Stones was rated as one of the best defenders in the league by some people at the start of this season does that mean he actually is?

Using your logic then I can claim that Tomori is one of the best defenders in the BPL as I think he is better than Stones.

Djilobodji is underrated but to make comments like the one above really doesn't help the situation  

 

I'm not the one rating Koulibaly as one of the best in Italy. I don't watch Italian football so I don't know.

I'm commenting from a purely Senegalese defenders based perspective - Djilobodji in my eyes was always better. Meanwhile Koulibaly has made the headlines and turned heads. I won't changed an informed opinion, because one player made it, the other didn't.

 

http://www.espnfc.com/napoli/story/2803797/napoli-defender-kalidou-koulibaly-has-plenty-of-suitors

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2635761-diego-maradona-makes-kalidou-koulibaly-racism-claim-talks-antonio-conte-more

http://www.gazzettaworld.com/news/serie-a/napoli/koulibaly-transformation/

http://www.psg.fr/en/News/101001/Breaking-News/75466/Deux-Parisiens-parmi-les-meilleurs-defenseurs

Please, make it stop :(

Ha ha links to Maradona and his agent. Come on man, that's just embarrassing.

Edited May 18, 201610 yr by dkw

Djilobodji is criminally underrated as a defender. He's good enough to be the lynchpin of our defence. It was a great buy by Eneramo, but a even greater waste by Mourinho.

 

If he did suddenly become a great defender on loan then that would be a good move by Jose not a waste.

 

But I'm forgetting where I am I guess

I was having sort of a go, but...

Koulibaly is rated by Italian press as one of the best in Italy. Meanwhile I rate Djilobodji higher than Koulibaly... What can I do? Ignore the logical implications?

 

Djilobodji is criminally underrated as a defender. He's good enough to be the lynchpin of our defence. It was a great buy by Eneramo, but a even greater waste by Mourinho.

 

To be honest you speak the truth with this last bit. Djilobodji was bought for next to nothing after a good few years in France, but Mourinho launched his toys out of his pram because he didn't get the £45m defender he wanted. Instead of giving him a go he excluded him. Terry and Cahill were both playing poorly and Zouma is still young so there was 0 downfall in playing Papy. There seems to be a stigma within Chelsea that if a player doesn't cost us £30m then he shouldn't be playing for us.

Please, make it stop :(

Ha ha links to Maradona and his agent. Come on man, that's just embarrassing.

 

I also linked CIES who named him as one of the top ten defenders in Europe.

 

Lets not debate the obvious. He is one of the most highly rated defenders in Italy. This isn't really a debate.

Edited May 18, 201610 yr by Jon Stakes

Do you want me to waste your time and mine googling similar links to show others as the best defenders in Italy? To claim Djilobodji is better than all the defenders in Italy is absurd and worthy of derision.

I also linked CIES who named him as one of the top ten defenders in Europe.

Lets not debate the obvious. He is one of the most highly rated defenders in Italy. This isn't really a debate.

Djilobodji is that you?

There seems to be a stigma within Chelsea that if a player doesn't cost us £30m then he shouldn't be playing for us.

 

Cahill, Zouma, Azpilicueta, Ivanovic

 

But you easily swept Zouma under the rug in order to make your point seem more relevant. 

Jon Stakes is clearly Papy's agent.

Cahill, Zouma, Azpilicueta, Ivanovic

 

But you easily swept Zouma under the rug in order to make your point seem more relevant. 

 

Hi Stim, 

 

Zouma cost us £13m when he was 18, quite a lot of money for someone of that age. I was going to mention Azpi actually. I remember seeing many fans on twitter say we shouldn't waste money on Azpi and should have signed someone younger and more proven. It was only when he got a run in the team and became a kinf of cult hero that people started praising him. Who's to say Djilibodji wouldn't have done the same? 

 

Ivanovic in his first season rarely played. Cahill was signed for £7m with less than a year left on his contract and wanted by a host of premier league teams like Utd.

Jon Stakes is clearly Papy's agent.

Or Papy himself

Do you want me to waste your time and mine googling similar links to show others as the best defenders in Italy? To claim Djilobodji is better than all the defenders in Italy is absurd and worthy of derision.

 

I never said he is the best defender in Italy. I said he is rated as one of the best and that really isn't debatable.

 

Rating Djilobodji over Koulibaly is my subjective opinion based on viewing them play multiple times. Dislike the opinion but I stick by it.

 

That's all.

Edited May 18, 201610 yr by Jon Stakes

Rated by who?

Rated by who?

 

For example:

CIES.

 

Goal.com:

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/7182/galleries/2016/05/11/23365672/higuain-dybala-the-serie-a-team-of-the-season

 

Sky Italia

 

He's on most Italian Defender of the Year polls and such. If you want more just look it up. Its pretty obvious. Its not like we're debating Djilobodji. You've basically asked me to prove that white is white.

I've got to look into this a bit more and do a little more research but from what I've read in this thread, I think that it's possible that I could be in the list of the top 20 defenders in Europe!

I was having sort of a go, but...

Koulibaly is rated by Italian press as one of the best in Italy. Meanwhile I rate Djilobodji higher than Koulibaly... What can I do? Ignore the logical implications?

 

Djilobodji is criminally underrated as a defender. He's good enough to be the lynchpin of our defence. It was a great buy by Eneramo, but a even greater waste by Mourinho.

 

No. Ignore your personal bias.

Wow Papy is really trying to get us to believe him isn't he?

I can't massively comment on what he's like, but most people are laughing at Papy possibly playing for us because he didn't cost a load of money, obviously Jon Stakes is exaggerating a bit about how good he is (like he does with all African players) but with the vulnerability and general sh*tness of our defending this season there's no reason why he shouldn't have been given a chance.

I don't think it is the money thing, it's more of a who the hell was he when we signed him?

I'm sure we'd all love to be wrong about him.

but most people are laughing at Papy possibly playing for us because he didn't cost a load of money,

I'm not, and I don't think anyone else is either.

Edited May 18, 201610 yr by dkw

I don't think it is the money thing, it's more of a who the hell was he when we signed him?

I'm sure we'd all love to be wrong about him.

Money is partially involve.

Consider this, if Baba came here for free and we got Papy who is a better defender for just 20m pounds, who do you think would have had more playing time this season out of the 2?

Baba, because we had enough CB's

Money is partially involve.

Consider this, if Baba came here for free and we got Papy who is a better defender for just 20m pounds, who do you think would have had more playing time this season out of the 2?

Well considering we had Zouma, Terry, Cahill and Ivan to play at CB and only one left back (who is actually a right back) it’s pretty obvious the answer would be Baba wouldn’t it.

Thanks for the correct answer guys beat me to it

I can't massively comment on what he's like, but most people are laughing at Papy possibly playing for us because he didn't cost a load of money, obviously Jon Stakes is exaggerating a bit about how good he is (like he does with all African players) but with the vulnerability and general sh*tness of our defending this season there's no reason why he shouldn't have been given a chance.

 

A bit?