2 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Thought one of the reasons Hall wanted out was because he didn't want to keep picking up shifts at LB

Ya, his preference was midfield. Could be wrong but I think he has had one sub appearance there for Eddie. Eddie doesn't seem to fancy him full stop.

 

How many small players from Germany have been successful here. 
So is it’s a coincidence Sancho is suddenly playing well again in less physical league?

Try as you may Maatsen would be a disaster at LB in this league for any team.

 

Funny some of these advocates of Maatsen are probably the same ones moaning Jackson is weak🤣

Edited January 22, 20242 yr by El regreso

29 minutes ago, El regreso said:

How many small players from Germany have been successful here. 
So is it’s a coincidence Sancho is suddenly playing well again in less physical league?

Try as you may Maatsen would be a disaster at LB in this league for any team.

 

Funny some of these advocates of Maatsen are probably the same ones moaning Jackson is weak🤣

Not really sure why size is an issue when we had Ashley Cole at LB for a decade.

Also not really sure on the relevance of Sancho. At the same time Haaland is doing even better in the Prem, KDB Son, Firmino, Gundogan, Kompany, Sane all from the same league. 

Who's moaning that Jackson is weak? His physicality is one of his assets. 

More made up sh*te being pedalled on here again. 

Edited January 22, 20242 yr by RIP Mourinho

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

 

Imagine how much better that pass would have been if he was 6 inches taller...

Just now, dkw said:

Imagine how much better that pass would have been if he was 6 inches taller...

Not really sure how he made the interception with such a tiny malnourished frame...

On 21/01/2024 at 01:23, dkw said:

Yeah we should definitely base every decision on one game a player plays, out of position, on his debut.....

5 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

wingers are more physical than defenders?

Out of position is most certainly a farfetched notion with regards to Maatsen. He isn't some standard fullback, he was essentially a winger under Burnely and his attacking traits have undoubtedly been recognized here. I'm still unsure as to why people who saw Maatsen play since preseason still want him at LB. 

 

 

 

Just now, Sconnie Blue said:

Out of position is most certainly a farfetched notion with regards to Maatsen. He isn't some standard fullback, he was essentially a winger under Burnely and his attacking traits have undoubtedly been recognized here. I'm still unsure as to why people who saw Maatsen play since preseason still want him at LB. 

 

 

 

So what you're saying is he's perfect for our tried and tested 3 ATB at LWB and would also allow us to play Colwill in a more natural position?

The point is we didn't see him play anywhere close to his preferred position.

5 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

So what you're saying is he's perfect for our tried and tested 3 ATB at LWB and would also allow us to play Colwill in a more natural position?

The point is we didn't see him play anywhere close to his preferred position.

He's a victim of circumstance. 

19 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Out of position is most certainly a farfetched notion with regards to Maatsen. He isn't some standard fullback, he was essentially a winger under Burnely and his attacking traits have undoubtedly been recognized here. I'm still unsure as to why people who saw Maatsen play since preseason still want him at LB. 

 

 

 

He was played at Right wing for f**ks sake.

"Out of position is farfetched" and to prove it you show us a graphic proving that he was played out of position at RW. Is this some kind of joke?

Edited January 22, 20242 yr by dkw

BURNLEY:

DORTMUND:

CHELSEA:

 

Heat maps show how he was utilised here. Never once gave him a run where he is most comfortable so will never know how good he could have been. Wasted 6 months of his career with Poch. He should have been used to playing RW though apparently...

 

7 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

He's a victim of circumstance. 

He's a victim of Poch.

Just now, dkw said:

He was played at Right wing for f**ks sake.

Position means dick if the player is bullied off the ball. Add his already poor defensive game and still wanting him in our most vulnerable of areas which is our own defensive end, isn't practical. Had Pep signed Maatsen he'd be using him in the same roles Oscar Bob and Rico Lewis are in. 

7 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

He's a victim of Poch.

We don't play wingbacks given the attack and midfield we've invested in. 

4 hours ago, Malcolm9 said:

And? There are mitigating reasons for that. 

Still plenty to fight for this season, we can finish in the top six and push on for next season.

Yeah - there are mitigating reasons, partly that we have been rubbish for 2 years.  Dortmund are in a stronger position than us - hence my initial comment. Which I stand by.

1 minute ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Position means dick if the player is bullied off the ball. Add his already poor defensive game and still wanting him in our most vulnerable of areas which is our own defensive end, isn't practical. Had Pep signed Maatsen he'd be using him in the same roles Oscar Bob and Rico Lewis are in. 

We don't play wingbacks given the attack and midfield we've invested in. 

The attack and midfield that have been sh*te, you mean? 

