8 minutes ago, just said:

To be a top class left back it's not how tall you are, it's how much hair you have.

 

 

I can't believe how players can look class at Brighton and turn immediately a lot worse when they leave for mega money

On 17/01/2024 at 17:36, El regreso said:

He’s just not built for it, yes you have small defenders but they are the exception rather than the rule and he would have to be exceptional to be successful with his size at LB in the most physical league in the world.

 

If Colwill is getting bullied how on earth do some fans think Maatsen would cope better 😂

The match he started recently he got out muscled every time he had to duel for the ball.

It'll be ok.

The club has installed one of those height restriction boards you see at funfairs,  you can't play for us if you fit under it.

15 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

I can't believe how players can look class at Brighton and turn immediately a lot worse when they leave for mega money

........  or got sacked off by a big club without hardly kicking a ball and then look class when they go to Brighton.

3 hours ago, goose said:

Not going to get into the whole height debate, I actually like him and think he’s a decent player. 
That clip maybe shows the good and the bad. Started off with an awful pass to the opposition which could have ended in a goal only to recover the ball and play a really good through ball. 
Could easily have been Zero but ended up Hero.

That assist clip pretty much showcases what has been said at length ... Maatsen is good going forwards but not much of a defender. 

1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said:

... Maatsen is good going forwards but not much of a defender. 

Not sure how anyone would still want him at LB here after what we’ve seen. Bullied at RW yet people want him to defend against the most physical players in the world. 
 

As far as attack goes, he’s a victim of circumstance. Too many players here already that are heavily invested on. I reckon he’ll be a winger eventually if Dortmund buy him. Bundesliga suits him with their suicidal football. 

 

4 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Not sure how anyone would still want him at LB here after what we’ve seen. Bullied at RW 

 

 

Yeah we should definitely base every decision on one game a player plays, out of position, on his debut.....

Shocked.

A LB is played in position (for a team that is better than us) and is doing well

31 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Shocked.

A LB is played in position (for a team that is better than us) and is doing well

But he got bullied in that one game he played for us at right wing (which he has never played before) so getting rid of him was right...apparently.

1 hour ago, nonotnowjim said:

Shocked.

A LB is played in position (for a team that is better than us) and is doing well

Dortmund aren't better than us, even with the current squad refresh. We are a quality striker / attacker or two away from being more potent in attack.

Edited January 21, 20242 yr by Malcolm9

Question for all the Maatsen advocates ... if we are going to keep an academy graduate left back who is good going forwards, but suspect defensively, would you take Hall or Maatsen ? 

Reason I am asking is that it is not yet a given that Newcastle will retain Hall, given their FFP situation and the rumours that the Hall "obligation to buy" has conditions attached to it that may not be met. If Hall is coming back, maybe that explains the club's stance on Maatsen ?

7 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Question for all the Maatsen advocates ... if we are going to keep an academy graduate left back who is good going forwards, but suspect defensively, would you take Hall or Maatsen ? 

Reason I am asking is that it is not yet a given that Newcastle will retain Hall, given their FFP situation and the rumours that the Hall "obligation to buy" has conditions attached to it that may not be met. If Hall is coming back, maybe that explains the club's stance on Maatsen ?

Probably Hall. Not sure why he hasn't been given minutes at Newcastle. How about you?

Edited January 21, 20242 yr by Gonoir Beniashile

22 minutes ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Probably Hall. Not sure why he hasn't been given minutes at Newcastle. How about you?

Eddie's only public utterance (that I know of) was to the effect that "we need to work on his defence". That he has had so little game time, given their injury issues, suggests Eddie doesn't think he's up to it yet. For that matter, not even in midfield given their issues there too.

With Newcastle's FFP issues, we could well see him back.

15 minutes ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Probably Hall. Not sure why he hasn't been given minutes at Newcastle. How about you?

I would go with Hall myself. He's already shown a much higher level than Maatsen for me. Not sure either is what we actually need though ! At this point, anyway ... 

