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Never mind saving the tax payers money, make it PPV and it would be self financing, if not profit making! I dare say there would be a healthy crowd - The Shed End is buying the rights to the merchandising.

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To be honest I'm glad none of you are sitting on the jury.

Same here. I know Barton's got a reputation as a bit of a tw*t, but that doesn't mean people should pre-judge someone when they have very little, or no evidence at all, of what actually happened.

Valerie, why do you automatically assume it was racially motivated - because of his brother's behaviour? I'd be pretty surprised if it was racial - nigh on half the Man.City squad are black. If it was a racial attack, surely they'd have kicked the crap out of him?

I'm not defending Barton, just pointing out that as the details of the incident haven't been made public, he's getting accused of all sorts merely on his reputation, or worse still, on the reputation of his brother. And that's not right.

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Personally I am not a big fan of prison as the obvious solution anyway. There are clear cases where someone should be behind bars in order to protect the rest of society from them however I think there are a lot of cases where just banging someone up is simply a waste of public money and there are far more 'useful' options which would still act as a punishment, still deny them a degree of liberty, potentially put something back into a community they may have crapped on and be more productive in terms of rehabilitation. Screw up the last part and we will be perpetually picking up the tab.

The specifics of Barton's case are not something I would discuss in relation to this as I don't know the full story and so I am not saying that prison would or wouldn't be the right thing for him. He does have previous which shows he has a problem controlling his temper and the fact that he stubbed a cigar out in a teenager's eye (that was him wasn't it?) does kind of point toward a man with a screw more loose than stable.

However of course he deserves a fair trial and of course what his brother did should have no bearing on him.

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Well given all his team mates saw it, and Dabo ended up looking like this, I'd say we're not exactly being that out of order in condemning him as a vile human being, and it won't be hard to prove whether he did it or not. They either saw it or they didn't.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... ustup.html

And you were right Loz, he was the one who decided to settle an arguement with a lit cigar to the eye.

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Valerie, why do you automatically assume it was racially motivated - because of his brother's behaviour? I'd be pretty surprised if it was racial - nigh on half the Man.City squad are black. If it was a racial attack, surely they'd have kicked the crap out of him?

BB, why do you automatically assume that I automatically assume Joey Barton's alleged attack was racially motivated? 317.gif I'm not sure you didn't read carefully enough, or had your PC buttons pushed, or whether I was being ambiguous. That sweet family tradition I mentioned was merely about spending time in jail! I don't give a monkey's ass who was assaulted by whom, and who was polkadotted, striped or furry.

Jeez, in the past you've already claimed I accused you of being a nazi merely because I didn't much care for the gas chamber references in anti-Spurs songs you told me about. You really have to stop jumping to conclusions about me!

Apart from that, Joey Barton has a lovely bum (which could quite possibly be his only lovely part). icon_wink.gif

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Valerie, why do you automatically assume it was racially motivated - because of his brother's behaviour? I'd be pretty surprised if it was racial - nigh on half the Man.City squad are black. If it was a racial attack, surely they'd have kicked the crap out of him?

BB, why do you automatically assume that I automatically assume Joey Barton's alleged attack was racially motivated? 317.gif I'm not sure you didn't read carefully enough, or had your PC buttons pushed, or whether I was being ambiguous. That sweet family tradition I mentioned was merely about spending time in jail! I don't give a monkey's ass who was assaulted by whom, and who was polkadotted, striped or furry.

Maybe you should read your own post again - quite open to misinterpretation. If I made the wrong assumption, then I apologise.

Jeez, in the past you've already claimed I accused you of being a nazi merely because I didn't much care for the gas chamber references in anti-Spurs songs you told me about. You really have to stop jumping to conclusions about me!

I told you that people in the Shed Bar were singing the 'Auschwitz' song, and you reacted as though I'd personally supervised the genocide! icon_eek.gif

I seem to remember you asking me why Chelsea fans hate Tottenham so much, yet every time I tried to answer you interrupted me. Could it be that the answers I was trying to give didn't fit your suspicions? I'd swear you wanted to hear that it was an anti-semitic thing, but so far as I know it was nothing of the kind.

To the best of my knowledge, the hatred for Tottenham started in the mid-60's, after a big punch-up at the 66/67 FA Cup Final, and escalated with a massive ruck at WHL the following season - coincidentally the season I started going to watch Chelsea - though obviously I wasn't involved in the trouble, being only 10 at the time. Naturally, I made up for lost time a few years later icon_wink.gif

Apart from that, Joey Barton has a lovely bum (which could quite possibly be his only lovely part). icon_wink.gif

Sorry, but I feel I'm not an authority on this subject - more in Moos' territory I think icon_wink.gificon_lol.gif

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Valerie, why do you automatically assume it was racially motivated - because of his brother's behaviour? I'd be pretty surprised if it was racial - nigh on half the Man.City squad are black. If it was a racial attack, surely they'd have kicked the crap out of him?

BB, why do you automatically assume that I automatically assume Joey Barton's alleged attack was racially motivated? 317.gif I'm not sure you didn't read carefully enough, or had your PC buttons pushed, or whether I was being ambiguous. That sweet family tradition I mentioned was merely about spending time in jail! I don't give a monkey's ass who was assaulted by whom, and who was polkadotted, striped or furry.

Maybe you should read your own post again - quite open to misinterpretation. If I made the wrong assumption, then I apologise.

Jeez, in the past you've already claimed I accused you of being a nazi merely because I didn't much care for the gas chamber references in anti-Spurs songs you told me about. You really have to stop jumping to conclusions about me!

