1 hour ago, LengmanJedi said:

The only reason I can't see us paying the £45-70 mill to get him is due to his age

He's getting older, but similarly to Ronaldo, he keeps himself in ridiculous shape, and if he helped us to a premier league title or two and a champions league final I'd consider it money well spent, and I'm sure the board would too. I'm hoping we are at least trying to get him, though his wage demands seem insane, which of the fat f**ks is his agent, Ravioli or Mendes, or another one?

He's getting older, but similarly to Ronaldo, he keeps himself in ridiculous shape, and if he helped us to a premier league title or two and a champions league final I'd consider it money well spent, and I'm sure the board would too. I'm hoping we are at least trying to get him, though his wage demands seem insane, which of the fat f**ks is his agent, Ravioli or Mendes, or another one?

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6 hours ago, LengmanJedi said:

The only reason I can't see us paying the £45-70 mill to get him is due to his age

Quite a narrow price bracket, if we say 0-100 million would be safer 

4 hours ago, RMCM said:

He's getting older, but similarly to Ronaldo, he keeps himself in ridiculous shape, and if he helped us to a premier league title or two and a champions league final I'd consider it money well spent, and I'm sure the board would too. I'm hoping we are at least trying to get him, though his wage demands seem insane, which of the fat f**ks is his agent, Ravioli or Mendes, or another one?

This is some pretty terrible logic. We've won 2 out of the last 3 league titles and currently probably have a better squad than either of those title winning ones.

The actual increase in likelihood of us winning the league will not actually increase by much by signing Sanchez, certainly not by a margin worth blowing an extra £30-40m over his worth.

This is like United fans thinking they wouldl make the Pogba money back by selling Pogba shirts, ignoring the facts that United actually only get about 10% of shirt sales revenue and also that there aren't hundreds of thousands of new fans magically appearing to buy Pogba shirts. Almost all would have been buying a shirt anyway and probably with a different name on if that's what they're into.

Just now, startedwithglenn said:

This is some pretty terrible logic. We've won 2 out of the last 3 league titles and currently probably have a better squad than either of those title winning ones.

The actual increase in likelihood of us winning the league will not actually increase by much by signing Sanchez, certainly not by a margin worth blowing an extra £30-40m over his worth.

This is like United fans thinking they wouldl make the Pogba money back by selling Pogba shirts, ignoring the facts that United actually only get about 10% of shirt sales revenue and also that there aren't hundreds of thousands of new fans magically appearing to buy Pogba shirts. Almost all would have been buying a shirt anyway and probably with a different name on if that's what they're into.

More like 2-3% of shirts sales...

2 minutes ago, doctorblue said:

More like 2-3% of shirts sales...

I actually think most are nearer 5% but i went with 10 for ease of argument and so I wouldn't get someone coming back at me saying 2% higher thinking it changed what I had written.

Surprised there hasn't been much developments on the Sanchez saga by now, it's nearly August.

Its looking like he will be staying at Arsenal.

7 hours ago, RMCM said:

He's getting older, but similarly to Ronaldo, he keeps himself in ridiculous shape, and if he helped us to a premier league title or two and a champions league final I'd consider it money well spent, and I'm sure the board would too. I'm hoping we are at least trying to get him, though his wage demands seem insane, which of the fat f**ks is his agent, Ravioli or Mendes, or another one?

He wants to win trophies, that alone should force him to compromise. We can't give him what he wants. When it comes to fitness and speed, I think he still have 2 to 3 years.

58 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

Surprised there hasn't been much developments on the Sanchez saga by now, it's nearly August.

Its looking like he will be staying at Arsenal.

Poor Sanchez. He won't get anything with them.

15 hours ago, startedwithglenn said:

This is some pretty terrible logic. We've won 2 out of the last 3 league titles and currently probably have a better squad than either of those title winning ones.

The actual increase in likelihood of us winning the league will not actually increase by much by signing Sanchez, certainly not by a margin worth blowing an extra £30-40m over his worth.

This is like United fans thinking they wouldl make the Pogba money back by selling Pogba shirts, ignoring the facts that United actually only get about 10% of shirt sales revenue and also that there aren't hundreds of thousands of new fans magically appearing to buy Pogba shirts. Almost all would have been buying a shirt anyway and probably with a different name on if that's what they're into.

Wanting to improve what we currently have is terrible logic? Alright chief. He's the third best attacking player in this league behind Hazard and Aguero, I wouldn't consider Sanchez 20ish league goals per season to be a bad deal for £50-60 million. 

I'd buy him everyday of the week. But then he will have to play as a RF (instead of Pedro), which makes Pedro/Willian unneeded. Unless we play in a 3-5-2 and he plays along with Morata, but then what happens to Michy ?

He is perfect for Pedro/Willy position, cause both of them are not good enough for starting 11.

In 3-5-2 there is no slot for Hazard as well. Not good enough for second striker, can`t play as WB.

 

20 minutes ago, brakeit said:

He is perfect for Pedro/Willy position, cause both of them are not good enough for starting 11.

In 3-5-2 there is no slot for Hazard as well. Not good enough for second striker, can`t play as WB.

 

I believe the 3-5-2 with Hazard-Morata as front two would be excellent, due to their different physique and possibly strong technicl compatibility it could work out perfectly. It gives you so many options, one of the two might move to the wing while the other stays in the middle, one might fall deeper while the other stays up front, and both have the technical abilities to do both. I feel like this would add such great offensive flexibility and unpredictability, especilally with Fabregas in behind, which the rather fixed 3-4-3 was maybe lacking in some games. What it does require though, is very strong wing backs (as they are even more vital than in the 3-4-3) and sufficient MF back-up for three positions. So, for the 3-5-2 to be effective, we'd probably have to do a bit more transfer business.
But when talking about the 3-4-3, Sanchez might indeed be a bit of an update on Pedro, but the latter was also very strong last season, and I believe there are bigger concerns in the starting 11 than him on RW.

