16 minutes ago, pacquiao said:

In the last 3 seasons 

Morata has scored 47 goals in 6,551 minutes 

Belotti has scored 46 goals 7,427 minutes

Morata was playing for Real Madrid & Juventus, both champions. Belotti at Torino, mid-table.

5 minutes ago, Batshuayi said:

Morata was playing for Real Madrid & Juventus, both champions. Belotti at Torino, mid-table.

Yes Belotti gets a lot of space playing for Torino, Morata has to deal with teams having everyone behind the ball 

Edited July 7, 20179 yr by pacquiao

Just now, pacquiao said:

Yes Belotti gets a lot of space playing for Torino, Morata has to deal with team ls having everyone behind the ball 

With all due respect, it's unlikely you've seen every Torino game and are in a good position to analyse their playing style. If this isn't the case then that's commendable and I apologise. Therefore you can only base the records on the strength of the sides they're playing for. As 9 times out of 10 an average striker would fare better with better players around him. Not saying Morata is average, quite the opposite but that's just my opinion on this.

1 hour ago, doctorblue said:

Sorry but he's not proven to spank 100 euros on...Morata is our best bet...proven in two leagues and more suitable to our style of play...

No he is not. He is as proven in those leagues as Chicharito was at Man UTD. Playing a 2nd fiddle at a tier A club like RM, Barca, Bayern Juve is completely to leading the line of a TIER B club like Chelsea. The pressure that would come with it, along with the expectation to score when 0-0 rather than winning 4-0 against Betis/Osasuna is an altogether completely different story.

Morata has a lot to prove. His price tag of 80/90mil pounds is laughable to say the least given that he is basically unwanted for a player like Benzema. 

1 minute ago, didierforever said:

No he is not. He is as proven in those leagues as Chicharito was at Man UTD. Playing a 2nd fiddle at a tier A club like RM, Barca, Bayern Juve is completely to leading the line of a TIER B club like Chelsea. The pressure that would come with it, along with the expectation to score when 0-0 rather than winning 4-0 against Betis/Osasuna is an altogether completely different story.

Morata has a lot to prove. His price tag of 80/90mil pounds is laughable to say the least given that he is basically unwanted for a player like Benzema. 

You may be right but £80-90m is no where near the price manure was quoted...

12 minutes ago, Batshuayi said:

With all due respect, it's unlikely you've seen every Torino game and are in a good position to analyse their playing style. If this isn't the case then that's commendable and I apologise. Therefore you can only base the records on the strength of the sides they're playing for. As 9 times out of 10 an average striker would fare better with better players around him. Not saying Morata is average, quite the opposite but that's just my opinion on this.

I watched Torino quite often last season for the specific reason that their games are very entertaining because they are so open. 

10 minutes ago, pacquiao said:

In the last 3 seasons 

Morata has scored 47 goals in 6,551 minutes 

Belotti has scored 46 goals 7,427 minutes

This again.

His minutes to goals ratio look good, but so what ? If you compare Morata's minutes to goals ratio at Juve to Iheanacho's minutes to goals ratio Man City, you will find that Iheanacho has better stats in that area. Does that mean we should be spending insane money on Iheanacho too ? No, of course not.

If you look at the details then you will see why those stats look better than they really are. If Morata was putting in those stats playing from the start of games and in the big games, then i would be impressed. You can throw any semi-decent striker into that Real Madrid team and they will score for fun against Leganes, Granada and Sporting Gijon (by the way, these are the types of teams Morata got most of his goals against, and they are in the bottom 4 of La Liga, and everybody knows that the bottom of La Liga has some really average teams in it)

I bet Morata's minutes to goals ratio wouldn't look so great if he was starting in the top games instead of only being trusted to start against bottom of the table teams.

Neither Juventus or Real Madrid have trusted him to be a regular starter, why is that ? The competition hasn't exactly been anything special. Benzema has probably had his worst season yet for Real Madrid and at Juve he was up against Llorente in his first season, who only scored 8 goals that season ( and still Morata was behind him ) and then the next season, he was behind Mandzukic, another striker who is nothing special, he's good, but not something a £60 million striker should be struggling against.

Out of all of the so called top strikers we are apparently interested in, Morata is the one that has the most to prove and would be the biggest risk. 

5 minutes ago, doctorblue said:

You may be right but £80-90m is no where near the price manure was quoted...

http://www.espn.in/football/soccer-transfers/story/3153857/manchester-united-agree-75m-fee-with-everton-for-romelu-lukaku-and-end-talks-over-alvaro-morata-sources

Also, "apparently" United had offered 75mil pounds to RM which they rejected after which they bid for Lukaku. 

Dont know whats true or not, but unless Morata does a Costa, Cant see him going for less than close to a top 10-15 world record fee.

Edited July 7, 20179 yr by didierforever

6 minutes ago, didierforever said:

No he is not. He is as proven in those leagues as Chicharito was at Man UTD. Playing a 2nd fiddle at a tier A club like RM, Barca, Bayern Juve is completely to leading the line of a TIER B club like Chelsea. The pressure that would come with it, along with the expectation to score when 0-0 rather than winning 4-0 against Betis/Osasuna is an altogether completely different story.