Once again, absolutely no proof he gets bullied at LB. Play a progressive game with players that can play a ball and you don't need to be making 30 tackles a game. Christ we've seen Liverpool challenge for league titles year in, year out with Trent at RB making less tackles than Maatsen P90 in a much more physcial league (Championship). 

Back to the original point, we'll never know because we never tried it. Not even once. 

7 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Position means dick if the player is bullied off the ball.

Your entire argument was he had`nt been played out of position, now that doesnt matter anyway? f**king hell mate, get a grip.

33 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Out of position is most certainly a farfetched notion with regards to Maatsen. He isn't some standard fullback, he was essentially a winger under Burnely and his attacking traits have undoubtedly been recognized here. I'm still unsure as to why people who saw Maatsen play since preseason still want him at LB. 

 

 

 

I've looked at this so many times and I'm still confused by the above graphic, what is this proving other than he played as a modern full back for Burnley? 

5 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

The attack and midfield that have been sh*te, you mean? 

Once again, absolutely no proof he gets bullied at LB. Play a progressive game with players that can play a ball and you don't need to be making 30 tackles a game. Christ we've seen Liverpool challenge for league titles year in, year out with Trent at RB making less tackles than Maatsen P90 in a much more physcial league (Championship). 

Back to the original point, we'll never know because we never tried it. Not even once. 

He's played 3 full season's in the EFL and at two of his three clubs he got moved to the wing because he wasn't trusted defensively.

2 minutes ago, Argo said:

He's played 3 full season's in the EFL and at two of his three clubs he got moved to the wing because he wasn't trusted defensively.

Do you have proof this is why he was moved?

1 minute ago, dkw said:

Your entire argument was he had`nt been played out of position, now that doesnt matter anyway? f**king hell mate, get a grip.

My argument is that it bewilders me given what we already know of Maatsen from his time at Burnley (attacking wingback but poor defensively) and what we as fans have seen from our own eyes since preseason (good in the attacking end but physically limited), that people still think he's being played out of position when not at LB. 

The lad is genuinely an attacking player. 

8 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

The attack and midfield that have been sh*te, you mean? 

Once again, absolutely no proof he gets bullied at LB. Play a progressive game with players that can play a ball and you don't need to be making 30 tackles a game. Christ we've seen Liverpool challenge for league titles year in, year out with Trent at RB making less tackles than Maatsen P90 in a much more physcial league (Championship). 

Back to the original point, we'll never know because we never tried it. Not even once. 

No proof? Talk to any Burnley fan or to save you some hassle, go on any Burnley matchday forums and see what they say on Maatsen's defensive contributions when Burnley weren't whoring the ball in the opposition end. We are certainly not at that level, in the Prem of all leagues, where we can have that kind of luxury. 

Rico Lewis, the player Maatsen would've inevitably replaced, has only played LB once this season, and even during that match he was an inverted midfielder. 

4 minutes ago, Argo said:

He's played 3 full season's in the EFL and at two of his three clubs he got moved to the wing because he wasn't trusted defensively.

Charlton:

Coventry:

Burnley:

Coventry is the only team that gave him decent minutes further up and that's because they often played a back 3 and he was at LWB.

Next made up nonsense please. 

3 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

My argument is that it bewilders me given what we already know of Maatsen from his time at Burnley (attacking wingback but poor defensively) and what we as fans have seen from our own eyes since preseason (good in the attacking end but physically limited), that people still think he's being played out of position when not at LB. 

The lad is genuinely an attacking player. 

No proof? Talk to any Burnley fan or to save you some hassle, go on any Burnley matchday forums and see what they say on Maatsen's defensive contributions when Burnley weren't whoring the ball in the opposition end. We are certainly not at that level, in the Prem of all leagues, where we can have that kind of luxury. 

Rico Lewis, the player Maatsen would've inevitably replaced, has only played LB once this season, and even during that match he was an inverted midfielder. 

Probably because he's a RB mate. 

You cant use his attacking at Burnley as a reason not to play him at left back, every player bar the keeper (and he probably stood on the halfway line) were attacking as they were by an absolute mile the best team in the division, only lost 3 games and barely needed to bother defending, ever.

1 minute ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Probably because he's a RB mate. 

Also played there only once this season. 

Victim of Pep. 

4 minutes ago, dkw said:

You cant use his attacking at Burnley as a reason not to play him at left back, every player bar the keeper (and he probably stood on the halfway line) were attacking as they were by an absolute mile the best team in the division, only lost 3 games and barely needed to bother defending, ever.

But when asked to defend, Maatsen was heavily criticized. 

1 minute ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Also played there only once this season. 

Victim of Pep. 

But when asked to defend, Maatsen was heavily criticized. 

Rico Lewis competing against Walker and Stones for game time in a team challenging for a title against Maatsen challenging just Colwill for midtable. I don't need to explain this to you.