20 hours ago, Devil Dog said:

"The Daily Express is a sh*t newspaper and their journos are unimaginative morons who've got their journalistic licenses from Christmas crackers"

There you go DE...print that!   

That's really defamatory

 

.... to Christmas Crackers.

 

You should have ended it, 'morons who've got their journalistic licenses from Christmas Crackers bought at Poundland'

I think what's best for us isn't if he stays at Arsenal and becomes frustrated, by January he may reduce his diva size wage demands when he realises ok I'm getting on a bit and not winning anything and my exadurated demands are putting clubs off. At that point due to a buy of desperation we may get him then again this scenario will bring in a host of clubs that want him.

If you really want your man exadurated fees are in your favour if you're rich enough, that's why city get their man they are happy to overpay when we are not. 

5 hours ago, RMCM said:

Wanting to improve what we currently have is terrible logic? Alright chief. He's the third best attacking player in this league behind Hazard and Aguero, I wouldn't consider Sanchez 20ish league goals per season to be a bad deal for £50-60 million. 

It's the "if he won a league or two with us he'd be worth it" that's terrible logic. We're almost as likely to win another league without him as we would be with him.

A player has a value, a player with less than a year on his contract has a much more defineable market value. If his market value is £40m and we buy him for £60m, he doesn't magically become better value if he happens to be one of 15/16 integral players in a title winning side.

3 minutes ago, startedwithglenn said:

It's the "if he won a league or two with us he'd be worth it" that's terrible logic. We're almost as likely to win another league without him as we would be with him.

A player has a value, a player with less than a year on his contract has a much more defineable market value. If his market value is £40m and we buy him for £60m, he doesn't magically become better value if he happens to be one of 15/16 integral players in a title winning side.

That's some illogical deduction right there. 'Almost as likely' - how do you quantify that? Adding a player who regularly scores 20 odd goals per season in place of a player who scores <10 (Pedro/Willian), regardless of the cost paid, increases our chances of winning the league. I don't know how you could argue otherwise

It's not a magical increase in value, but retrospectively, it would be money well spent, regardless of whether it's 30 million or 60 million. We make enough money from selling players to be able to afford to overpay (i don't think we would be overpaying) for a player that would almost guarantee to add more goals, and help us win more games.

5 minutes ago, RMCM said:

That's some illogical deduction right there. 'Almost as likely' - how do you quantify that? Adding a player who regularly scores 20 odd goals per season in place of a player who scores <10 (Pedro/Willian), regardless of the cost paid, increases our chances of winning the league. I don't know how you could argue otherwise

It's not a magical increase in value, but retrospectively, it would be money well spent, regardless of whether it's 30 million or 60 million. We make enough money from selling players to be able to afford to overpay (i don't think we would be overpaying) for a player that would almost guarantee to add more goals, and help us win more games.

We're about a 29% chance to win the league this season. Signing him for £60m might make us a 35% chance. Is that increase worth £60m? No it simply isn't. You might consider it because you're just looking from a fan's pov but the reason we're not being seriously linked with bids for Sanchez is that our board are looking at numbers and they don't add up.

The first sentence of the second part of your post shows clearly you are thinking solely of "i'm a Chelsea fan and want us to win stuff so any means will do". 

I'm notarguing he wouldn't be a very good addition to the squad and the team itself, simply saying he's not worth the outlay.

9 minutes ago, startedwithglenn said:

We're about a 29% chance to win the league this season. Signing him for £60m might make us a 35% chance. Is that increase worth £60m? No it simply isn't. You might consider it because you're just looking from a fan's pov but the reason we're not being seriously linked with bids for Sanchez is that our board are looking at numbers and they don't add up.

The first sentence of the second part of your post shows clearly you are thinking solely of "i'm a Chelsea fan and want us to win stuff so any means will do". 

I'm notarguing he wouldn't be a very good addition to the squad and the team itself, simply saying he's not worth the outlay.

May I ask, where did you get those percentages from? Nothing to do with Sanchez, I'm just curious.

2 minutes ago, abramovich said:

May I ask, where did you get those percentages from? Nothing to do with Sanchez, I'm just curious.

Just took a rough estimation from a few of the more stable betting lines to get the 29%. The 35% was me being slightly generous on what i'd expect the odds to shift to if we signed Sanchez and all else stayed the same.

19 minutes ago, startedwithglenn said:

Just took a rough estimation from a few of the more stable betting lines to get the 29%. The 35% was me being slightly generous on what i'd expect the odds to shift to if we signed Sanchez and all else stayed the same.

I'm rather devastated that you rate our title winning chances at only 29% :/

Star man with Arsenal. He is better staying with them because of that. He will be nowhere near a fans fave if he joins us. I am not saying he is a bad player or anything. He is good. Barca knew what they were doing. Really i only want him to knock Arsenal down even more. After that if they get knocked down anymore i think i will start feeling sorry for them.

He'd be a huge fans favourite here or anywhere else.....

7 hours ago, Luiz4Chelsea said:

I'm rather devastated that you rate our title winning chances at only 29% :/

If it makes you feel better you can look at it like we're only a little less than half as likely as Juve are to win Serie A