Mourinho activating Nico Paz’s buy back clause to sell him onto a European club. Need to push for him to be included in the Enzo deal, would be a huge upgrade.

1 hour ago, dermott said:

Wirtz might well turn out to be another BL fizzer. Hard to know yet. The 'Pool forward set up is/was a mess, his role was never clear, he looked lost. Regardless, it's just yet another rumour, and tied to getting top dollar for Enzo.

Im sure spurs fans tried that argument with Timo.... turns out even in the Spurs shirt he couldnt look along a line and shares Jacksons DNA. 😂

1 hour ago, GarnachoCheese said:

Mourinho activating Nico Paz’s buy back clause to sell him onto a European club. Need to push for him to be included in the Enzo deal, would be a huge upgrade.

Upgrade to who? Palmer?.. would technically be one, considering his form, but it would be a luxury signing. Played on the right wing just the one time, so can’t see that.. got a better defensive mind than Palmer though and can actually tackle. Feel when he’s playing a bit deeper and seemingly running the midfield, that’s Serie A tax, can’t see him playing alongside Caicedo, no balance.

The guys been pictured in a Chelsea shirt as a kid, so if United were to splurge £100m on Palmer it’s a go.

Of course Yan Diomande failed a trial at Chelsea. 😅🤦‍♂️

2 hours ago, dermott said:

Wirtz might well turn out to be another BL fizzer. Hard to know yet. The 'Pool forward set up is/was a mess, his role was never clear, he looked lost. Regardless, it's just yet another rumour, and tied to getting top dollar for Enzo.

Florian Wirtz is a really good player. The issue with the big money signings is . .. well, its the big money. It sets a player up to fail. £100 million (€117.5 million) or £107 million (€125 million), with £16 million (€18.8 million) or €25 million in bonuses (depending on the source) . . .it can be overwhelming. I would say Wirtz is a better player than Yan Diomande.

Edited Sunday at 12:162 days by TheCeleryKing

I said Cucurella would be going to Real Madrid along with Enzo, ill also say now WE WONT BE SIGNING ANYONE ELSE, we are skint

I think we will see four going and two coming in and it might net off though with things like £10m comp for Maresca we might still have a positive spend over our sales amount.

Can't see any major purchases though.

5 hours ago, Term_X said:

Upgrade to who? Palmer?.. would technically be one, considering his form, but it would be a luxury signing. Played on the right wing just the one time, so can’t see that.. got a better defensive mind than Palmer though and can actually tackle. Feel when he’s playing a bit deeper and seemingly running the midfield, that’s Serie A tax, can’t see him playing alongside Caicedo, no balance.

The guys been pictured in a Chelsea shirt as a kid, so if United were to splurge £100m on Palmer it’s a go.

Why is Palmer being mentioned? He comes in and replaces Enzo in the role he was afforded last season.

34 minutes ago, GarnachoCheese said:

Why is Palmer being mentioned? He comes in and replaces Enzo in the role he was afforded last season.

Rather have balance. With Palmer, there can be no Paz. We need a real midfield.

2 hours ago, Term_X said:

Rather have balance. With Palmer, there can be no Paz. We need a real midfield.

There are multiple formations a manager can deploy to balance the team.

Wharton & Lacroix from Palace would both be HUGE upgrades on what we already have and at smart prices with their manager turmoil.

We don’t need to sign a huge abundance just the right players in the right positions.

A GK, a CB (Lacroix), a forward thinking CM (Wharton) and a LW and we’re cushty.

Give Palmer some freedom, which I’m sure Alonso will, and he’ll return to the player we all love. Stevie staying injury free and getting a run in the side will be like a new signing as well.

Our creative players missing out on the WC is such a blessing. CP, JP, Stevie all with a full summer of rest under an attacking manager.

1st Premier League title in a decade incoming.

3 hours ago, GarnachoCheese said:

There are multiple formations a manager can deploy to balance the team.

If you’ve been watching Como, you’ll know Paz is Palmer, and Palmer is Paz. They would be like-for-like signings. Not even Blueco are going to waste financial resources like that. And the argument of squad depth doesn’t work, as Madrid will want stupid money.

46 minutes ago, Term_X said:

Madrid will want stupid money.

