I will say that some of the reasons we're the whipping boys are self-inflicted.

 

I've gone into it before and I might go into it again, when I'm so inclined.

 

We went after the England manager, Eriksson, we went after Liverpool's captain, we tapped up Arsenal's left-back, we tapped up Tottenham's technical director, we poached Utd's chief executive. Big, blue-chip, established clubs.

 

We became ruthless in our pursuit of victory. We became the big, bad guys and I understand that, and everybody needs a common enemy, and the media understand that, but the idea we get treated the same as everybody else?

 

Nah, not having it.

Some IT savvy type could show the amount of coverage for each club and the associated type of language. This could be broken down into the different media areas and then more for analysis; the BBC and then MOTD for example.

This is useful in research and I would love to see this from someone with the time and skills. It would be very interesting.

Vertgohan had his hand at someone's throat tonight, be interesting to see what happens there = nothing.

 

Not sure anything would've happened with Costa. Plus Dean clearly saw it so no room for retrospective action.

I agree that there is some sort of agenda, why pretend that there is no agenda? It's been evident that we have recieved little respect for quite some time, whether it be in various newspapers, or Sky TV. So Citeh supporters have being mocked for believing that there is an agenda against them, but the difference between us and them is, they only started to find success in 2010, we have been a hated club since 2003/04, the hatred has built up for a long while, many neatruls don't like us for various reasons, they are mainly just envious. Many clubs don't like us, as someone stated in an earlier post, MOTD historic goals of the season are determined by a Liverpool fan, who didn't remain impartial, it's not always easy for people in the media to remain impartial, just look at TAlKSPORT, hardly a shining example of professionalism, we get no respect from neutrals, is it really hard to believe that there is a bit of an agenda from various people in the media?

Edited January 28, 201511 yr by Floyd25

I would say he was a dirty little c**t, i wouldnt be demanding he was banned for 3 games for violent conduct, because that is not violent conduct

 

It depends what way you're looking at it.

 

You need to remember that this isn't a such a dumbed down game anymore, ha I'm saying that and I've just went on about the F.A. being hit and miss.

 

However regardless even striking a player in what some would see a pat on the cheek results in a red card, if it was intentional.

 

Remember Yaya Toure kicking and slapping Mata a few years ago? How many people were outraged with that, but truthfully he give him a little kick when he was on the floor then patted him on the cheek. He still should have been sent off and suspended, because that was intentional, you can't do stuff like that anymore, no matter what levels of pain the player is inflicting.

 

I'll bring up another incident, first match from the season of 2011/2012 Joey Barton gets into bother with Gervinho, Gervinho pats him on the face, Barton goes down crying for a sending off. As stupid as it looked it was still a red card, Gervinho was the idiot reacting like that despite not much being in it and no way could that force take a player down, you still can't just strike a player like that regardless of how soft it is.

Edited January 28, 201511 yr by Slawth

Many clubs don't like us, as someone stated in an earlier post, MOTD goals of the season are determined by a Liverpool fan, who didn't remain impartial,

 

 

MOTD goal of the season is voted on by the public from a selection of goals which have won the monthly awards....which are voted on by the public.

f**k it. Time for remy to step up.

Historic years.

MOTD goal of the season is voted on by the public from a selection of goals which have won the monthly awards....which are voted on by the public.

F-ing idiot Costa, sorry you cant do sh*t like that especially since we're under constant scrutiny.

He better play Saturday.

f**k it. Time for remy to step up.

I don't think his ready yet especially for big games such as the one on Saturday

Not sure anything would've happened with Costa. Plus Dean clearly saw it so no room for retrospective action.

I never seen it but my mate said that Dean didn't book or even acknowledge it during the game?

So have you decided if it's media driven or 'more established clubs' using their sway to manipulate the press?

 

You also haven't actually revealed your experience of the media and the way it actually works....in reality.

 

See, I can see why you might think there's an agenda....and I can see why City fans think the same, why Liverpool fans moan about the London-based media elite etc. But you can't answer the most simple questions which fundamentally undermines your argument. Sorry.

 

All I know is the media make decisions about what they say, what they reveal, and what stance they take, and many influences are at play. It's all immaterial however and it's another diversionary tactic on your part. You claim there's no agenda, I've given you the Ryan Giggs example and if you're not careful I'll give you a thousand more. If you're honest you'll admit you're baffled by it. You can't come up with a reason other than absurd ones.