Hall is probably not doing enough in training to get picked at Newcastle more regularly, so similar story really. Even with Dan Burn out injured, Howe was going with Livramento at LB ahead of Hall. Lewis has started just 3 games (out of 31) and got subbed at HT in two of them, and after 74 minutes in the third. Livramento has had 7 starts at left back, and completed 6 full games. Eddie Howe obviously seeing more from Tino than from Hall, despite it not being his main position, so similarly to Poch going with Colwill ahead of Maatsen really ... 

 

3 hours ago, dkw said:

But he got bullied in that one game he played for us at right wing (which he has never played before) so getting rid of him was right...apparently.

Charlton and Coventry both played him further up the pitch on multiple occasions.

2 hours ago, Malcolm9 said:

Dortmund aren't better than us, even with the current squad refresh. We are a quality striker / attacker or two away from being more potent in attack.

Come back to me when we have that striker/attacker or two that you reference, and are in the champions league.

4 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

Shocked.

A LB is played in position (for a team that is better than us) and is doing well

If he's still keeping his place at LB when Bensebiani returns from the AFCON and Rynerson returns from injury then maybe we can consider if multiple managers plus the Burnley fanbase who watched him over a 46 game season have all called it wrong.

7 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

Come back to me when we have that striker/attacker or two that you reference, and are in the champions league.

Yeah because Dortmund have been so successful over the recent years.......

The club are making moves where we'll likely end up with Osimhen in the summer, as well as having a fully fit Nkunku. Those two players playing regularly will guarantee goals.

Edited January 21, 20242 yr by Malcolm9

38 minutes ago, Malcolm9 said:

Yeah because Dortmund have been so successful over the recent years.......

The club are making moves where we'll likely end up with Osimhen in the summer, as well as having a fully fit Nkunku. Those two players playing regularly will guarantee goals.

Indeedy. Just like Werner and Havertz did.

Ivan Toney. Bring on The Big Dog 

Woof.

13 minutes ago, just said:

Indeedy. Just like Werner and Havertz did.

Ivan Toney. Bring on The Big Dog 

Woof.

I agree Osimhen is a huge risk and probably not one I'm willing to take all things considered.

Nkunku for me, despite Bundi tax, is as close to a guarantee to be a success as it's possible to get. The only question mark towards him is having him fit.

4 minutes ago, Argo said:

I agree Osimhen is a huge risk and probably not one I'm willing to take all things considered.

Nkunku for me, despite Bundi tax, is as close to a guarantee to be a success as it's possible to get. The only question mark towards him is having him fit.

Huge question mark.

And he isn't a an out and out striker. Looks best working off a great central forward.

Like Ivan Toney.

 

On 21/01/2024 at 02:30, Sconnie Blue said:

Not sure how anyone would still want him at LB here after what we’ve seen. Bullied at RW yet people want him to defend against the most physical players in the world. 
 

As far as attack goes, he’s a victim of circumstance. Too many players here already that are heavily invested on. I reckon he’ll be a winger eventually if Dortmund buy him. Bundesliga suits him with their suicidal football. 

 

wingers are more physical than defenders?

21 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

Question for all the Maatsen advocates ... if we are going to keep an academy graduate left back who is good going forwards, but suspect defensively, would you take Hall or Maatsen ? 

Reason I am asking is that it is not yet a given that Newcastle will retain Hall, given their FFP situation and the rumours that the Hall "obligation to buy" has conditions attached to it that may not be met. If Hall is coming back, maybe that explains the club's stance on Maatsen ?

Thought one of the reasons Hall wanted out was because he didn't want to keep picking up shifts at LB

I'm seeing a pattern....

12 hours ago, Malcolm9 said:

Yeah because Dortmund have been so successful over the recent years.......

The club are making moves where we'll likely end up with Osimhen in the summer, as well as having a fully fit Nkunku. Those two players playing regularly will guarantee goals.

We're finishing midtable two years in a row mate...

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

We're finishing midtable two years in a row mate...

And? There are mitigating reasons for that. 

Still plenty to fight for this season, we can finish in the top six and push on for next season.