32 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Rotten to the core for years? We've finished inside the top 4 for the past 5 seasons, along with winning a Champions Leage, Europa League, Club World Cup and getting to multiple Cup finals. Most club's fans (aside from City and Liverpool), would have dreamed to have the kind of success we have. 

sigh.....I think you are missing the point. Its not the trophies, but the whole structure.  We have been winning DESPITE the rot, not because of it.

Yes - I am sure many others would also like the success we have had. good for them.

The Champions league win under TT was a fantastic achievement and should not be undervalued or downplayed. But losing multiple cup finals, labouring to beat al Hilal 1v0 and the Brazilian team (where we needed a 117th min pen) are not all that impressive. But the point is not what we have won. As I said, we have regressing for years, with short-term fixes (and short-term managers) coming in place to keep the bandwagon rolling. It has to stop.

Over the past 5 seasons, we have played some of the most uninspiring, boring, passive, sideways/backwards football that I have ever seen. Scrapping top 4 a couple of times after others bottled it. This is not the platform of sustained success.

 

51 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

8 months ?

He started on 8th September. He's almost half way through his 6th month. Your other points are all valid, but we don't need to make it look worse than it already is !

With all the new players it feels like he is starting all over again and just 19 days into the post after the January window closing.

How mad would we look, spending £300m in the summer and sacking the manager six games after, then doing the same in the winter window spending £300m and sacking the manager after 3 games.

We made our bed........

The next Chelsea manager - the options . . .

1. Potter forever – give him more time

2. Mauricio Pochettino – the bookies favourite

3. Zinedine Zidane at 6/1 as second favourite, not sure he is a great or really lucky manager

4. Luis Enrique comes in at 8/1 if he was so good Spain would have won the world Cup

5. Brendan Rodgers is at 9/1  he bagan at Chelsea

6. No way we keep Felix - Diego Simeone is at 12/1

7. 3rd time lucky - Jose Mourinho, manager of Roma, is tipped at 16/1

8. What you again? Really? you are back for more?  Tuchel is at 14/1

9. Unfinished business - Carlo Ancelotti back at 20/1.

10.  Todd - Todd becomes the manager - how hard can it really be?

16 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

The next Chelsea manager - the options . . .

1. Potter forever – give him more time

    

2. Mauricio Pochettino – the bookies favourite

    

3. Zinedine Zidane at 6/1 as second favourite, not sure he is a great or really lucky manager

    

4. Luis Enrique comes in at 8/1 if he was so good Spain would have won the world Cup

    

5. Brendan Rodgers is at 9/1  he bagan at Chelsea

    

6. No way we keep Felix - Diego Simeone is at 12/1

    

7. 3rd time lucky - Jose Mourinho, manager of Roma, is tipped at 16/1

    

8. What you again? Really? you are back for more?  Tuchel is at 14/1

    

9. Unfinished business - Carlo Ancelotti back at 20/1.

    

10.  Todd - Todd becomes the manager - how hard can it really be?

Poch wont succeed, he will win a bit more games but eventually is going to fail

Rodgers? give me a break lol

30 minutes ago, coco said:

How mad would we look, spending £300m in the summer and sacking the manager six games after, then doing the same in the winter window spending £300m and sacking the manager after 3 games.

We made our bed........

hey, just want to know at what point you would think he is gotta go?

relegation?

lt would be even more bonkers to just keep the manager despite the ludicrous results just because some people say we have spent hundreds of millions a few months ago.

Our success has been built around getting rid of managers when it's starting to fall apart and like it or not it was a proven formula that saw us win Champuons leagues and countless titles and cups. 

Its a lovely notion sticking with Potter and praying it all magically starts to work and we become a successful team again however when you can't even beat or let alone score against the bottom club after a string of poor results that's all that is...a notion.

Our owners made an expensive mistake and now they need to rectify it and get the club back up the table.

4 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

hey, just want to know at what point you would think he is gotta go?

relegation?

I started supporting the club when we were in div 2 in the early 80s, it doesn't frighten me, i'll hold your hand if you like.

Watching teams like man utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, and City doing well while we’re languishing in 10th is an unbearable feeling. Look at what ten hag is doing at United for example compared to potter. Not only did he took them in the right direction but also got rid of either bad players like Maguire or toxic players like CR7. And what’s shocking is he made a player like rashford who’s been average for along time playing excellent football. While we have a manager who doesn’t know what’s he is doing with the players at disposal. And of course the potter apologists are going make excuses and say he didn’t have enough time to implement his ideas, even though he had nearly 6 months to do so. The sad reality is that he is not an elite level manager period. His statement at his post match press conference confirmed he is not cut out to be a top manager when he said we lost to a well prepared team. A well prepared team that’s bottom of the league and without a manger. Get rid ASAP before his mid table mentality seeps through the club.

11 minutes ago, coco said:

I started supporting the club when we were in div 2 in the early 80s, it doesn't frighten me, i'll hold your hand if you like.

Didn't you use to be Potter out, or am I remembering incorrectly?

39 minutes ago, TheCeleryKing said:

The next Chelsea manager - the options . . .

1. Potter forever – give him more time

    

2. Mauricio Pochettino – the bookies favourite

    

3. Zinedine Zidane at 6/1 as second favourite, not sure he is a great or really lucky manager

    

4. Luis Enrique comes in at 8/1 if he was so good Spain would have won the world Cup

    

5. Brendan Rodgers is at 9/1  he bagan at Chelsea

    

6. No way we keep Felix - Diego Simeone is at 12/1

    

7. 3rd time lucky - Jose Mourinho, manager of Roma, is tipped at 16/1

    

8. What you again? Really? you are back for more?  Tuchel is at 14/1

    

9. Unfinished business - Carlo Ancelotti back at 20/1.

    

10.  Todd - Todd becomes the manager - how hard can it really be?

Surpised a Tuchel return isn't on the list. Here's hoping 🙏, there isn't anyone on that list better than him

56 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

sigh.....I think you are missing the point. Its not the trophies, but the whole structure.  We have been winning DESPITE the rot, not because of it.

