11 minutes ago, Chelsbear said:

You don't get projects at big clubs, doesn't work like that especially if the start is a car crash like this has been. 

You spend over 300 million and you get the performances and results we have been getting since he came in then you have to draw the line somewhere.

Things are not stabilising and tbh it's getting worse. We cant score, we can't defend and we don't have a clear gameplay. Starting 11 full of established top footballers who don't know what the actual game plan is.

I'm done with it

You can get projects at big clubs. You just need to retain a basic level of service throughout the project. 

3 hours ago, Chris Gundleton said:

For all those youngsters who have never witnessed a relegation season, right now feels like one.  For those who have witnessed one, doesn't this feel like the year we went down in the play offs?!!?.  That season, we had a decent start and then went on a terrible run of like 25+ games without a win.  I reckon we're in the same position in the league now, as then, at the same point in the season.  

The one big difference though was that team still scored goals but still lost or drew.  I recall one game we were 3-0 or 4-0 up against the mighty Oxford, ended up 4-4!

That season we had Clarke and Dorigo at fullbacks, as good as James and Chilwell, still went down.  A "nice man" manager in Hollins, like Potter, who out of his depth Uncle Ken stuck with for too long and made the change to Campbell too late.  Still went down.  Each week thinking we're playing someone sh*t at the Bridge today, like a Charlton, thinking today we will win, we didnt, still went down.

Yesterday has proved to me that we must act immediately because right now, I can't see us scoring against anyone so when we play someone like Forest at home, where we should be thinking "win"... it won't happen....  I don't want to be at that point, near the end of the season, where we need a win, at the Bridge, to stay up.  That would be the Newcastle game, we won't win it.  

Speaking of Newcastle, 1st half yesterday was like watching Newcastle under Bruce.  11 men behind the ball and hoping that Saint-Maximan, read Madueke, might be able to do something!!!

Final comparison to our last relegation season, Ernie Walley = Potter's fat, short-arsed lower leagues side kick!

If you’re really worried about relegation, stick a tenner on it. You’ll have 5 grand to console yourself with if it happens.

41 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

No matter how sure I am of something, I'm not gambling my money on it. I won't even gamble a fiver on black jack 😆

I'm the same, but I must admit I am quite tempted by the current 500/1 odds of Chelsea being relegated LOL. Our last 8 or so fixtures are horrendous and I have little faith in us getting much out of the next 7 either ...

"too good to go down" ?

The DDF Sub Made No Sense To Then Put Mason As A False 9, Why Not Take Off Mount Or Felix As They Were Both Poor And Bring On Sterling, You Don't Need To Take Off Your Striker To Bring On Sterling For Game Time, You've Made Us Worse Up Top By Having No Vocal Point

His Subs And Tactics At Times Are Baffling Beyond Belief, Just Go To Basics, Play An Out And Out Forward Then Sort Out The Rest Of The Attackers, Personally I'd Like A Fofana Striker With Havertz And Felix In Behind Him Then A Midfield 3

Realistically the only available manager that has some experience of managing elite players and apparently has a good level of tactical formation and style in training is Poch.

Flick maybe People's first choice but the stuck with him and changed behind the scenes. He'll be seeing Germany through the Euros first.

12 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Yeah I generally agree and was being glib. 

Scolari, AVB = Bad

Ancelotti, Jose, Tuchel, Conte= Great

Lampard, Sarri = one was desperation, the other quit. 

So out of 6 judgements, 4 great, 2 bad.

Incidentally, I genuinely think Roman would have gone Potter as well, he was the name everyone went to, he was courted by lots of clubs, and would have been no more surprising than Lampard, Tuchel or "never won a trophy" Sarri. 

I know he was universally hated, but Benitez was a good manager, just his baggage never let him be forgiven, would you swap for him?

We were unlucky to not win our last two games away to Dortmund and West Ham before the Southampton game, i take some hope from that, especially the way we played in Germany, if we can do that there, we wont have any worry of all this relegation talk.

Sack him now and we will pay £60m for 5 months work, that is £400k per/day.

 

Just now, coco said:

We were unlucky to not win our last two games away to Dortmund and West Ham before the Southampton game, i take some hope from that, especially the way we played in Germany, if we can do that there, we wont have any worry of all this relegation talk.

Sack him now and we will pay £60m for 5 months work, that is £400k per/day.

 

Don't sack him and we face zero European football and performance bonus for finishing high up in the league. 

Have to add it all up

1 minute ago, Chelsbear said:

Don't sack him and we face zero European football and performance bonus for finishing high up in the league. 

Have to add it all up

New manager = new contract = another £60m investment = £160m spent on 3 managers in 5 months.

6 minutes ago, coco said:

We were unlucky to not win our last two games away to Dortmund and West Ham before the Southampton game, i take some hope from that, especially the way we played in Germany, if we can do that there, we wont have any worry of all this relegation talk.

Sack him now and we will pay £60m for 5 months work, that is £400k per/day.

 

Perhaps we can agree to pay him off in full, but spread over the next 20 years LOL

1 minute ago, coco said:

New manager = new contract = another £60m investment = £160m spent on 3 managers in 5 months.

