4 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

 

But when asked to defend, Maatsen was heavily criticized. 

You have something to back this up?

4 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Rico Lewis competing against Walker and Stones for game time in a team challenging for a title against Maatsen challenging just Colwill for midtable. I don't need to explain this to you. 

The same John Stones that hasn't played RB once this season. Ok mate. 

Or maybe Pep's recognized Lewis's small stature and physical limitations playing at full back is detrimental and instead is utilizing his attributes with the ball more efficiently in midfield roles. 

1 minute ago, dkw said:

You have something to back this up?

 

20 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

The same John Stones that hasn't played RB once this season. Ok mate. 

Or maybe Pep's recognized Lewis's small stature and physical limitations playing at full back is detrimental and instead is utilizing his attributes with the ball more efficiently in midfield roles. 

 

Are you taking the piss, your proof is someone on here saying the same thing as you with no proof? 

2 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

The same John Stones that hasn't played RB once this season. Ok mate. 

Or maybe Pep's recognized Lewis's small stature and physical limitations playing at full back is detrimental and instead is utilizing his attributes with the ball more efficiently in midfield roles. 

 

You know all those times Stones has been at CDM he's been inverting from RB. Admittedly was mainly Pep's tactic for last season when he won the treble. 

41 minutes ago, dkw said:

You have something to back this up?

https://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboard/search.php?keywords=Maatsen+defending&terms=all&author=&sc=1&sf=all&sr=posts&sk=t&sd=d&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search

9 minutes ago, dkw said:

Are you taking the piss, your proof is someone on here saying the same thing as you with no proof? 

My proof is speaking with actual Burnley fans and their analysis of him over the course of last season. Explained as much in the shared post you chose to ignore for whatever reason. 

9 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

You know all those times Stones has been at CDM he's been inverting from RB. Admittedly was mainly Pep's tactic for last season when he won the treble. 

What's this have to do with Rico Lewis not playing fullback?

 

2 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

My proof is speaking with actual Burnley fans and their analysis of him over the course of last season.

Yeah right, sure it is. Your talking absolute sh*te here, it's genuinely embarrassing  

Edited January 22, 20242 yr by dkw

2 hours ago, Argo said:

https://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboard/search.php?keywords=Maatsen+defending&terms=all&author=&sc=1&sf=all&sr=posts&sk=t&sd=d&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search

Carry on reading the conversations, the majority have others praising his defending, calling out those claims he can't defend etc.

It's certainly not all Burnley fans on there.

1 hour ago, dkw said:

Yeah right, sure it is. Your talking absolute sh*te here, it's genuinely embarrassing  

Genuinely Embarrassing using secondary research as a point of reference? Are you on a windup?

Here are two threads alone questioning Maatsen defensively and some suggesting there are better ways to be spending the £30m. 

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You're right army, Chelsea have let some talent slip through their fingers over the years, they sold De Bruyne to Wolfsburg for £18 million before he ended up at City, maybe Maatsen will follow in his footsteps, we'll see. I'm not saying he's rubbish or anything, he's a decent player, but imo he's deficient defensively, seriously so, and to me it's telling that after a year at Coventry, a year with us and now 6 months at Chelsea, no PL team wants to take him on, except us of course, a bottom three club. There must be a reason for this lack of interest.

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Yes, great going forward but not a great defender imo. But you can't blame him for choosing BD over what appears to be relegation bound BFC

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As Sub says. He can feck off for me as well, let's see how many offers he gets at £30 million, not many would be my guess.

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£10m max. No more

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If we were looking for a left full back who can add to our defensive play then I do not think Maatsen is the answer, as he showed in our championship campaign last year when up againt a good winger his defensive play was not his strong point. However, he was good playing an attacking wing back in the championship.

This season it appears that Chelsea play him main as a substitute in mid-field, is that something we need, I did not in summer consider him worth £30M and would not like us to offer that sort of money in January.

It is more obvious that with our style of play we need a clinical striker and I would sooner any funding available be put into a striker.

