottle for it,

Answer the question and stop running in circles. Since 2013 we've won, 2 premier league titles and a league cup in the most competitive and hardest league in the world but yet by your absurd logic all of our attacking players have been inconsistent since you can't dispute my claim that Hazard has been the most consistent attacking player we've had. You don't win leagues with all inconsisten attacking players and you most consistent attacking player not "turning up most of the time" in your words.

5 minutes ago, Jamjar1986 said:

I watch every game, the list you have gave bar costa is a very start reminder of what we have had, if hazard wasnt better than them it would be worrying, ive been preying for years hazard went onto the next level but he doesnt have the desire or bottle for it,

Also what is this imaginery "next level" you've been waiting for Hazard to go to? Stop using buzzwords and make sense. 

Also what is this imaginery "next level" you've been waiting for Hazard to go to? Stop using buzzwords and make sense. 

The next level that he should have been at, de bruyne is at it, salah is there, neymar etc,
Im not disagreeing with u in that i know hazard is easily our best player and has been for years, but you cant deny in so many games he just doesnt look bothered, just because you dont agree you accuse me of not talking sense,

14 minutes ago, Jamjar1986 said:

The next level that he should have been at, de bruyne is at it, salah is there, neymar etc,
Im not disagreeing with u in that i know hazard is easily our best player and has been for years, but you cant deny in so many games he just doesnt look bothered, just because you dont agree you accuse me of not talking sense,

So now De Bruyne and Salah are at this level, Salah after one season but Hazard somehow finds this level unattainable? 

Is the same Hazard who in 2013-14 was 2nd in the PFA player of the year voting behind Suarez and ahead of Yaya Toure and won the Young player of the year?

Or in 2014-15 was 1st in the PFA player of the year voting?

Or in 2016-17 was 2nd in PFA player of the year voting and realistically could have been 1st yet again? No player in the PL has done that consistently or with longetivity

Now either one of De Bruyne or Salah will be 1st or 2nd in PFA honors this season and deserve it but PRIOR to this season when has either one of these players ever been top 2? Okay Salah is new to the league but when was he ever crowned the best player in Italy? 

Hazard has been doing it way before either one of those players! 

Neymar is a great player but so is Hazard. And Neymar has been in truly great teams and had players such as Messi, Suarez, Iniesta, Mbappe, Cavani, Veratti just to name a few as his teammates. Hazard on the other hand has player for far less talented teams, in a chaotically run club, managed by defensive minded "pragmatic" managers for ALL his Chelsea career.

He's been expected to do everything. Create transitions from defense to midfield, be the ball carrier from midfield to attack, create goal scoring opportunities, score goals, defend his flank.  

How does it make any logical sense to make a straightforward comparison between Neymar and Hazard when they don't have the same responsibility or quality around them? When was Neymar ever forced to play as an auxillary left back in a Champions league quarter final to abate he frialities and fears of his manager? Get real. 

But then again you said Hazard doesn't play well most of the time so its obvious all my points are beyond your head. Apparently the new level that Hazard now has to get to is that of De Bruyne and Salah. Hazard has been there and done that. Call me when Salah can carry a defensive team to a league title like Hazard did in the 2nd half of 2014/15 or when De Bruyne can dominate the league without being surrounded by one of the most stacked teams in PL history coached by arguably the world's best manager. What a joke. 

 

Edited April 2, 20188 yr by The Liquidator

Never seen hazard play left back,seen him being asked to track back, most players do, hazard has been here 6 years and never had a season that salah is having now in his first season, up until this season i was always telling people that hazard was the closest to messi and ronaldo but he just isnt, im not saying any of this because i dislike him, i love the guy, my sons have his name on their back, i just cant see him having the desire to improve his game anymore than he has, for his ability he should be having an impact on every single game,

2 hours ago, Jamjar1986 said:

Hazard picks and chooses when he turns up, most of the time he doesnt turn up, christensens mistakes in the last two months have cost us In this years champions league, and cost us in qualification for next year and in effect cost us in probably keeping eden hazard

 

Please tell you aren't being serious in regards to Christensen? That is one of the most ridiculous things that I've seen written on this forum. 