Boehly would have to be monumentally stupid to hire a replacement on the same contract terms ... but even then, it wouldn't equate to all of that being spent in 5 months ... 

Potter was on £2M at Brighton. Offering him £12M a season for 5 years was totally un-necessary and very stupid, given the huge risk that he might not deliver. If this is compounded by having no severance clause on terms reasonable for the club, then we clearly need a new legal and contracts department almost as badly as we need a new medical department.

I don't even know who I would want to replace Potter if he was to get the boot.

Zidane - It's so weird that he won 3 champions leagues in a row and I'm still not sure if he's an elite manager. I don't know why, maybe because he had Ronaldo scoring 50 goals a season.

Poch - Not sure on him, did awful at PSG but did well as Spurs

Flick - Superb at Bayern but his tenure only lasted a couple of years against much weaker opposition, before that he spent 14 years as an assistant. He also massively flipped with Germany at the World Cup and didn't get out of the group stage.

Luis Enrique - Good style of football but for the most part at Spain he seemed to have that irritating trait of playing well and not scoring enough goals which we've had enough of over the years. His career at Barca I just find it hard to look past that he had a prime Messi carrying the team to trophies.

The return of Mourinho - Obviously a club legend and my favourite manager of all time. I'd be a bit concerned about him managing our young attackers. Plus after the way he got sacked the second time I don't know does it end any differently?

1 minute ago, timetowaste said:

I don't even know who I would want to replace Potter if he was to get the boot.

Zidane - It's so weird that he won 3 champions leagues in a row and I'm still not sure if he's an elite manager. I don't know why, maybe because he had Ronaldo scoring 50 goals a season.

Poch - Not sure on him, did awful at PSG but did well as Spurs

Flick - Superb at Bayern but his tenure only lasted a couple of years against much weaker opposition, before that he spent 14 years as an assistant. He also massively flipped with Germany at the World Cup and didn't get out of the group stage.

Luis Enrique - Good style of football but for the most part at Spain he seemed to have that irritating trait of playing well and not scoring enough goals which we've had enough of over the years. His career at Barca I just find it hard to look past that he had a prime Messi carrying the team to trophies.

The return of Mourinho - Obviously a club legend and my favourite manager of all time. I'd be a bit concerned about him managing our young attackers. Plus after the way he got sacked the second time I don't know does it end any differently?

Poch on £6m a year, 18 month contract. Minimum performance expectations built into the contract. If he meets them he gets another 18 month extension. 

He's been out of work for ages and I think he'd bite our arm off ... 

Not even sure he did "awful" at PSG to be honest. Only there for one full season, and won the title. Got knocked out in the Champions League to Real Madrid (Round of 16) and Manchester City (SF), both great teams with great managers. he's not the first guy to fail to land the Champions League at PSG, and he won't be the last. Won the domestic cup in his first seasons at PSG. Took over there in first season at the half way point with them adrift in 3rd and improved to 2nd. It can be spun a hell of a lot better than anything Potter achieved anywhere. Plus Potter will ever get near what Poch achieved over 5 seasons at Spurs, and possibly not even the 8th place he got at little old Southampton either 🙂 

As much as we would want to debate this, let's be realistic. Potter isn't going anywhere this season. Unless we somehow end up near the relegation, Boehly & Co. will not even entertain the idea of sacking Potter. They have got their toes dipped so far into these murky waters that they probably don't even know how to pull out.

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20 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Boehly would have to be monumentally stupid to hire a replacement on the same contract terms ... but even then, it wouldn't equate to all of that being spent in 5 months ... 

Potter was on £2M at Brighton. Offering him £12M a season for 5 years was totally un-necessary and very stupid, given the huge risk that he might not deliver. If this is compounded by having no severance clause on terms reasonable for the club, then we clearly need a new legal and contracts department almost as badly as we need a new medical department.

And a new owner cos the bloke in charge is clearly a clown if he has not thought this through. Surely Clearlake would be asking questions of him as well.

13 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Above? No. I also wouldn't rank him below scolari or AVB. 

At this rate man, I think you're just having a right laugh. 

At their worst, they are better managers and at their best they have won world Cup and league titles between them. They were booted out of Chelsea with their respective tems doing well below were we usually would be but still better than GP. 

Stop the cap mam. 

I’ve always said that I’m on the fence with Potter and that I’d give him until the end of the season to see if he can get the tune out of the team. I was already leaning towards the he is not going to cut it at Chelsea, and yesterday’s game has shifted me more to that thinking. Sack him now? I’m still not on that side because I don’t see any quality coach around willing to come, and because it is too late in the season to keep changing. Only if he got us into the relegation zone I’d change my opinion. The two previous games, West Ham and Drotmund, were good performances from us, and as Tuchel said once, if we play those games 100 times, 99 times we win them. Yesterday was shocking, honestly, but nothing that we’ve not seen before under Sarri, Conte, Lamps and Tuchel.

2 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

And a new owner cos the bloke in charge is clearly a clown if he has not thought this through. Surely Clearlake would be asking questions of him as well.