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If he is that good then why does he not catch at Chelsea, however, as said by others its a maybe but not at £30m he is know where near that price. If that is the price or anything near then it is no. It is about value for money.

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His attributes - I know defensive wise some aren’t convinced but I think he very quick and that gets him out of a lot of defensive 1-1 he has a very good quick brain and two good feet and to round it off he has amazing balance which is something that many don’t.

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I think his stock has dropped. £10m even feels a lot now.

Decent on the ball but we need to be adding experience, size & strength to that back line.

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Borussia Dortmund in negotiations with Chelsea over Maatsen, apparently he's their top priority signing this January, Monaco are sniffing round as well, so it seems we can move on from Maatsen at last. No problem for me, I'm certain there are better ways of spending £30 million.

https://boards.footymad.net/showthread.php?t=38313379&highlight=maatsen

 

Edited January 22, 20242 yr by Sconnie Blue

6 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Genuinely Embarrassing using secondary research as a point of reference? Are you on a windup?

Here are two threads alone questioning Maatsen defensively and some suggesting there are better ways to be spending the £30m. 

https://boards.footymad.net/showthread.php?t=38314312&highlight=maatsen

https://boards.footymad.net/showthread.php?t=38313379&highlight=maatsen

 

Yes, they're really slating him aren't they? 😂😂😂

Edited January 22, 20242 yr by Gonoir Beniashile

Everytime we sell an u25/23 we're apparently going to hugely regret it and/or try and buy them back for extreme amounts (in the Roman/Clearlake eras we've literally brought back a player we sold as a youngster once IIRC which was Matic, yet the media bang on like it happens every transfer window). I remember these narratives were spun for Solanke even f**king Brewster when they were making up the numbers on the Liverpool bench a few times.

The ironic thing is is the youngsters we do fully commit to get criticised to sh*t the minute they have a dip (as seen with Christensen, Mount, Colwill to name three).

1 hour ago, Argo said:

Everytime we sell an u25/23 we're apparently going to hugely regret it and/or try and buy them back for extreme amounts (in the Roman/Clearlake eras we've literally brought back a player we sold as a youngster once IIRC which was Matic, yet the media bang on like it happens every transfer window). I remember these narratives were spun for Solanke even f**king Brewster when they were making up the numbers on the Liverpool bench a few times.

The ironic thing is is the youngsters we do fully commit to get criticised to sh*t the minute they have a dip (as seen with Christensen, Mount, Colwill to name three).

It was f**king tedious with Lamptey, I never hear about him now. 

12 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Genuinely Embarrassing using secondary research as a point of reference? Are you on a windup?

 

 

Whats genuinely embarrassing is you thinking "someone told me, honest mate, just believe me" is a secondary research point of reference 🤣

17 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

My proof is speaking with actual Burnley fans and their analysis of him over the course of last season. Explained as much in the shared post you chose to ignore for whatever reason. 

What's this have to do with Rico Lewis not playing fullback?

 

Competition for places and quality of competition is why Rico Lewis isn't playing in his preferred role. If Walker and Stones got injured, Lewis would likely fill in at RB. We've not got that competition with a  so have no excuse for not giving Maatsen minutes even once at LB. Thought that was quite obvious what i was getting at. 

6 hours ago, Victor90 said:

It was f**king tedious with Lamptey, I never hear about him now. 

Most weren't that bothered about Lamptey as we had Reece. More of an uproar losing Livramento, which seems justified. 

9 hours ago, Argo said:

Everytime we sell an u25/23 we're apparently going to hugely regret it and/or try and buy them back for extreme amounts

You're contradicting yourself.

On the one hand you quote Burnley fans opinion as if their word is sacrosanct. On the other hand you're slagging them off entirely because of their opinion.

 

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Most weren't that bothered about Lamptey as we had Reece. More of an uproar losing Livramento, which seems justified. 

Very much so. We sell Livramento and eventually get about £25m for him and then spunk £65m up the wall on Cucurella.

