19 hours ago, Peckham Blue said:

Fair play to Terry Hennessey of Forest and Derby for not trying to cover it up.

Alan Gilzean- who was another one who seemed born 36 -had a weird barnet- long at the back and sod all up front.

The late Noel Brotherston had clowns hair. 

Kept expecting him to say to his opponent “ smell my flower” Cue water sprayed into eyes....

 

Edited December 10, 20187 yr by Ewell CFC

Paul Canoville on Chelsea 1983-84 - Chelsea FanCast #280 Pt 4 17/03/14  

We talk to former Chelsea player Paul Canoville about his Q&A event with Pat Nevin, Kerry Dixon, Mickey Thomas and Big Doug Rougvie and also about that famous 1983-84 season when Chelsea won the old Division 2 to get back to Division 1

On ‎09‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 12:28, Boyne said:

From 1919.

Compare the pitch markings for 1919 to that just 18 years earlier !

The penalty kick was introduced in 1891 but the penalty spot did not arrive until 1902.

The penalty line which ran parallel but twelve yards away from the goal line. This can be seen clearly on the picture below and the penalty kick could be taken anywhere along the line.

Picture 1901 FA Cup Final Tottenham Hotspur v Sheffield United
Source: Internet: http://commons.wikimedia.org/

 

'With the introduction of rules, the features of the football pitch as we know it slowly began to appear. The kick-off required a centre spot; keeping players ten yards from the ball at kick-off, brought the centre circle. It is interesting to note that when the penalty came in 1891, it was not taken from a spot but anywhere along a 12-yard line before 1902.

The 1902 decision to award penalties for fouls committed in an area 18 yards from the goal line and 44 yards wide, created both the penalty box and penalty spot. Another box 'goal area', commonly called the 'six-yard-box', six yards long and 20 wide, replaced a semi circle in the goalmouth. However it was not for another 35 years that the final piece of the jigsaw, the 'D' shape at the edge of the penalty area,'

Just in case anyone is interested !

April 19, 1902
 FA Cup, Final, at Crystal Palace,
Sheffield United – Southampton 1-1

Can you image the amount of penalties we'd get today if the old 1891-1902 pitch marking shown above and rulings would take place !

Players would very probably be going down when receiving the 'minimum of contact' all the width of the pitch inside that line across the pitch

Just thought this was a better picture of a pitch markings back then. Before the penalty area markings and rulings came into being.

Before we were formed !

Edited December 11, 20187 yr by erskblue

@erskblue Thanks for posting the pictures from the 1901 and 1902 cup finals. Very interesting to see the way pitch markings have changed over the years. The six yard area is an interesting shape.

I read a book a while back - been trying to remember the title - about how the rules of football developed in the 19th century. There were loads of different rules around the country and it was only during the 1860s and 1870s that the rules of football and rugby started to be standardised. And even after that some organisations e.g. Eton School with the Eton Wall game stuck to other walls. And there are still towns which play Shrove Tuesday games. They look quite violent. That rugby (union and league) and football were at one stage closely linked can be seen in names. Some clubs e.g. Hull FC and Blackheath don't have rugby in their names.

A bit off subject.: London's oldest football club, Cray Wanders which was formed in 1863 hasn't had a fixed home for a few years. However, one of the London Councils has recently given permission for Cray Wanderers to set up home. The new ground is about a mile from where I live.

5 hours ago, Boyne said:

The gates are just opened and already there are more supporters in The Shed than QPR are bringing !

Great picture.

9 hours ago, Boyne said:

@erskblue Thanks for posting the pictures from the 1901 and 1902 cup finals. Very interesting to see the way pitch markings have changed over the years. The six yard area is an interesting shape.

I read a book a while back - been trying to remember the title - about how the rules of football developed in the 19th century. There were loads of different rules around the country and it was only during the 1860s and 1870s that the rules of football and rugby started to be standardised. And even after that some organisations e.g. Eton School with the Eton Wall game stuck to other walls. And there are still towns which play Shrove Tuesday games. They look quite violent. That rugby (union and league) and football were at one stage closely linked can be seen in names. Some clubs e.g. Hull FC and Blackheath don't have rugby in their names.

A bit off subject.: London's oldest football club, Cray Wanders which was formed in 1863 hasn't had a fixed home for a few years. However, one of the London Councils has recently given permission for Cray Wanderers to set up home. The new ground is about a mile from where I live.

https://www.fifa.com/about-fifa/who-we-are/the-laws/index.html

History of the Laws of the Game

From 1863 to the Present Day

I found this site interesting. And got some of the info from it,

34 minutes ago, erskblue said:

https://www.fifa.com/about-fifa/who-we-are/the-laws/index.html

History of the Laws of the Game

From 1863 to the Present Day

I found this site interesting. And got some of the info from it,

Some interesting laws in the early days of football especially the one about offside. So much more different from today.

1 hour ago, erskblue said:

The gates are just opened and already there are more supporters in The Shed than QPR are bringing !

Great picture.

Maybe it's QPR taking the shed!!!!

8 hours ago, Boyne said:

Concrete steps with weeds growing through, iron railings, a corrugated iron roof, and a 10 foot metal fence with the threat of being electrified, pure beauty!!!

Edited December 11, 20187 yr by chi blue

8 hours ago, chi blue said:

Maybe it's QPR taking the shed!!!!

Nah remember the last time they had as many as that in their away support was Wembley 1982...

11 hours ago, chi blue said:

Concrete steps with weeds growing through, iron railings, a corrugated iron roof, and a 10 foot metal fence with the threat of being electrified, pure beauty!!!