Morata has a lot to prove. His price tag of 80/90mil pounds is laughable to say the least given that he is basically unwanted for a player like Benzema. 

Half of the games Morata scored in last season, were either the opening goal, an equaliser or winning goal.

16 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

This again.

His minutes to goals ratio look good, but so what ? If you compare Morata's minutes to goals ratio at Juve to Iheanacho's minutes to goals ratio Man City, you will find that Iheanacho has better stats in that area. Does that mean we should be spending insane money on Iheanacho too ? No, of course not.

If you look at the details then you will see why those stats look better than they really are. If Morata was putting in those stats playing from the start of games and in the big games, then i would be impressed. You can throw any semi-decent striker into that Real Madrid team and they will score for fun against Leganes, Granada and Sporting Gijon (by the way, these are the types of teams Morata got most of his goals against, and they are in the bottom 4 of La Liga, and everybody knows that the bottom of La Liga has some really average teams in it)

I bet Morata's minutes to goals ratio wouldn't look so great if he was starting in the top games instead of only being trusted to start against bottom of the table teams.

Neither Juventus or Real Madrid have trusted him to be a regular starter, why is that ? The competition hasn't exactly been anything special. Benzema has probably had his worst season yet for Real Madrid and at Juve he was up against Llorente in his first season, who only scored 8 goals that season ( and still Morata was behind him ) and then the next season, he was behind Mandzukic, another striker who is nothing special, he's good, but not something a £60 million striker should be struggling against.

Out of all of the so called top strikers we are apparently interested in, Morata is the one that has the most to prove and would be the biggest risk. 

This again. 

The Benzema argument is ridiculous, Morata outscored Benzema playing less games, Benzema plays ahead of him because he is happy to be Ronaldo's sideman, Morata isn't.

and no Morata wasn't up against Llorente, Morata was up against Tevez, Juventus played with a big target Man striker and a more mobile hard working striker, so Morata was competing with Tevez not Llorente. And then the following season he was competing with Dybala not Mandzukic

Morata is the safest bet out of the strikers we have been linked with, he has proved himself in the CL, he has proved he can score important goals and proved himself playing at big clubs against teams who park the bus. You couldn't be more wrong. 

Edited July 7, 20179 yr by pacquiao

Yeah Morata is definitely NOT a safe bet mate. Far from it. He has a lot to prove, no matter how much you try to skew the stats.

4 hours ago, brakeit said:

Sorry but Immobile has the same profile and scored almost the same goals. He then goes to Germany and Spain and failed completely. He goes back in Italy and score 26 goals, just 2 less then Belotti. That`s told you enough how bad the Serie A is.

Wasn't Soldado more prolific than Costa in Spain? Some players suit moving league's others don't, from what i have seen of Bellotti he is every bit as tailor made for the EPL as Costa 2014 was.

So the argument is Morata is not a flat track bully but he scores against lower table teams, Can he prove it in the biggest games? But he scores against Barcelona, Bayern and Real?

The way people speak about him is like that of a 26-27yr old player. The guy was 20-22 in Juve and 22-23 in Real, excuse him for not leading the line of the biggest clubs in the world. 

He has a lot to prove, yes but so is a majority of 23yr old strikers playing at the biggest clubs. 

I'm more excited by belotti than Morata. That doesn't necessarily mean that Belotti is a better buy though. Hopefully we get at least one of them. 

It's time we trusted Conte's judgement...what's the point of making him one of the EPL's highest paid managers and not support his choice of players?

If he wants Belotti than we should at least try to get him...

7 minutes ago, doctorblue said:

It's time we trusted Conte's judgement...what's the point of making him one of the EPL's highest paid managers and not support his choice of players?

If he wants Belotti than we should at least try to get him...

I think we do trust him it's the board we struggle with

12 minutes ago, Warner11 said:

I think we do trust him it's the board we struggle with

The statement was aimed at the board...

1 minute ago, doctorblue said:

The statement was aimed at the board...

Quick to sack mangers, not quick to sack the ppl that don't get what mangers ask for

This must be hugely embarrassing for Emanuldo...Lookack was clearly his choice and he must have advised the board that they could take a conservative approach to the negotiations as he was onboard with the deal...if there is any positive outcomes from this debacle is that Emanuldo's influence must have been lessened...and maybe Conte can claim the ear of Roman...

Edited July 8, 20179 yr by doctorblue

I genuinly cant tell if you are serious

Just had a look a Belotti in some games and he seems very good at linking up with the midfield and also seems good in the air and able to dribble well...

Just now, doctorblue said:

Just had a look a Belotti in some games and he seems very good at linking up with the midfield and also seems good in the air and able to dribble well...

I worry about him only having one great season under his belt. But then again, so does Mbappe and everyone's creaming their pants over him.

Difficult decision...do you blow your dough on a striker with promise with the expectation that he will get better and his value increase or do you wait for the price bubble to burst and wade in then? Personally I'd jump in as we clearly need a prolific striker to compete and the opposition are arming themselves ready for the battle...

Edited July 8, 20179 yr by doctorblue

Possible Belotti replacement? 

 

Chuck Michy into the mix, don't think Conte rates him anyway...