Why on Earth anybody would think that was a good idea is beyond me.

Newcastle fans are raving about Tino.

8 hours ago, Victor90 said:

It was f**king tedious with Lamptey, I never hear about him now. 

He was highly rated last season so not sure how. He's just injured now is all. 

57 minutes ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

You're contradicting yourself.

On the one hand you quote Burnley fans opinion as if their word is sacrosanct. On the other hand you're slagging them off entirely because of their opinion.

 

If we're going down that route you're doing the exact same thing in reverse!

1 hour ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Very much so. We sell Livramento and eventually get about £25m for him and then spunk £65m up the wall on Cucurella.

Why on Earth anybody would think that was a good idea is beyond me.

Newcastle fans are raving about Tino.

Livramento chose to leave as he was behind a young Reece James that everyone knew was going to be first team, it was his decision not to sign a contract so not a lot we could do.

31 minutes ago, dkw said:

Livramento chose to leave as he was behind a young Reece James that everyone knew was going to be first team, it was his decision not to sign a contract so not a lot we could do.

Yup. Declined a new contract. Third in the queue behind Azpi and Reece. He'd've had to wait two years to discover Reece is made of glass.

5 hours ago, dkw said:

Whats genuinely embarrassing is you thinking "someone told me, honest mate, just believe me" is a secondary research point of reference 🤣

Using a fanbases' perspective on a player that they've watched week in and week out, for over a year, isn't some far cry of supporting evidence. You asked me to 'prove it', I showed you Burnley' fans perspective where majority of them didn't want to spend the money to buy Maatsen and slated him defensively. 

3 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Competition for places and quality of competition is why Rico Lewis isn't playing in his preferred role. If Walker and Stones got injured, Lewis would likely fill in at RB. We've not got that competition with a  so have no excuse for not giving Maatsen minutes even once at LB. Thought that was quite obvious what i was getting at. 

If you want to talk about quality of competition Rico Lewis was starting matches in midfield over Kovacic, Nunes and Phillips. You yourself explained Pep won the treble using a strong backline and its hardly surprising Rico Lewis is looking more natural as a midfielder than as opposed to playing fullback. 

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

 

If you want to talk about quality of competition Rico Lewis was starting matches in midfield over Kovacic, Nunes and Phillips. You yourself explained Pep won the treble using a strong backline and its hardly surprising Rico Lewis is looking more natural as a midfielder than as opposed to playing fullback. 

In the early stages of cup competitions you fail to mention...

Rico has started 4 games in the premier league this season:

3-0 win over Burnley first game of the season, started LB.

1-0 loss to Arsenal, started CM alongside Kovacic. Pep notoriously won't ever start Phillips and Nunes had only played a single 90 minutes against Forest at this point since signing. 

1-0 loss to Villa, started AM. Kovacic had played just 3 minutes of football since coming back before this game and Nunes wasn't in the squad the two games before this.

2-2 draw with Crystal Palace, started CM. Nunes had played a single 90 minutes of premier league football for City before this and Kovacic had played 3 minutes of football since coming back into the squad.

 

So in summary, whenever the full back started further forward than his natural position this season they dropped points and was starting there due to circumstance. 

8 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Most weren't that bothered about Lamptey as we had Reece. More of an uproar losing Livramento, which seems justified. 

Revisionism, I remember full well when Lamptey left people never shut the f**k up about him for the first couple of seasons. 

5 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Using a fanbases' perspective on a player that they've watched week in and week out, for over a year, isn't some far cry of supporting evidence. You asked me to 'prove it', I showed you Burnley' fans perspective where majority of them didn't want to spend the money to buy Maatsen and slated him defensively. 

No you didn't, you said this below, which is absolute bullsh*t, sure you spent time speaking to Burnley fans, righto.....utter nonsense.

On 22/01/2024 at 15:58, Sconnie Blue said:

My proof is speaking with actual Burnley fans and their analysis of him over the course of last season.