55 minutes ago, big blue said:

£100m would be a miracle for those 4. 

 

 

Yes but I’m including the population of a small country that we currently have on loan in that. The four I think Marina can squeeze £75/80mil for, she doesn’t do cut price deals! 

12 hours ago, big blue said:

Already brought in £20m for pasalic and nathan.

If real win the league, we get another £15m for hazard.

Bakayoko has been linked to a few clubs for £20m

Emerson looks likely to go back to Italy for £20m

Probably get £15m for Batshuayi, whose in his last year.

Zappacosta will likely head back to Italy for £10m.

Thats £100m of pretty likely transfers.

We’ll also get the money for the Morata transfer this summer as well on top of this list. I also think we’ll get more for Batshuayi than that but we’ll need to wait and see!

14 hours ago, big blue said:

I think we will be stuck with drinkwater, and a few others, but there is still the possibility of Barkley being sold who would bring in a signifant fee, and also zouma has been linked with a move away. 

We will save on wages with big earners like willian and Pedro off the books.

Transfer are ammortised over the length of the contract as well. So a £50m player on a 5 year contract, £10m a year salary, is actually seen as £20m per year signing for 5 years on the books. 

If we are saving that in wages from willian and pedro, it isnt as big of a hit financially as it would appear. 

We are in a very comfortable position, Ziyech and Werner will go towards last years figures aswell. 

Agree on Drinkwater.

Barkley I think we will keep as he is different from existing midfielders and can score.

Zouma currently looks our most dependable CB so I would hope he stays and would think Rudiger is more a candidate to go if we find a replacement.

Tomori loan or sell.

RLC wait  and see how his injuries hold out before a decision.

Odoi has been underwhelming this season, give him another before deciding or a loan?

I would let Jorginho go and on that point loan Gilmour who I see as a similar player.

 

 

 

In regards to buying players we are basically in the reverse of a perfect storm (a perfect heatwave?). We are in an almost unique position in football in that we have a stack of cash from outgoing transfers, an owner willing to allow the spend, positions to buy for and a coach who is seemingly attractive to young players (not like that Valerie)... 

Selling though it's not a great time to be doing that, clubs will be looking at loans, swaps and the cheapest deals they can do. 

5 hours ago, loz said:

 

 

 

 

 

On that particular point I feel Lamptey is one we might regret losing. However that wasn't the club's call and you can't blame him for moving on as James was clearly ahead of him and still young.

 

Odoi, I think its safe to say you and I have disagreed about his potential enough already.

 

I was saying exactly this to a Brighton supporting friend of mine. I think Lamptey is very good. Clearly we chose to stick with James and sell Lamptey, but conceivably we could have had both as our two full backs in a couple of years time. Exciting, pacey and aggressive, they would have been fearsome.

25 minutes ago, Strider6003 said:

Agree on Drinkwater.

Barkley I think we will keep as he is different from existing midfielders and can score.

Zouma currently looks our most dependable CB so I would hope he stays and would think Rudiger is more a candidate to go if we find a replacement.

Tomori loan or sell.

RLC wait  and see how his injuries hold out before a decision.

Odoi has been underwhelming this season, give him another before deciding or a loan?

I would let Jorginho go and on that point loan Gilmour who I see as a similar player.

 

 

 

I agree with most bus strongly diagree on letting Tomori go. Loan possibly, but definitely wouldnt want to see him sold. I think he has great potential. Gilmour being loaned out could be really good for him to ground him and get his strength up.

Tomori seems short for a CB and seems to have a problem with his nerves now and again. 

I didn't want Lamptey to go either, looked our most natural right back replacement, some said he was too short yet of course he was not willing to wait.  

A shame and we move on.

Tomori seems short for a CB and seems to have a problem with his nerves now and again. 

I didn't want Lamptey to go either, looked our most natural right back replacement, some said he was too short yet of course he was not willing to wait.  

A shame and we move on.

He might have been willing to wait if it was just Azpilicueta ahead of him but having James established ahead of him who was still young was probably a deciding factor.

 

To be honest more young players would probably be wise to do the same thing. So many hang about playing reserve football for far too long when they would be much better dropping to a lower profile club or even a league to try and increase the possibility of first team action.

 

The Hazard money is gone that's for sure, we did sign Pulisic and Kovacic and now Ziyech. The Morata money is gone as we signed Werner.

Moses, Drinkwater, Emerson, Zappacosta, Michy, Christensen, Rudiger should be sold but you can't expect us to sell and find replacements so fast either, it's a risk to be in a position where we only have Zouma, Tomori and Ampadu.

Anyway if Kante is now injury prone and if Jorginho will never play we could sell them both for 60m each that's obviously 120m, 10m we got for Pasalic and we should be able to buy a good CB and LB but then we wouldn't sign Havertz.