 

No public interest? Pull the other one.

 

Let me tell you how the meeting went between Stuart Pearce and the Team GB press officer (his name was Nigel) ..

 

Stuart: I'm thinking of making Ashley Cole my captain. Great player. Another left-back, like me.

 

Nigel: No no no Stuart, don't do that.

 

Stuart: Why ever not?

 

Nigel: The media will butcher you. They won't let it rest.

 

Stuart: I don't give a fig. I'm Stuart Pearce. I'll do what I want.

 

Nigel shakes his head forlornly.

 

Stuart: Who then?

 

Nigel: Ryan Giggs?

 

Stuart: Do what John?

 

Nigel: It's not John Stuart, it's Nigel.

 

Stuart: Do what Nigel?

 

Nigel: The press won't say a word. Your OBE will be in the post. Trust me.

 

You've obviously never watched Yes Minister. Trust me it's all true.

 

On another bizarre note, do you know Stuart Pearce racially abused Paul Ince in his playing days, the same Stuart Pearce who was appointed Team GB football manager and was given the England job in a caretaker role when Capello quit because ..

 

He quit because the FA stripped Terry of the captaincy for ..

 

For allegedly racially abusing someone, that's right.

 

Capello didn't believe in trial by media, and he stuck to his guns, despite the fact he had just successfully completed a two year qualifying campaign for the Euros.

 

Just a pity he didn't have Ryan Giggs as captain ..

 

His OBE would be in the post.

I'm not a huge fan of conspiracy theories or accusing the media of having some agenda. I don't really think it works like that. I can't imagine that there is a single person or group of people with a bias against Chelsea driving a narrative against us. I will say that it is readily apparent that we are not liked by the fan bases of the other big teams. This is of course understandable when you consider our success and the notion that all of the fans of the big teams hate all of the other big teams.

 

I think the it's quite easy for the media in situations like this to drive a narrative to the point of exhaustion simply because they know it will sell. Sex sells but so does confirmation that the thing you hate is worth hating. I think that is what this is ultimately. Now there are journalists out there with a clear bias. They usually dot their opinion pieces with all sorts of suggestive language. This is expected. I would also suspect that a lack of sustained success prior to Roman coming on board means we don't have a built in legacy of supporters in these positions to help our cases, but I think that will change as the years go by. Jose himself has lamented the lack of Chelsea pundits on the big networks. 

 

Ultimately I guess I'm saying that I don't think their is an agenda perse but the networks and the journalists will never have a problem throwing us under the bus at the slightest opportunity. After all it, it means they will sell more.

All I know is the media make decisions about what they say, what they reveal, and what stance they take, and many influences are at play. It's all immaterial however and it's another diversionary tactic on your part. You claim there's no agenda, I've given you the Ryan Giggs example and if you're not careful I'll give you a thousand more. If you're honest you'll admit you're baffled by it. You can't come up with a reason other than absurd ones.

 

 

If I'm not careful? For f**k's sake don't act the big man when you can't even answer the most simple of questions.

 

I've said I'm quite happy to have a discussion about the specifics at play here, the reasons for it. You're the only who is diverting attention by bringing up why this wasn't a story.

 

Let's have an honest discussion ok. WHO is orchestrating it and WHY? Two very simply questions.

 

 

You've obviously never watched Yes Minister. Trust me it's all true.

 

 

You've obviously never met a single person who works in that homogenous whole that you call 'the media'.

 

 

Ultimately I guess I'm saying that I don't think their is an agenda perse but the networks and the journalists will never have a problem throwing us under the bus at the slightest opportunity. After all it, it means they will sell more.

 

At last we have a bit of sense. 

 

The media has one agenda - money/mindshare/audience share. The notion that there's a media-wide agenda against a particular club is absolutely f**king ridiculous.

Blue Daze, I don't think think the whole media is out to get Chelsea.

 

But some media it's evident they hate clubs like us and City and that has been shown in the past, big money clubs also with the new boring football thing we get slated with.