I told you that people in the Shed Bar were singing the 'Auschwitz' song, and you reacted as though I'd personally supervised the genocide! icon_eek.gif

I seem to remember you asking me why Chelsea fans hate Tottenham so much, yet every time I tried to answer you interrupted me. Could it be that the answers I was trying to give didn't fit your suspicions? I'd swear you wanted to hear that it was an anti-semitic thing, but so far as I know it was nothing of the kind.

Like I said, one of the explanations may have been that I was ambiguous. And please don't even think I blamed YOU for anything even inching towards genocide or the mere thought thereof (and I'm totally in the dark about my supposed suspicions), since I'm quite aware that you're not (I do know my history icon_wink.gif ), and that you're a nice guy, guilty only of hating the French icon_lol.gif . I merely meant to point out to you that especially in Amsterdam, I daily come across the memory of the annihalation (spelling?) of the Jews and my parents' stories about their friends not returning from the camps. It is therefore a very shocking song to me. Chelsea supporters singing it, even in "jest", is a very disturbing picture for me, and I didn't even live during that time. But, once again, perhaps I was ambiguous.

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Like I said, one of the explanations may have been that I was ambiguous. And please don't even think I blamed YOU for anything even inching towards genocide or the mere thought thereof (and I'm totally in the dark about my supposed suspicions), since I'm quite aware that you're not (I do know my history icon_wink.gif ), and that you're a nice guy, guilty only of hating the French icon_lol.gif . I merely meant to point out to you that especially in Amsterdam, I daily come across the memory of the annihalation (spelling?) of the Jews and my parents' stories about their friends not returning from the camps. It is therefore a very shocking song to me. Chelsea supporters singing it, even in "jest", is a very disturbing picture for me, and I didn't even live during that time. But, once again, perhaps I was ambiguous.

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Sorry everybody, Steve and I have veered sign_offtopic.gif

Of course we're friends again! 556.gif

I think that most people in the UK are more distanced from the horrors of the holocaust than people from mainland Europe, for obvious reasons. Relatively few in comparison had family members or friends who were taken to the camps, though I doubt if anyone who has seen footage of the trains being loaded up for places like Auschwitz, Dachau and the like will ever forget the awful images. I know I won't, and that's why I took such exception to what I thought you were inferring. The holocaust wasn't just limited to the Germans though - thousands, or more likely, millions of Jews were exterminated in Russia too. Then there was the genocide in America, when the Native Americans were almost wiped out - though that was over a longer period of time.

I don't believe for a moment that the Chelsea fans who sing those songs to Tottenham are in favour of genocide - the songs are merely a way of winding the c*nts up - I suppose the British sense of humour takes a lot of understanding icon_lol.gif

We do seem to have veered off the subject of Joey Barton just a tad....... icon_lol.gif

ps - I still f*ckin' hate the French! icon_wink.gif

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Like I said, one of the explanations may have been that I was ambiguous. And please don't even think I blamed YOU for anything even inching towards genocide or the mere thought thereof (and I'm totally in the dark about my supposed suspicions), since I'm quite aware that you're not (I do know my history icon_wink.gif ), and that you're a nice guy, guilty only of hating the French icon_lol.gif . I merely meant to point out to you that especially in Amsterdam, I daily come across the memory of the annihalation (spelling?) of the Jews and my parents' stories about their friends not returning from the camps. It is therefore a very shocking song to me. Chelsea supporters singing it, even in "jest", is a very disturbing picture for me, and I didn't even live during that time. But, once again, perhaps I was ambiguous.

Friends again?

Sorry everybody, Steve and I have veered sign_offtopic.gif

Of course we're friends again! 556.gif

I think that most people in the UK are more distanced from the horrors of the holocaust than people from mainland Europe, for obvious reasons. Relatively few in comparison had family members or friends who were taken to the camps, though I doubt if anyone who has seen footage of the trains being loaded up for places like Auschwitz, Dachau and the like will ever forget the awful images. I know I won't, and that's why I took such exception to what I thought you were inferring. The holocaust wasn't just limited to the Germans though - thousands, or more likely, millions of Jews were exterminated in Russia too. Then there was the genocide in America, when the Native Americans were almost wiped out - though that was over a longer period of time.

I don't believe for a moment that the Chelsea fans who sing those songs to Tottenham are in favour of genocide - the songs are merely a way of winding the c*nts up - I suppose the British sense of humour takes a lot of understanding icon_lol.gif

We do seem to have veered off the subject of Joey Barton just a tad....... icon_lol.gif

ps - I still f*ckin' hate the French! icon_wink.gif

To clear up the confusion I think Valerie was referring to the attack by Barton's brother as racially motivated. I remember that case quite well and he was put in jail for life after being involved in the murder of a black kid in Liverpool. The kid was racially harassed from the moment he started waiting at a bus stop near a pub that they were hanging out at. He moved on and was followed before finally being confronted and fatally assaulted with a pretty gruesome selection of weapons.

Of course that doesn't mean that Joey Barton himself is a racist although the term "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree" seems to be quite appropriate in this case. The latest incident is just one of many occasions where he has been in trouble. It happened at 5:30AM after he had apparently been out on the town in Liverpool. Considering that he is in the middle of a busy festive fixture list I'd say that being out on the town at that time of night is irresponsible alone. I'd expect his career at Newcastle to be under threat if he is charged. The only hope for him is if he is managed by somebody who can curb that side of his personality. Perhaps Alan Curbishley will take a risk as he seems to have a penchant for football's bad boys.

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To me, the oddest part is that Newcastle fans were happy, HAPPY I SAY, about the fact that this cockroach was coming to their club to replace Scott Parker. That is the same Scott Parker who wore the captains armband for them and performed very well as a consistant starter.

Any disparity in talent (and all things equal, I would take Parker over Barton anyway) surely the reputation that preceeded this piece of dirt would offeset any potential benefeits. No wonder Newcastle seem doomed to mediocrity

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