Edited July 5, 20206 yr by Gol15

3 hours ago, Strider6003 said:

Tomori seems short for a CB and seems to have a problem with his nerves now and again. 

I didn't want Lamptey to go either, looked our most natural right back replacement, some said he was too short yet of course he was not willing to wait.  

A shame and we move on.

Are you Sarri in disguise?

26 minutes ago, Munkworth said:

Are you Sarri in disguise?

One of the most least flattering comment I have received ?

My logic is this, height of CBs is more important than the height of the wide backs. Even with the wide backs if one is 5'5 the other needs to be close to 6'0 for me.

Tomori is 6'1 and although not short is short for a CB, IMO. 

 

Assuming the Newcastle takeover goes ahead and they bid £70m+ for Alonso and Hudson-Odoi, deal or no deal?

I would say yes to both for £70m, don't see it though.

Also important to note that FFP-restrictions have been lifted for 2020 and 21 due to Covid-19. Owners are again allowed to cover loss in excess of 30 million over the period so if Roman is willing this really would be the ideal summer to splash the cash.

 

Seen some great points here but people in regards to the clearout, but some of the prices im seeing are crazy. In no way are we getting 40m for Barkley or under 10m for Emerson (less for barkley and more for emerson)

Assuming that we've spent all the money we got from transfers previously (even though we haven't, and we have plenty of our war chest still left over) we can still raise a massive chunk from our loan players and some from first team.

Outgoings:

Barkley 20m

Bakayoko 20m

Bats 20m

Emerson 20m

Zouma 20m

Moses 5m

Jorginho 50m

Kante 70m

Pedro free

Willian free

Kenedy 5m

Baba 5m?

Zappacosta 10m

 

Thats close to 250m just from selling these players, and I think the pricing is actually reasonable and fair as well. With that money we can actually bring in Havertz 70m and Savic 80m and still have 100m left to spend on some good defensive options. Maybe 30m Tagliafico or 40m Telles. CB we can even get a decent enough option for around 50m. Which looks like it could be Rice atm.

I would personally keep Rudiger and he seems more useful as an agent (bringing in Werner and Havertz) than an actual CB!

Christensen's fate depends on if we manage to definitely sign a CB, and if we do, I have no issue with demoting him further down the pecking order and then selling him on next season based on how well the new CB does.

RLC and CHO I would keep as they still have big potential, CHO especially as hes only 19 and can still improve a lot.

 

 

 

On 04/07/2020 at 23:04, loz said:

That's fair comment but we won't get much for the majority of the loan players.

Let's say we want two top drawer defenders then that's going to cost us north of £90m. We will probably scrape, in current market, to get £60m cumulatively for Batshuayi, Emerson, Moses and Bakayoko.

Bakayoko and Emerson look likely to be leaving for around 20m each (I think 23m for Emerson and 24m for Bakayoko.)

I think Bats we can squeeze another 20-25m as well which gives us around 70m. Moses we won't get much, maybe around 5m which will land us about 75m in total.

And with that 75m + the wages of all of them, we can afford to bring in Havertz.

 

Pretty good deal if you ask me.

22 hours ago, the special one said:

Assuming the Newcastle takeover goes ahead and they bid £70m+ for Alonso and Hudson-Odoi, deal or no deal?

Both for 70m? Not sure how I feel about that.

Maybe if  Hudson-Odoi has a cheap buyback clause then I would say yes

Edited July 7, 20206 yr by driller97

I think we need to be realistic with the market. I'm not convinced that there will be big sales this season. More loans because won't be selling for less than market value I shouldn't think and I don't think teams are going to be throwing 40m at us for people like Michy.

Honest question given our move back to an anchor man, is there a chance Bakayoko stays? He has done well in a role like that at Milan. 

1 minute ago, Spiller86 said:

I think we need to be realistic with the market. I'm not convinced that there will be big sales this season. More loans because won't be selling for less than market value I shouldn't think and I don't think teams are going to be throwing 40m at us for people like Michy.

Honest question given our move back to an anchor man, is there a chance Bakayoko stays? He has done well in a role like that at Milan. 

We can't do endless loan deals anymore as the rules state we can't starting from this season, hence why we're offloading a ton of players from our books.

40m for bats is definitely not happening, but I can see us getting 20-25m for him.

Also there is very little chance Bakayoko stays, would rather sell him for the 20-25m he's being valued at.

1 hour ago, driller97 said:

Seen some great points here but people in regards to the clearout, but some of the prices im seeing are crazy. In no way are we getting 40m for Barkley or under 10m for Emerson (less for barkley and more for emerson)

Assuming that we've spent all the money we got from transfers previously (even though we haven't, and we have plenty of our war chest still left over) we can still raise a massive chunk from our loan players and some from first team.