It doesn't matter as Real Madrid have no say in what happens to him. Real Madrid are trying to buy him back and sell him elsewhere but the new RSTP makes this actually impossible to enforce. They only way Real Madrid can exercise their contract is if Paz wants to return to them or agrees to their plan, which would be unbelievably stupid given if no other offers come in he'd be competing with Bellingham, Guler and Valverde in a team led by Jose Mourinho.

Paz is registered to Como and, as he originally signed on a four-year deal and the protected period of his contract has expired, he has full liberty to move wherever he chooses. Real Madrid have no grounds to take action against either Como or any buying club, thanks to FIFA's transfer rule changes.

That said, Paz is the first young attacker in Serie A i've seen since Salah who looks like they could potentially make the step up to a bigger league.

8 hours ago, Term_X said:

If you’ve been watching Como, you’ll know Paz is Palmer, and Palmer is Paz. They would be like-for-like signings. Not even Blueco are going to waste financial resources like that. And the argument of squad depth doesn’t work, as Madrid will want stupid money.

Not only do i watch Como, i was there twice last season for games. Nico Paz is the perfect archetype for the role we had Enzo playing last season.

1 hour ago, GarnachoCheese said:

Not only do i watch Como, i was there twice last season for games. Nico Paz is the perfect archetype for the role we had Enzo playing last season.

We’ll see how Alonso wants to set things up I suppose. Not the midfield I’d want to see personally. Paz has earned the right to just keep playing the Palmer role, less reliance on him doing the hard yards that way.

In reality, he should stay. Como have made the UCL, kept Fabregas, and he’s the star of the show, they should do what they can to stump up the cash, and just provide the necessary clauses in the contract for him. Mourinho probably won’t last long at Madrid anyway.

8 hours ago, SydneyChelsea said:

It doesn't matter as Real Madrid have no say in what happens to him. Real Madrid are trying to buy him back and sell him elsewhere but the new RSTP makes this actually impossible to enforce. They only way Real Madrid can exercise their contract is if Paz wants to return to them or agrees to their plan, which would be unbelievably stupid given if no other offers come in he'd be competing with Bellingham, Guler and Valverde in a team led by Jose Mourinho.

Paz is registered to Como and, as he originally signed on a four-year deal and the protected period of his contract has expired, he has full liberty to move wherever he chooses. Real Madrid have no grounds to take action against either Como or any buying club, thanks to FIFA's transfer rule changes.

That said, Paz is the first young attacker in Serie A i've seen since Salah who looks like they could potentially make the step up to a bigger league.

Good to know. Funny how the media spinned it isn’t it. Part of me, maybe tinfoil hat part, thinks Madrid operate a sort of hands-off or we end relationships type of thing behind the scenes under Perez, and we’re already desperate for them to take Enzo from us. Aware of the transfer changes from your threads, so probs redundant, just a feeling.

I know Paz and Palmer are similar 10s but what if Alonso is going with a 3 at the back formation, we could easily work with two 10s with wingbacks giving the width. Palmer likes to drift in from the right meaning he can at times occupy the side with the more defensively minded wingback. We can also keep the promise of Estevao being used in the 10 also. He could similarly drift into the wide areas. I can see it working, as let's be honest our wingers are useless so we can solve that issue by not playing them or selling them. The idea of Paz or Guler is much more exciting than the type of wingers available.

Quenda as the attacking wing back I even think Neto might be better suited to an attacking wing back rather than a winger.

*Not sure if I was clear but in this scenario we sell Garnacho

16 hours ago, The Boehly Babes said:

Wharton & Lacroix from Palace would both be HUGE upgrades on what we already have and at smart prices with their manager turmoil.

THERE IS NO MANAGER TURMOIL - THEY HAVE APPOINTED PIERRE SAGE FROM LENS

AS FOR SIGNING WHARTON AND LACROIX - NO CHANCE

PALACE WANT 100M FOR WHARTON AND 50M FOR LACROIX

16 hours ago, The Boehly Babes said:

A GK, a CB (Lacroix), a forward thinking CM (Wharton) and a LW and we’re cushty.

We've just spent £90M on two LWs last summer. They'll be our first and second choice LWs for next season.