Clearlake leadership is basically Eghbali and Felicano. Certainly Eghbali seems happy enough. Perhaps we need Feliciano to get back to what he does best and start lighting some fires LOL

30 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

I don't even know who I would want to replace Potter if he was to get the boot.

Zidane - It's so weird that he won 3 champions leagues in a row and I'm still not sure if he's an elite manager. I don't know why, maybe because he had Ronaldo scoring 50 goals a season.

Poch - Not sure on him, did awful at PSG but did well as Spurs

Flick - Superb at Bayern but his tenure only lasted a couple of years against much weaker opposition, before that he spent 14 years as an assistant. He also massively flipped with Germany at the World Cup and didn't get out of the group stage.

Luis Enrique - Good style of football but for the most part at Spain he seemed to have that irritating trait of playing well and not scoring enough goals which we've had enough of over the years. His career at Barca I just find it hard to look past that he had a prime Messi carrying the team to trophies.

The return of Mourinho - Obviously a club legend and my favourite manager of all time. I'd be a bit concerned about him managing our young attackers. Plus after the way he got sacked the second time I don't know does it end any differently?

Spalletti, Roger Schmidt, ange postecoglou. All from next season. And I am a little bit, but only a little bit tongue in cheek with ange. 

36 minutes ago, abister1 said:

At this rate man, I think you're just having a right laugh. 

At their worst, they are better managers and at their best they have won world Cup and league titles between them. They were booted out of Chelsea with their respective tems doing well below were we usually would be but still better than GP. 

Stop the cap mam. 

Think you just misunderstood. 

I'm ranking their performance at Chelsea. 

Potter scolari AVB = F. 

Don't see the point in separating failures. 

If you forced my hand right now I'd place Scolari and Potter level, and have more sympathy with AVB. Scolari had the best team in the world in my opinion and we were going to finish 5th in a league with only two good teams. 

Edited February 19, 20233 yr by bisright1

32 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Clearlake leadership is basically Eghbali and Felicano. Certainly Eghbali seems happy enough. Perhaps we need Feliciano to get back to what he does best and start lighting some fires LOL

Like what you did there

4 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Think you just misunderstood. 

I'm ranking their performance at Chelsea. 

Potter scolari AVB = F. 

Don't see the point in separating failures. 

If you forced my hand right now I'd place Scolari and Potter level, and have more sympathy with AVB. Scolari had the best team in the world in my opinion and we were going to finish 5th in a league with only two good teams. 

I think you need an "Epic F" category for Potter. He's in a class of one on this, trust me.

Lowest scoring manager in our entire history going back to 1905, let alone looking at anything "trivial" like winning games LOL

13 hours ago, enigma said:

I understand that Potter came in at a difficult time, but we have most of our players back now and brought in some fantastic signings, had pretty kind fixtures recently. I am not understanding how we aren't looking improved. It doesn't make sense. I think he's in trouble if the next 3 fixtures are negative. 

What difficult time please? 6 games in. 10 pts out af an18 possible total. In 6th position, 5 points off top, 3 points away from Brighton in 4th who are now 7th and 4 points ahead of us. 3 points ahead of Newcastle in 11th who are now in 4th and 10 points ahead of us. 

At that time of the season that's not an issue so I'm sure you don't mean our position. 

If you say difficult due to performance ok maybe that but if you'd back a GP to get us out such a difficult situation then you seriously need to do some soul searching. 

Why should the team not look clueless, the team had gone though a turbulent period only a few months ago. Lost stalwarts of TTs team, had just brought in a few new signings meant to jump straight in first team. Of course there could be a bedding in period as some now argue for GP. Fact is if TT had remained he won't be doing s poor a job as this. I say that with 101% certainty. 

And no I don't have a crystal ball, nor a time machine to see into the future or unknown, but what I do have are decades worth of managerial stats to compare and make my mind up. Something everyone has and can and should use. 

47 minutes ago, Girish said:

As much as we would want to debate this, let's be realistic. Potter isn't going anywhere this season. Unless we somehow end up near the relegation, Boehly & Co. will not even entertain the idea of sacking Potter. They have got their toes dipped so far into these murky waters that they probably don't even know how to pull out.

The point being though as much as the media go on about us being 10 points off of 4th place, we are also 10 points off of the relegation places. Not saying it will happen but it's still the case

16 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Think you just misunderstood. 

I'm ranking their performance at Chelsea. 

Potter scolari AVB = F. 

Don't see the point in separating failures. 

If you forced my hand right now I'd place Scolari and Potter level, and have more sympathy with AVB. Scolari had the best team in the world in my opinion and we were going to finish 5th in a league with only two good teams. 

Ok, I see what you mean. 

However I think Scolari was better though, yes a poorer league than it is now but we played some high Octane football at the very start, he started well then there was a bad run and got sacked during that run. 

Also brought a totally different concept to what the players had been used to and perhaps that was when we saw player power at its peak in chelsea. 

So I would say it was better than GP. The comparison to me is Scolari in the Hilton Garden Inn and GP in the penthouse suite of the Waldorf Astoria. 

In the last 2 or 3 decades, the only managers I've never had my doubt would continue to perform worse were Lamps and GP. And I'd even rank lamps better than GP because in two seasons here he did perform beyond expectations.