8 minutes ago, Stretford Ender said:

Inaccurate. Matchday revenue amount to £111 per season, not per match. The club breaks it down between sponsorship money, broadcasting money, and matchday revenues over a season. https://ir.manutd.com/company-information/business-model.aspx

Thanks for the information.

2 minutes ago, Boyne said:

Thanks for the information.

You're welcome. You're welcome to the Glazers too if you want them.

On 28/04/2020 at 16:57, The Rising Sun said:

The Guardian had an article the other day warning clubs not to make a decision on restarting the season because of pressure from sponsors.

This is an opportunity now for our clubs to take back control of our game from sponsors. If it means less money for clubs and ultimately players, then so be it. 

Don't think it's gonna happen, and if we try to restart this season it would be a shameful decision based on greed.

 

1 hour ago, Stretford Ender said:

Owners that have monetized every aspect of their club (Glazers) will be more inclined to listen to their myriad sponsors than others I suppose. Ours is worth something in the region of £600 million (including broadcast and match day income) but the debt is roughly £500 million. The FT reported that our value dropped by 22% with some reported gains thereafter. Adidas will cut back if we don't get a CL and Chevrolet are gone in 2022. Share prices could plummet leaving the club open to another takeover, or maybe the debt will be significantly increased to keep the club operating at where we are. I don't know and people far cleverer than I about financial matters and sport have floated this as a possibility. I'd like to think we supporters could come out of this with a degree of control, but I have my doubts.

 

 

 

As you both say, it would be great if supporters could take some form of control but sadly, can't see it. Fans whether they go to the games or watch the matches on TV are just seen as another statistic. I think that if match going fans were to tally up how much we've spent on going to games over the years the figures would be frightening. On top of that, si time spent going to matches. Added to that is the money spent by fans to subscribe to watch games.

@The Rising SunAs you say, it will be a shameful decision to restart the season and it will be down to greed. As mentioned by others before, clubs will,sadly, either go out of business or lose a lot of money. For football to start rebuilding finances, transfer fees may have to go down as will players wages. It could be like the housing market when in times of financial difficulty, the price of houses go down i.e. it becomes a buyers' market. Clubs could recoup money by putting up ticket prices but that would not go down well with fans.

 

8 minutes ago, Stretford Ender said:

You're welcome. You're welcome to the Glazers too if you want them.

I'll pass if that's okay. Disgraceful the way that they've handled your club.

I've looked at the history of the way some clubs have been run over the last century or so and sadly poor ownership is not a new thing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52478598

Playing all remaining Premier League and EFL fixtures at their original venues would "present challenges" to the emergency services, says the national lead for football policing.

Deputy chief constable Mark Roberts says "options" need to be looked at.

The Premier League has told its clubs only "approved venues" will be used, raising the possibility of matches being played at neutral grounds.

Further details will be provided to clubs at a meeting on Friday.

There are 92 fixtures in the current campaign left to be played in the Premier League, and 341 remaining across the Championship and Leagues One and Two.

"Playing all those fixtures [in the original venues] would present challenges," said Roberts. "That's an awful lot of people moving around the country.

"I think we all need to look at options about what games absolutely need to be played.

"Let's look at how they can be managed, potentially at their own stadiums, but equally whether we can see benefits of playing at a neutral, controlled venue, both from the health aspects of it but also minimising any disruption to the police, the ambulance service and all those other functions that are going to be stretched as we go back to normality.

"There's common sense and I think any group of football fans can probably highlight now the fixtures that are probably likely to generate attention.

"One of the things that the Premier League and the Football League are acutely aware of is that clubs would have to get the message out that if matches are taking place they need the continued buy-in of supporters and the public.

"There might be a fair deal that if people start gathering and causing public health or public order issues then that might mean that games can't actually go on."

Earlier in April, culture secretary Oliver Dowden said the Premier League was considering making some behind-closed-doors fixtures available free-to-air when the season restarts.

Plans to resume the Premier League season stepped up this week in what has been labelled 'Project Restart', with Arsenal, Brighton and West Ham opening their training grounds to players for individual work on Monday.

The league is hopeful of a potential 8 June restart and finishing at the end of July to fit in with Uefa's European competition plans. This would require full training to begin by 18 May.

The EFL is also expected this week to further develop its contingency plans before the potential resumption.

2 minutes ago, Boyne said:

I'll pass if that's okay. Disgraceful the way that they've handled your club.

I've looked at the history of the way some clubs have been run over the last century or so and sadly poor ownership is not a new thing.

We brought some of it on ourselves. Rock of Gibraltar, Martin Edwards and his creative accounting team, etc. His old man was a bit dodgy too.

1 minute ago, Stretford Ender said:

We brought some of it on ourselves. Rock of Gibraltar, Martin Edwards and his creative accounting team, etc. His old man was a bit dodgy too.

Ah, yes the Edwards. Wasn't their a guy who was going to take over Man U and it all fell through? I can't remember his name and why the deal fell through but I remember seeing pictures of him going on to the pitch and waving a scarf.