 

The campaign? That's a card Jose is playing nothing more, I doubt he genuinely believes that, it's something he has to say with some of the outrageous refereeing there has been this season. Why not put pressure on them, the F.A. are sh*t and will continue to be sh*t, do what you must I say.

 

I guess it's a top club thing, the Match of the day diving analysis really pissed me off, especially when it was targeted at us, plenty of times that has happened in the past with just a particular team and a lot of diving has happened this season. Also it's evident what MOTD did had an effect, it was the reason why we were denied a clear penalty at Southampton.

 

I did agree with you originally Davey Baby but I'm not so sure now, perhaps an agenda in a certain way but I don't think everyone is out to completely get us despite how much they love to make Mourinho look like a total c**t.

You've obviously never met a single person who works in that homogenous whole that you call 'the media'.

 

Obviously not.

 

I think you're beginning to get a bit highly strung and it might be best to end our debate.

 

Suffice to say I'm with Jose on this one.

 

There's a clear agenda against us, IMO.

Obviously not.

I think you're beginning to get a bit highly strung and it might be best to end our debate.

Suffice to say I'm with Jose on this one.

There's a clear agenda against us, IMO.

Whos behind the agenda?

Obviously not.

 

I think you're beginning to get a bit highly strung and it might be best to end our debate.

 

Suffice to say I'm with Jose on this one.

 

There's a clear agenda against us, IMO.

 

You don't think Jose is actually saying that for a reason?

 

You can't believe everything he genuinely says however he does say things for a reason and I don't think that's it. Jose has made it pretty obvious he has took Alex Fergusons place since arriving to the PL, he has done nothing but complain about every decision that has gone against us, he never used to do that, not all the time. He is doing it now for a reason, it is effective, evidently lately not so much, but he will keep putting pressure on the referees I know that very much. The F.A. wont be able to stop him either no matter how much they fine him.

 

Good on him I say.

You don't think Jose is actually saying that for a reason?

 

You can't believe everything he genuinely says however he does say things for a reason and I don't think that's it. Jose has made it pretty obvious he has took Alex Fergusons place since arriving to the PL, he has done nothing but complain about every decision that has gone against us, he never used to do that, not all the time. He is doing it now for a reason, it is effective, evidently lately not so much, but he will keep putting pressure on the referees I know that very much. The F.A. wont be able to stop him either no matter how much they fine him.

 

Good on him I say.

 

We've had a terrible deal from refs this season, and for my money, the refs are being influenced by the media, Jose's right.

 

As a ref you know if you give a poor decision in our favour you will get loads of flak, whereas if you give a poor decision in our opponents' favour, you will be largely let off the hook.

 

Don't see how anyone can say otherwise.

 

I'm convinced, had the roles been reversed last night, the story would have all been about Oliver's refereeing.

 

Edit: If that makes me a conspiracist, so be it.

Edited January 28, 201511 yr by Davey Baby

We've had a terrible deal from refs this season, and for my money, the refs are being influenced by the media, Jose's right.

 

As a ref you know if you give a poor decision in our favour you will get loads of flak, whereas if you give a poor decision in our opponents' favour, you will be largely let off the hook.

 

Edit: Don't see how anyone can say otherwise.

 

That I agree with, the referees were influenced with match of the days stupid analysis on our diving. Something that happens very regularly in the league and it ended up costing us. Diego Costa situation? Was it because of Chelsea? I'm not sure I think he would get that at any club now that I think of it and do you know why? Because of his reputation.

 

The Medias aim is to make money, that's why Costa is targeted, players like that are portrayed as the villains and it sells, they will be loving this. As for pundits like Jamie Redknapp, he is nothing but an idiot and I believe he does have an agenda against Mourinho, he also happens to be a bias twat and that's been known for years. Nothing that really results in a media agenda though, he's just an idiot plain and simple.

 

I'll admit we have been unfairly done by the papers plenty of times this season, but I think there are some simple explanations to it rather than just a conspiracy. It's a top club thing I guess, we have been first in the league for months, they want us to get knocked off the perch, they would be exactly the same with City.

That I agree with, the referees were influenced with match of the days stupid analysis on our diving. Something that happens very regularly in the league and it ended up costing us. Diego Costa situation? Was it because of Chelsea? I'm not sure I think he would get that at any club now that I think of it and do you know why? Because of his reputation.