Have you heard of RAWK? I think you'd feel at home over there

3 minutes ago, Sparkz said:

 

Please tell you aren't being serious in regards to Christensen? That is one of the most ridiculous things that I've seen written on this forum. 

Have you heard of RAWK? I think you'd feel at home over there

Harsh words I'd agree but you're delusional if you deny Christensen hasn't been at the centre of the goals we've recently conceded.

2 minutes ago, the special one said:

Harsh words I'd agree but you're delusional if you deny Christensen hasn't been at the centre of the goals we've recently conceded.

There's no denying that he's made mistakes and has cost us a few goals but it's actually delusional to believe that Christensen is the main reason we won't finish in the top 4 this season 

5 hours ago, Jamjar1986 said:

Im being completely serious when i say, players who should be moved on - cahill moses christensen pedro drinkwater bakayoko fabregas hazard giroud zappacosta, this would generate 200million if lucky, to start again

 

2 hours ago, Jamjar1986 said:

Hazard picks and chooses when he turns up, most of the time he doesnt turn up, christensens mistakes in the last two months have cost us In this years champions league, and cost us in qualification for next year and in effect cost us in probably keeping eden hazard

What an absolute disgrace these posts are.

Actually laughable.

 

 

There's no denying that he's made mistakes and has cost us a few goals but it's actually delusional to believe that Christensen is the main reason we won't finish in the top 4 this season 

So where would we be now without his mistakes against city utd and spurs game?? Tbf we probably wouldnt have got anything out of the city game anyway, but two goals against utd were his fault and two goals against spurs his fault, it is was david luiz he would be slaughtered for it

9 minutes ago, Jamjar1986 said:

Never seen hazard play left back,seen him being asked to track back, most players do, hazard has been here 6 years and never had a season that salah is having now in his first season, up until this season i was always telling people that hazard was the closest to messi and ronaldo but he just isnt, im not saying any of this because i dislike him, i love the guy, my sons have his name on their back, i just cant see him having the desire to improve his game anymore than he has, for his ability he should be having an impact on every single game,

Hazard played left back for the vast majority of the game against PSG away 2014/15. I seem to remember Courtious saving us from an embarrassment in that game.

Back to my initial point, concerning the names you brought up Salah and De Bruyne. You mention Hazard has never had a season like Salah is having but that's your view, maybe goalscoring season but goalscoring is not the only aspect of football if it were then a player like Gerrard will be considered unanimously better than a Zidane or Iniesta and that is obviously false.

 This season both of them will be 1 and 2 in the trophy for best player in the league for the season. I've already shown how Hazard has done it 3 times in the past 13/14, 14/15 and 16/17. Yet apparently De Bruyne and Salah's level is the new level Hazard has to go. See how ridiculous and undefendable your argumentation is? 

Now in desperation you mention Messi and Ronaldo since you have to create another unrealistic category since you realized how daft your initial point of mentioning KDB and Salah was. News flash, Messi has been playing for the best team in football since he was 18. For the most attacking team in football. For the most dominant team littered with not only the best players in the world but some of the best players to ever play football. Ronaldinho, Eto'o, Xavi, Villia, Iniesta, Ibrahimovic, Neymar, Suarez, Deco, Villa. The list is endless. 

Ronaldo's Man united was vastly, and I mean vastly superior to any team Hazard has ever played with. He's played with all time great players in Madrid but even in united also. With Giggs, Scholes, Tevez, Rooney, Van Nistelrooy. ALL of those players are better than every single player Hazard has ever played with in Chelsea. 