Mention of the electrification of the fence reminds me of a conversation I had with a guy in my local pub a few months ago. His father owned the company which was asked by Chelsea to electrify the fence. At the time, the owner asked Ken Bates if electrifying the fence was legal. Ken responded by saying: just do the work. As we know the local council pulled the plug (sorry for the pun) on electrifying the fence.

On 11/12/2018 at 16:54, Boyne said:

@erskblue Thanks for posting the pictures from the 1901 and 1902 cup finals. Very interesting to see the way pitch markings have changed over the years. The six yard area is an interesting shape.

I read a book a while back - been trying to remember the title - about how the rules of football developed in the 19th century. There were loads of different rules around the country and it was only during the 1860s and 1870s that the rules of football and rugby started to be standardised. And even after that some organisations e.g. Eton School with the Eton Wall game stuck to other walls. And there are still towns which play Shrove Tuesday games. They look quite violent. That rugby (union and league) and football were at one stage closely linked can be seen in names. Some clubs e.g. Hull FC and Blackheath don't have rugby in their names.

A bit off subject.: London's oldest football club, Cray Wanders which was formed in 1863 hasn't had a fixed home for a few years. However, one of the London Councils has recently given permission for Cray Wanderers to set up home. The new ground is about a mile from where I live.

I've got a few mates that lived near the original site of the ground, and were involved with Cray Wanderers in some form or another (Millwall supporters to boot). Where's the new ground going to be Boyne?

16 hours ago, chi blue said:

Concrete steps with weeds growing through, iron railings, a corrugated iron roof, and a 10 foot metal fence with the threat of being electrified, pure beauty!!!

But what a great place to start watching football! How boring is it these days that you are still in the same place after a near miss or a goal!

On 11/12/2018 at 09:54, Boyne said:

@erskblue Thanks for posting the pictures from the 1901 and 1902 cup finals. Very interesting to see the way pitch markings have changed over the years. The six yard area is an interesting shape.

I read a book a while back - been trying to remember the title - about how the rules of football developed in the 19th century. There were loads of different rules around the country and it was only during the 1860s and 1870s that the rules of football and rugby started to be standardised. And even after that some organisations e.g. Eton School with the Eton Wall game stuck to other walls. And there are still towns which play Shrove Tuesday games. They look quite violent. That rugby (union and league) and football were at one stage closely linked can be seen in names. Some clubs e.g. Hull FC and Blackheath don't have rugby in their names.

A bit off subject.: London's oldest football club, Cray Wanders which was formed in 1863 hasn't had a fixed home for a few years. However, one of the London Councils has recently given permission for Cray Wanderers to set up home. The new ground is about a mile from where I live.

They’ve been playing at my local team Bromley for a while 

1 hour ago, Richard P said:

But what a great place to start watching football! How boring is it these days that you are still in the same place after a near miss or a goal!

Instead of hoping you don't smashed into a barrier on the way down the steps, yes it is boring !

3 hours ago, Richard P said:

But what a great place to start watching football! How boring is it these days that you are still in the same place after a near miss or a goal!

The only problem is, some of the old un's wouldn't  be able to get up again after a crowd surge these days, not including any of us fit and athletic 50 something's on this forum though obviously!!!

6 hours ago, old git said:

I've got a few mates that lived near the original site of the ground, and were involved with Cray Wanderers in some form or another (Millwall supporters to boot). Where's the new ground going to be Boyne?

 

4 hours ago, Richard P said:

They’ve been playing at my local team Bromley for a while 

Cray Wanders new ground will be on the Sidcup bypass (part of the A20).

https://www.cray-wanderers.com/stadium-updates/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46360489

The new Stadium will have 1,300 seats. 

2 hours ago, Boyne said:

 

Cray Wanders new ground will be on the Sidcup bypass (part of the A20).

https://www.cray-wanderers.com/stadium-updates/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46360489

The new Stadium will have 1,300 seats. 

That’s a lot of seats for their level ?!  The last new ground in the area at Dartford doesn’t have that many and they’re a few leagues higher. 

Will be a good stadium to hold Finals locally and bring in some extra money.

https://thesefootballtimes.co/2018/12/14/the-emperors-of-athens-how-chelsea-won-the-cup-winners-cup-in-1971/

Worth a read.

Actually I've posted this article in a thread of it's own.

On ‎12‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 17:39, chi blue said:

The only problem is, some of the old un's wouldn't  be able to get up again after a crowd surge these days, not including any of us fit and athletic 50 something's on this forum though obviously!!!

And we'd be saying things like (in a grumpy old git like manner): ' Huh call that a crowd surge ?  'That's not a real crowd surge, Back in the 1970s and 80s. Now, that was when real crowd surges took place !'

Brighton away in Sept 1983.

Chelsea were quickly in their stride and when the hapless Steve Foster handled in the box, Dixon gave the visitors the lead.

…a shaken Brighton stormed back. It started when Jimmy Case took a free kick that Niedzwiecki failed to hold and Young did the rest with a spectacular overhead kick.

Brighton’s joy was short-lived. A minute later Chelsea scored the winner. This time it was the consistent Clive Walker who squared the ball almost from the byeline across goal.

‘Keeper Digweed could only get his left hand to it and he pulled it down for Dixon to volley into the net.

This game and that season I believe has been mentioned in Vintage...

2 hours ago, erskblue said:

https://thesefootballtimes.co/2018/12/14/the-emperors-of-athens-how-chelsea-won-the-cup-winners-cup-in-1971/

Worth a read.

Actually I've posted this article in a thread of it's own.

Interesting article, thanks for posting. Such a shame that Chelsea didn't enter the European Cup in 1955-56. It would have been great to see how far they would have progressed. The Football League's refusal to let Chelsea enter is another example of the attitude of the footballing authorities attitude to international tournaments at that time. I'm sure that I read that the FA didn't want the national team to enter the World Cup for many years.