 

The Medias aim is to make money, that's why Costa is targeted, players like that are portrayed as the villains and it sells, they will be loving this. As for pundits like Jamie Redknapp, he is nothing but an idiot and I believe he does have an agenda against Mourinho, he also happens to be a bias twat and that's been known for years. Nothing that really results in a media agenda though, he's just an idiot plain and simple.

 

I'll admit we have been unfairly done by the papers plenty of times this season, but I think there are some simple explanations to it rather than just a conspiracy. It's a top club thing I guess, we have been first in the league for months, they want us to get knocked off the perch, they would be exactly the same with City.

 

He's a Liverpool man, and the studio's always full of them.

 

I guarantee you Gerrard treads on one of our players and it's a whole new narrative.

 

That my friends, is an agenda.

 

Same scenario but different players. Different story.

 

Jose said it last night, "You need to be fair and honest".

 

We don't get fairness and honesty, IMO.

He's a Liverpool man, and the studio's always full of them.

 

I guarantee you Gerrard treads on one of our players and it's a whole new narrative.

 

That my friends, is an agenda.

 

Same scenario but different players. Different story.

 

Jose said it last night, "You need to be fair and honest".

 

We don't get fairness and honesty, IMO.

 

The reason why it would be different is not the team itself, it is because Costa has a much worse reputation than Gerrard.

 

Gerrard is arse licked if you haven't noticed, his World Cup performances were shocking and not a word was said about it, he has always escaped criticism nothing new about that.

 

If Suarez did that he wouldn't have gotten away with it, again because of his reputation.

We've had a terrible deal from refs this season, and for my money, the refs are being influenced by the media, Jose's right.

 

As a ref you know if you give a poor decision in our favour you will get loads of flak, whereas if you give a poor decision in our opponents' favour, you will be largely let off the hook.

 

Don't see how anyone can say otherwise.

 

I'm convinced, had the roles been reversed last night, the story would have all been about Oliver's refereeing.

 

Edit: If that makes me a conspiracist, so be it.

 

They've been given more flak for decisions against us (S'ton away). Wish I saw everything as a conspiracy but that's just too easy.

Personally I just think that there is a lot more liverpool and man United fans in the media.

Take last night as an example. The 2 pundits for the game are redknapp and Henry, one ex liverpool, one ex arsenal. The narrative of the half time analyse is that from Liverpool perspective. Most pundits struggle to hide there biased. Even in the commentary box quinn seemed desperate for gerrard to get a fairy tale ending.

So it becomes a snow ball effect, because sky have covered the match through liverpool tinted glasses, the papers report whatever narrative sky have pushed, and the f.a. act on whatever they are pressured into by the media.

I don't think there is any cloak and dagger type conspiracy, I just think sky or whoever is covering the match, should do better to provide unbiased coverage.

Theres always go on a be a few biased journalists, but I can live with that. When sky are monopolising football, they should be impartial.

If ruud gullit and Paul Scholes had been in the studio instead of redknapp and henry, I honestly don't think there would have been anywhere near as much focus, because at half time gullit would have been highlighting our injustices, and Scholes would have shown liverpool no sympathy.

Which is the exact opposite of how it was covered.

Edited January 28, 201511 yr by big blue

If we go on penalty incidents alone this season, let's look at wrong decisions, whether they be in our box or our opponents'.

There have been loads of wrong decisions, it's unprecedented I think.

Now how many wrong decisions (like last night's) have gone against us, i.e. we've been the victims of an injustice rather than the beneficiaries.

What do you think is the ratio, and what's your explanation for it?

I say refs are being influenced by the media, but those that think Jose has got it all wrong and is only saying it for effect, give us your explanation.

the way i see it costa is a ruthless striker and he likes to needle the opposition. he would rather follow thru and step on some **** than take evasive action. i was standing behind the goal when skrtle slid into his path and all costa did was just carried on with his run and his foot landed on skrtle. maybe costa could of jumped out of the way but see the 1st sentence! because of his ruthless mean nature some journos like to rage but screw them! as for an agenda deja vu! i seen this sort of crap with fergy, wenger, graham and JM, nothing more than to create a siege mentality to ensure the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow! 

Edited January 28, 201511 yr by bluedrake55