Besides, even if Hazard will never be as good as those two players, we're talking about 2 of the top 5 or 6 players to EVER play the sport. What exactly is the shame in not reaching that level:

(1) when you don't have the supporting cast/quality of teammates to do so

(2) and play for defensive minded coaches who hinder your qualities in the big games

Now you have no points anymore and are back to square one. 

What an absolute disgrace these posts are.
Actually laughable.
 
 

You think if hazard was playing to his max ability we would be getting embarrassed by watford and bournemouth??why is hazard not allowed criticism, maybe the criticism is due to his such high standards,all i know is soo many games i just expect him to win us single handedly because its him

Hazard created more chances yesterday than the rest of the team put together, and this a game he apparently choose not to show up. If our two Belgium players leave we are screwed bar having an incredible transfer window replacing them.

3 minutes ago, Jamjar1986 said:

You think if hazard was playing to his max ability we would be getting embarrassed by watford and bournemouth??why is hazard not allowed criticism, maybe the criticism is due to his such high standards,all i know is soo many games i just expect him to win us single handedly because its him

Well against Watford it was Hazard that saved a result until our defense threw it away.

Hazard played left back for the vast majority of the game against PSG away 2014/15. I seem to remember Courtious saving us from an embarrassment in that game.
Back to my initial point, concerning the names you brought up Salah and De Bruyne. You mention Hazard has never had a season like Salah is having but that's your view, maybe goalscoring season but goalscoring is not the only aspect of football if it were then a player like Gerrard will be considered unanimously better than a Zidane or Iniesta and that is obviously false.
 This season both of them will be 1 and 2 in the trophy for best player in the league for the season. I've already shown how Hazard has done it 3 times in the past 13/14, 14/15 and 16/17. Yet apparently De Bruyne and Salah's level is the new level Hazard has to go. See how ridiculous and undefendable your argumentation is? 
Now in desperation you mention Messi and Ronaldo since you have to create another unrealistic category since you realized how daft your initial point of mentioning KDB and Salah was. News flash, Messi has been playing for the best team in football since he was 18. For the most attacking team in football. For the most dominant team littered with not only the best players in the world but some of the best players to ever play football. Ronaldinho, Eto'o, Xavi, Villia, Iniesta, Ibrahimovic, Neymar, Suarez, Deco, Villa. The list is endless. 
Ronaldo's Man united was vastly, and I mean vastly superior to any team Hazard has ever played with. He's played with all time great players in Madrid but even in united also. With Giggs, Scholes, Tevez, Rooney, Van Nistelrooy. ALL of those players are better than every single player Hazard has ever played with in Chelsea. 
Besides, even if Hazard will never be as good as those two players, we're talking about 2 of the top 5 or 6 players to EVER play the sport. What exactly is the shame in not reaching that level:
(1) when you don't have the supporting cast/quality of teammates to do so
(2) and play for defensive minded coaches who hinder your qualities in the big games
Now you have no points anymore and are back to square one. 

I wasnt saying he should be at messis level ffs, i was saying i always thought he would be the one player who could get closest to him and ronaldo,

3 minutes ago, Jamjar1986 said:

You think if hazard was playing to his max ability we would be getting embarrassed by watford and bournemouth??why is hazard not allowed criticism, maybe the criticism is due to his such high standards,all i know is soo many games i just expect him to win us single handedly because its him

And why exactly will you expect any player to do such a thing in a 11 vs 11 sport like football. This isn't basketball. Even in basketball which is a 5 v 5 sport that's impossible to do. 2 of the best players ever Lebron James and Michael Jordan needed help from their teammates to get over the hump. 

This is the absolutely outrageous standard that Hazard critics hold him to that contribute to the poor opinions you've made in this thread. 

1 minute ago, Jamjar1986 said:

I wasnt saying he should be at messis level ffs, i was saying i always thought he would be the one player who could get closest to him and ronaldo,

And why would you think he could be the only player when he clearly doesn't have the supporting cast and has been coached by defensive minded managers for virtually all his Chelsea career? Not trying to be funny or anything but there's nothing realistic or sensible about that.