2 minutes ago, Boyne said:

Ah, yes the Edwards. Wasn't their a guy who was going to take over Man U and it all fell through? I can't remember his name and why the deal fell through but I remember seeing pictures of him going on to the pitch and waving a scarf.

 Michael Knighton wanted to buy out Martin Edwards for about £20 million. It fell through and he went off and bought another club (Carlisle I think).  Then there was Murdoch's attempt to buy us under Sky. That prompted Peter Mandelson himself to step in and put the kibosh on it. Now the talk is about the Saudis coming in. There was rumour years ago, that Roman was eyeing us up before he rocked up at your place.

15 hours ago, Stretford Ender said:

 Michael Knighton wanted to buy out Martin Edwards for about £20 million. It fell through and he went off and bought another club (Carlisle I think).  Then there was Murdoch's attempt to buy us under Sky. That prompted Peter Mandelson himself to step in and put the kibosh on it. Now the talk is about the Saudis coming in. There was rumour years ago, that Roman was eyeing us up before he rocked up at your place.

I think you're right about Knighton ending up at Carlisle. Lucky to avoid Sky. As for the Saudis, that would be interesting especially with the controversy about them taking over Newcastle.

If football does start again and is played behind closed doors and before the country is still under a form of lockdown what would happen if a player or a non-playing member of staff declines to attend due to fear of catching the virus or passing it on to a colleague or a member of their household? Would their refusal to play be seen as a breach of contract or would clubs use common sense? Can you imagine the hissy fits from sponsors and suppliers, broadcasters and some fans (hopefully not with the latter) if a player doesn't turn up.

A player or a non-playing member of staff may be living with someone who is a key worker and has to work. If the player or non-player has to carry out child care duties as the schools are closed they have a great reason for refusing to play.

Some people needed at a game may have to use public transport to travel to the stadium and therefore contravening advice on only using buses etc for essential travel.

Football authorities, please don't start games again until absolutely safe to do so.

1 hour ago, Boyne said:

If football does start again and is played behind closed doors and before the country is still under a form of lockdown what would happen if a player or a non-playing member of staff declines to attend due to fear of catching the virus or passing it on to a colleague or a member of their household? Would their refusal to play be seen as a breach of contract or would clubs use common sense? Can you imagine the hissy fits from sponsors and suppliers, broadcasters and some fans (hopefully not with the latter) if a player doesn't turn up.

A player or a non-playing member of staff may be living with someone who is a key worker and has to work. If the player or non-player has to carry out child care duties as the schools are closed they have a great reason for refusing to play.

Some people needed at a game may have to use public transport to travel to the stadium and therefore contravening advice on only using buses etc for essential travel.

Football authorities, please don't start games again until absolutely safe to do so.

What about standing in a wall can't exactly social distance there and the amount of stick footballers will get for spitting will be off the scale.

9 minutes ago, bluehaze said:

'Cause this fine old world it keeps spinnin' around

The mayor of Liverpool is spot on about fans gathering around Anfield.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52484530

Liverpool mayor Joe Anderson has said resuming the Premier League is a "non-starter", and he fears a "farcical" situation with fans congregating outside Anfield - even if Liverpool clinch the title at a neutral venue.

The Premier League has told its clubs only "approved venues" will be used, raising the possibility of matches being played at neutral grounds.

Liverpool, chasing their first title for 30 years, lead the table by 25 points with nine games remaining, while the league hopes to restart on 8 June.

The league's "Project Restart" envisages the season resuming behind closed doors because of social distancing measures in place to battle the coronavirus pandemic.

• How realistic is Premier League plan to resume season?

The national lead for football policing said on Wednesday that playing all remaining Premier League and EFL fixtures at their original venues would "present challenges" to the emergency services.

Deputy chief constable Mark Roberts said "options" need to be looked at.

Anderson, Liverpool's first directly elected mayor, told BBC Sport: "Even if it was behind closed doors, there'd be many thousands of people who would turn up outside Anfield.

"There's not many people who would respect what we were saying and stay away from the ground, a lot of people would come to celebrate so I think it's a non-starter."

Asked about whether playing at a neutral venue would help, he said: "Even then, I guess that a lot of people would turn up outside Anfield to celebrate and I understand the police's concerns around that, so there's a real difficulty here for us.

"I think it would be really difficult for the police to keep people apart and maintain social distancing if they were going to celebrate outside Anfield, it would be farcical.

"It's difficult for us to try to stop people gathering in parks when the weather has been good, especially young people. And I fear people would just ignore it.

"The police are right to be concerned about that as we are here in the city, and pubic health officials are also concerned about that, so we'd ask the Premier League and government to take into account all of these concerns that we have."

'Liverpool should be champions - but end the season'

Anderson added: "I think the best thing to do is to actually end the season.

"It isn't just about Liverpool - they've clearly won the league - they deserve it, they should be crowned league champions.

"The bottom line is, though, this is about health and safety and people's lives and I think football should have to come second in regards to making a choice here."

More than 300 people have died from coronavirus in Liverpool hospitals.