Outgoings:

Barkley 20m

Bakayoko 20m

Bats 20m

Emerson 20m

Zouma 20m

Moses 5m

Jorginho 50m

Kante 70m

Pedro free

Willian free

Kenedy 5m

Baba 5m?

Zappacosta 10m

 

Thats close to 250m just from selling these players, and I think the pricing is actually reasonable and fair as well. With that money we can actually bring in Havertz 70m and Savic 80m and still have 100m left to spend on some good defensive options. Maybe 30m Tagliafico or 40m Telles. CB we can even get a decent enough option for around 50m. Which looks like it could be Rice atm.

I would personally keep Rudiger and he seems more useful as an agent (bringing in Werner and Havertz) than an actual CB!

Christensen's fate depends on if we manage to definitely sign a CB, and if we do, I have no issue with demoting him further down the pecking order and then selling him on next season based on how well the new CB does.

RLC and CHO I would keep as they still have big potential, CHO especially as hes only 19 and can still improve a lot.

 

 

 

The other thing is any transfer fees we get wont be outright, we wont get that £250m in one big lump this window, the fees will more likely be spread over the length of the contract, especially for the bigger transfers. Obviously thats tempered by the fact we also wont be paying out an transfer fees in one go either.

50 minutes ago, dkw said:

The other thing is any transfer fees we get wont be outright, we wont get that £250m in one big lump this window, the fees will more likely be spread over the length of the contract, especially for the bigger transfers. Obviously thats tempered by the fact we also wont be paying out an transfer fees in one go either.

of course, but the same goes for us buying players as well. we wont pay it all in one lump either.

 

EDIT: yeah just read what you said at the end.

 

I just think there is still a lot of space we can create in the squad by selling players we dont need and cant loan out due to the new rules. We are going to be so cash rich its actually pretty ridiculous, and it looks like we are going to be instantly reinvesting that money as well which is what I would have hoped for

 

Edited July 7, 20206 yr by driller97

3 hours ago, driller97 said:

of course, but the same goes for us buying players as well. we wont pay it all in one lump either.

 

EDIT: yeah just read what you said at the end.

 

I just think there is still a lot of space we can create in the squad by selling players we dont need and cant loan out due to the new rules. We are going to be so cash rich its actually pretty ridiculous, and it looks like we are going to be instantly reinvesting that money as well which is what I would have hoped for

 

I agree with that, I think were in an almost unique position at the highest level at the moment for changing the squad around in that we have assets to sell bit also no real desperation should we want to buy. 

2 minutes ago, dkw said:

I agree with that, I think were in an almost unique position at the highest level at the moment for changing the squad around in that we have assets to sell bit also no real desperation should we want to buy. 

Exactly, not making the silly mistake of selling 1 player and buying another subpar player either. We're looking to sell 3 or 4 players and use the combined fees of all of them to buy 1 great player, which is something we were missing before.

Im sure its been said before, but we are literally only maybe 3 or 4 great signings away from having a solid team/squad. That being a CB, LB and some midfield options if we do decide to sell a couple of our current 1st teamers

I’d say our midfield is absolutely fine. Attackers should be fine now with Werner and Ziyech. I suspect we’ll tie Willian down for one more year.

I wish there was a world class defender we can splurge on but there really isn’t one. We probably should wait for another year, get a LB in this summer but leave the centre backs.

8 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

I’d say our midfield is absolutely fine. Attackers should be fine now with Werner and Ziyech. I suspect we’ll tie Willian down for one more year.

I wish there was a world class defender we can splurge on but there really isn’t one. We probably should wait for another year, get a LB in this summer but leave the centre backs.

MIdfield isn't as fine as you think. Barkley is either great or terrible in his games, RLC and Kante are really injury prone. Jorginho looks like he might leave..

That just leave Kovacic, Mount and Gilmour as our regulars who can start the majority of games, and you could argue its probably too soon to be looking to play Gilmour this much, and honestly same with Mount.

I do agree that attackers we are sorted though, Ziyech CHO, Pulisic with Willian if he stays. Werner, Giroud and Tammy as striker options.

Defence we can definitely find a good LB to sign, especially with Emerson looking to be moving on for 23m. Telles or Tagliafico is my choice with Alonso as backup and Azpi if needs be. Maybe even give Maatsen more game time this year.

CB we still definitely need to sign one. I would sell Zouma and keep Rudiger just because Agent Rudiger helped us bring Werner here, and looks like he's helping with Havertz too. Christensen im 50/50 on - I'd sell if we can sign someone better. Tomori might be worth loaning out, or bring back Ampadu