THIS SHOWS HOW BAD WE HAVE BECOME

WE ARE LOOKING TO SIGN A PLAYER (BERGVALL) WHO CANT EVEN GET INTO A SPURS TEAM THAT SURVIVED BEING RELEGATED LAST SEASON, MEANWHILE TOTTENHAM SIGNED 2 CENTERBACKS WE WERE LOOKING AT, AND ARE GOING BACK FOR TONALI AND FERNANDES

WE ARE SKINT AND ANY MONEY WE MAKE FROM SELLING PLAYERS IS GOING TO PAY OFF THE DEBT, WE HAVE NO EUROPEAN FOOTBALL SO DONT NEED A MASSIVE SQUAD

2 hours ago, DarkMata said:

I know Paz and Palmer are similar 10s but what if Alonso is going with a 3 at the back formation, we could easily work with two 10s with wingbacks giving the width. Palmer likes to drift in from the right meaning he can at times occupy the side with the more defensively minded wingback. We can also keep the promise of Estevao being used in the 10 also. He could similarly drift into the wide areas. I can see it working, as let's be honest our wingers are useless so we can solve that issue by not playing them or selling them. The idea of Paz or Guler is much more exciting than the type of wingers available.

Quenda as the attacking wing back I even think Neto might be better suited to an attacking wing back rather than a winger.

*Not sure if I was clear but in this scenario we sell Garnacho

I'm against it.

Unless the wingbacks are very attacking oriented we aren't going to have that many numbers in the box. Wingbacks are a rare breed, and GOOD wingbacks are an even rarer breed. You'll just end up with Zappacosta, Emerson, Frimpong, etc.

God forbid Gusto is our attacking outlet at RWB, and I also don't want to go into the route of turning our wingers into wingbacks because Neto's problem will always be his brain and Quenda looks far more promising as an actual attacker.

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I'm against it.

Unless the wingbacks are very attacking oriented we aren't going to have that many numbers in the box. Wingbacks are a rare breed, and GOOD wingbacks are an even rarer breed. You'll just end up with Zappacosta, Emerson, Frimpong, etc.

God forbid Gusto is our attacking outlet at RWB, and I also don't want to go into the route of turning our wingers into wingbacks because Neto's problem will always be his brain and Quenda looks far more promising as an actual attacker.

I've never been a fan of the back 3 myself, feels like setting up negatively from the get go. Alonso has had success with it so is likely to use it at some point if not his main formation. We do need another 10 to give Palmer competition although not a priority someone better than Buonanotte. Palmer can play from the right too which Im not sure Paz does (correct me if Im wrong). A more versatile player like Rogers would probably make more sense then we can play both systems without having to bench one as both can move out wide.

“Aston Villa co-owner Nassef Sawiris is determined to ignore all interest in Morgan Rogers unless he receives offers well above £100m. He looks at the fee of about £120m Manchester City might pay for Elliot Anderson.”

Reckon the winner of this transfer window will be the club that decides not to enter into this crazy window. The ridiculous fee isn’t the only problem; you sign a £100m player, and he will be demanding £250k/w. If he flops you are screwed.

I don’t think either Rogers or Wharton leave tbh

8 hours ago, DarkMata said:

I know Paz and Palmer are similar 10s but what if Alonso is going with a 3 at the back formation, we could easily work with two 10s with wingbacks giving the width. Palmer likes to drift in from the right meaning he can at times occupy the side with the more defensively minded wingback. We can also keep the promise of Estevao being used in the 10 also. He could similarly drift into the wide areas. I can see it working, as let's be honest our wingers are useless so we can solve that issue by not playing them or selling them. The idea of Paz or Guler is much more exciting than the type of wingers available.

Quenda as the attacking wing back I even think Neto might be better suited to an attacking wing back rather than a winger.

*Not sure if I was clear but in this scenario we sell Garnacho

You had me at sell Garnacho….. but in all seriousness I think we are all doing the same thing we do every window, hope.

The facts are we are selling first team players because they want out plus nobody wants Garnacho and the rest or our sh*t and the books need balancing.

I really worry that all this speculation is just that and we head into next season with another slightly weaker squad like we have after every window since this mob took over. Please prove me wrong.