They didn't clearly win the league, yet. When Demba scored after the slip they still had the chance to win it but played a draw and bottled it, right before the PL stopped they started dropping points left and right and went out of all possible cups and all that, you never know.

If they are to be official champions everyone should know that it wasn't 100% sure.

To top this wacky (Brexit VAR CV-19 ) season, it would need something like... Spuds to be top of the prem league with 1 game left, when aliens invade earth and implement interstellar champions league suckerball , all humans are excluded from competing due to having feet instead of suckerpads, and when the aliens spit they wipe out the earthlings.

 

3 minutes ago, coco said:

To top this wacky (Brexit VAR CV-19 ) season, it would need something like... Spuds to be top of the prem league with 1 game left, when aliens invade earth and implement interstellar champions league suckerball , all humans are excluded from competing due to having feet instead of suckerpads, and when the aliens spit they wipe out the earthlings.

 

I could see aliens invading the planet in this wacky wierd season, but Spurs top with one game left!! Now that really is to wacky to consider possible

9 minutes ago, chi blue said:

I could see aliens invading the planet in this wacky wierd season, but Spurs top with one game left!! Now that really is to wacky to consider possible

point taken, swap spuds for Hereford utd then.

Over here in France the season is over (CORRECT DECISION) and all places stand as is (WRONG DECISION).

I'm more happy about the fact that they just cut out the "restart" BS. I live in Isle de France (outskirts of Paris) and the numbers in reanimation and just plain sick or dead is crazy.

Couldn't care less about PSG winning another title (since as far as I'm concerned all their titles are tainted to begin with).

 

If they do give the league to Liverpool but that avoids just one more life being lost, then I say fine.

23 hours ago, Coxy15 said:

Not sure, but there is a correlation with the value of those leagues. German and Spanish leagues are worth more than the French and Dutch. I'd hate to ever suggest that football puts money before health but...  there's a pattern emerging.

I'll be amazed if any european leagues get back underway and actually finish though. Given that the Germans lifted their lockdown restrictions and cases rocketed again, seems like that'll put a bit of caution into anyone else thinking about it.

That's not really true, the infection rate is pretty stable with the usual weekly fluctuations (below). My understanding is that the DFL have submitted a proposal to restart with 'ghost games', and the decision should come next week. It's not a sure thing because it's understandably quite a controversial issue here.

Prem doing anything to finish the season... I don't know how true the talks are of testing players staff etc multiple times before resuming and during to ensure no one is sick, but aren't there limited amount of tests available currently? If so, shouldn't the precedent be the citizens of the country who need the tests who may actually be sick, not some footballers because the FA is willing to finish the season regardless of cost?

I would just err on the side of caution, but I'm not in charge so my opinion on the situation is moot. I just think we are going to rush back and it's going to end up causing more issues in the long run than if we took it slow. 

1 hour ago, BordeauxBlue said:

Over here in France the season is over (CORRECT DECISION) and all places stand as is (WRONG DECISION).

I'm more happy about the fact that they just cut out the "restart" BS. I live in Isle de France (outskirts of Paris) and the numbers in reanimation and just plain sick or dead is crazy.

Couldn't care less about PSG winning another title (since as far as I'm concerned all their titles are tainted to begin with).

 

If they do give the league to Liverpool but that avoids just one more life being lost, then I say fine.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52484926

Paris St-Germain have been awarded the Ligue 1 title after it was announced the season would not resume because of the coronavirus pandemic.

PSG were 12 points clear at the top of the table, with a game in hand, when French football was suspended indefinitely on 13 March.

Earlier this week, France's Prime Minister Edouard Philippe cancelled the 2019-20 sporting season.

French football's governing body had hoped to resume the season on 17 June.

Lorient have been crowned Ligue 2 champions. They were just one point above Lens when the season was suspended and both teams will be promoted.

Amiens and Toulouse will be relegated from Ligue 1.

"There might be appeals but our decisions are solid," said Didier Quillot, the chief executive of the French League (LFP).

Quillot added the LFP had until 25 May to tell Uefa which clubs will be qualified for European competitions.

That is the same day by which European leagues have to tell European football's governing body whether they want to complete or cancel their seasons.

The Dutch top flight was abandoned on Friday with no promotion or relegation and no champions, while on Monday Belgian clubs postponed a vote on confirming the cancellation of their top flight until next week.

The French solution for the Premiership would cause ructions. Not so much for the title but for the bottom clubs. Bournemouth sit on 27 points, above them sit West Ham and Watford on 27 points. Villa have 25 and Norwich 21. Relegation is far from settled and any decision to end the season here and relegate the bottom three would result in legal action that would drag on for eons. The Dutch solution seems the most equitable for the Premiership but tough on league sides like Leeds, and that thought has me crying in my tea,

Sergio Aguero: Players 'scared' about Premier League return - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52493894

Comments from Aguero and Murray about restarting the season. Interesting that Murray says the public is desperate for football to return. Not sure about that. Would be great if fans were asked to vote on this.