Yes - I am sure many others would also like the success we have had. good for them.

The Champions league win under TT was a fantastic achievement and should not be undervalued or downplayed. But losing multiple cup finals, labouring to beat al Hilal 1v0 and the Brazilian team (where we needed a 117th min pen) are not all that impressive. But the point is not what we have won. As I said, we have regressing for years, with short-term fixes (and short-term managers) coming in place to keep the bandwagon rolling. It has to stop.

Over the past 5 seasons, we have played some of the most uninspiring, boring, passive, sideways/backwards football that I have ever seen. Scrapping top 4 a couple of times after others bottled it. This is not the platform of sustained success.

 

We've been doing the short-term fix model since Abramovich took over. The only reason for our diminishing success compared to back then is the rise of clubs like Manchester City who can outspend us. Along with extremely poor recruitment from Marina after Emenalo left. But we've fixed the recruitment side of things now with Vivell in charge, Badiashile and Datro Fofana both look like extremely good value buys, jury's still out on the rest.

 

As for the sideways football, pretty much every top team plays possession based football these days. Counter attacking managers like Mourinho have seen their success fade. The difference with us however, is the recruitment. We've rarely signed players creative enough to play a possession based style effectively, which is part of the reason we look poor doing it. Though I'd argue our Champions League run under Tuchel was some of the best football we've ever played as a club, especially the 2nd leg against Real in 2021.

 

Either way, the biggest issue by far at the club by this point is Potter. There isn't an excuse for us being this bad. Man Utd were rotten to the core compared to us yet Ten Hag's managed to turn them around completely in 6 months. That's what an elite manager can do when backed, instead we sacked an elite manager for an utterly medicore one.

Dream on.

The new owners don't want to go down the old route.

It's a project, a very long term one by the looks of it, so as long as they can eventually sell the club for a big profit their investors will be happy even if we aren't.

7 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Didn't you use to be Potter out, or am I remembering incorrectly?

Always been on the fence, i didnt want him, i loved Tuchel, but fair dues he has had 3 games with over half a new team, 2 games we played ok, the other crap. 

9 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Surpised a Tuchel return isn't on the list. Here's hoping 🙏, there isn't anyone on that list better than him

No.8 on the list is Tuchel who is at 14-1 with the bookies

23 minutes ago, coco said:

I started supporting the club when we were in div 2 in the early 80s, it doesn't frighten me, i'll hold your hand if you like.

Are you trolling? 
 

do you mean it doesn’t matter if we relegated or not? Do you know the financial situation can bankrupt our club if we are relegated?

4 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Dream on.

The new owners don't want to go down the old route.

It's a project, a very long term one by the looks of it, so as long as they can eventually sell the club for a big profit their investors will be happy even if we aren't.

If we get relegated they will lose a lot of money because the club value will rank by a lot

3 minutes ago, coco said:

Always been on the fence, i didnt want him, i loved Tuchel, but fair dues he has had 3 games with over half a new team, 2 games we played ok, the other crap. 

I mean  we were awful before the new players came in too, if anything Badiashile and Enzo have been patching over how bad we are. But yeah I agree, sacking one of our best ever managers in Tuchel to give Potter a 60m contract was moronic.

Just now, cfcforeverfan said:

If we get relegated they will lose a lot of money because the club value will rank by a lot

We're not getting relegated mate, anyway our club rarely make a profit even during the last 20 years of success.

1 hour ago, Girish said:

Imagine we are sh*t for 2 years and then we become the best team in the world winning the league and the CL. Imagine that and how this thread is going to look like then 2 years down the line. We are all going to be calling Potter the next Fergie by then.

Hey, I can dream, can't I?

😂😂😂

You sure can. Dream on. 

5 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

Are you trolling? 
 

do you mean it doesn’t matter if we relegated or not? Do you know the financial situation can bankrupt our club if we are relegated?

We nearly went out of business 12 months ago, a relegation battle (which we are nowhere near) doesn't worry me in context.

We should be giving our managers more time.  But is Potter the bloke we should be giving more time to?  I am wondering what our new signings make of him?  what our players think about him?  At what point does he 'lose the dressing room'?  That is always the breaking point. When the players lose their faith. But with Potter it is strange as I am not sure the players ever had much faith to lose.

I just cannot get a read on how the players feel about him. IF the players like him, I am all in favour of him. If they enjoy his management style. Are they enjoying going to training? do they respect his ideas? Is he a visionary manager that the players are learning from?   How do the players feel about Potter? I got no read on this.  I dont have a sense that they are loving Potter time.

7 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

Are you trolling? 
 

do you mean it doesn’t matter if we relegated or not? Do you know the financial situation can bankrupt our club if we are relegated

We started the season £500m in debt because of the loan Todd and Clearlake took out to finance transfers etc

43 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

Poch wont succeed, he will win a bit more games but eventually is going to fail

Rodgers? give me a break lol

GP isn't fit to dine on the same table as Rodgers

2 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

We're not getting relegated mate, anyway our club rarely make a profit even during the last 20 years of success.

They are not depending on making money from year to year operation

 

They bought us for 3b and they want to sell it for 6b in 10 years, which will be a success to them

a couple hundred millions loss in operation is not their concern, as long as they can sell it big at the end.