8 hours ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Not sure I agree with the first two lines, Nagelsmann's style of football is far from possession. He is very much a manager that lives off the "high press" game similar to Klopp's Dortmund and Liverpool. And I've never heard anything about him being a 'nice guy', the man literally trashed another team in a press conference. Every time people criticize Nagelsmann they call him the German Potter and I fail to see any comparisons or evidence.

I suppose in the Bundesliga, Bayern will have 60/70% of the ball average against the farmers. His philosophies are rather abstract at least when you compare him to Enrique, if you take a gander at Bayern forums some weeks they couldn’t tell you what style of football they were playing and that’s how we felt under Potter on match day threads. Ultimately, he’s a tinker-man and that’s where the comparisons come from, Enrique has a plan A and if that isn’t working, it’s then down to in-game management not plan B.  

Let’s forget about personality stuff because we’ll never truly know that, it’s speculation, some reports were even saying he pissed off the dressing room anyway once he started dating the Bild reporter. However, he’s just been sacked in a very public way and the Chelsea dressing room are aware Bayern would rather have our ex Tuchel than give Nagelsmann more time; he’s a wounded animal. 

Apparently, unlike Nagelsmann, Enrique wanted to start right away and has been left disappointed with us that we chose to go with Lamps instead. He may not be an option now 

1 minute ago, axman2526 said:

Apparently, unlike Nagelsmann, Enrique wanted to start right away and has been left disappointed with us that we chose to go with Lamps instead. He may not be an option now 

Has a familiar ring to it. Clowns 

3 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Has a familiar ring to it. Clowns 

Think this extensive process stuff is just a cover for getting Nagelsmann and him not wanting to start till the summer.

7 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Apparently, unlike Nagelsmann, Enrique wanted to start right away and has been left disappointed with us that we chose to go with Lamps instead. He may not be an option now 

Have doubts on this rumor. No way we hear this if we won every game under Lampard. 
 

Someone reputable also said Enrique would rather start in the summer. 

24 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Issue with Enrique is that the team is currently ready made for Nagelsmann. (Wingbacks, attacking mids/CFs, no traditional DMs,). Enrique would likely need a good overhaul to establish the team to his image. Players like Chilwell and Nkunku I struggle to see where they will fit also. 

It's by no means an easy decision which is why I feel a little more comfortable it isn't being rushed. Both have their positives and I will ultimately respect who they bring in after a lot of forethought. 

Another reason why the signing of Nkunku is ridiculous, nothing against the player but it just further highlights how directionless we are, insane decision; just a headache for whoever comes in now. In regards to the decision making process that concerns me is ‘talk is cheap’, our guys are susceptible to being hoodwinked. I’m still bracing myself for the Jorge Mendes sales pitch for that Felix fraud and the subsequent jubilation and hysterics from Atletico Madrid once they realise Boehly and co have fell for it.

2 minutes ago, Term_X said:

Another reason why the signing of Nkunku is ridiculous, nothing against the player but it just further highlights how directionless we are, insane decision; just a headache for whoever comes in now. In regards to the decision making process that concerns me is ‘talk is cheap’, our guys are susceptible to being hoodwinked. I’m still bracing myself for the Jorge Mendes sales pitch for that Felix fraud and the subsequent jubilation and hysterics from Atletico Madrid once they realise Boehly and co have fell for it.

Club still hasn’t announced Nkunku so maybe another Fekir situation. 

Edited April 16, 20233 yr by Sconnie Blue

I want a winner. That’s all. 

 

On 16/04/2023 at 15:42, Sconnie Blue said:

Club still hasn’t announced Nkunku so maybe another Fekir situation. 

Nkunku was done last year 100% Fabrizo has confirmed multiple times. The only logical reason I can think of why it hadn't been announced is to allow him a chance to say goodbye and to focus on this season without constant distractions i.e questions about us

Just now, LongtimerLurker said:

Nkunku was done last year 100% Fabrizo has confirmed multiple times. The only logical reason I can think of why it hadn't been announced is to allow him a chance to say goodbye and to focus on this season without constant distractions i.e questions about us

Then why was Gusto announced?

Enrique for me, even if we don't return to winning ways we perhaps need a 'Sarri type' who can instill an expansive possession-based style of play on the team. Nagelsmann I feel is just the German Graham Potter.

Edited April 17, 20233 yr by the special one

Luis Enriques achievements are somewhat dubious. Your mums could win the league if they had peak Messi, peak Neymar and peak Suarez at their disposal.

5 minutes ago, SwedishEntity said:

Luis Enriques achievements are somewhat dubious. Your mums could win the league if they had peak Messi, peak Neymar and peak Suarez at their disposal.

And yet Johan Cryuff deemed it impossible for those three to effectively work together. Particularly when Enrique decided to remove Messi from his false 9 role. 

2 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

And yet Johan Cryuff deemed it impossible for those three to effectively work together. Particularly when Enrique decided to remove Messi from his false 9 role. 

Johan was not always right, just more often than everyone else.

It could have been a bit of a mess, like the rarely convincing Messi/Neymar/Mbappe trio in PSG, but ultimately Luis Suarez lack of primadonna traits made it work for Barca.

32 minutes ago, SwedishEntity said:

Luis Enriques achievements are somewhat dubious. Your mums could win the league if they had peak Messi, peak Neymar and peak Suarez at their disposal.

I thought Pirlo f**king up the Juve job would have stopped this type of nonsense.

7 minutes ago, Argo said:

I thought Pirlo f**king up the Juve job would have stopped this type of nonsense.

Allegri has also f*cked up the Juve job. Yes they lost Ronaldo but they spend 90m on Vlahovic and Locatelli and they haven't been anywhere near the title these past two seasons, even if you account for the points deduction they'd be 3rd below Sarri's Lazio

30 minutes ago, SwedishEntity said:

Johan was not always right, just more often than everyone else.

It could have been a bit of a mess, like the rarely convincing Messi/Neymar/Mbappe trio in PSG, but ultimately Luis Suarez lack of primadonna traits made it work for Barca.

Neymar and Messi are far past their prime at this point, they arguably were better before Messi came (though Tuchel had left as well)

Enrique 

One thing is very clear, Mudryk is as good as dead if we appoint Nagelsmann, who will not play him as a touchline winger.

Nagelsmann will never escape the Potter comparisons because fundamentally their idea is to play different systems and tweak with things, you can do that in Bundesliga due to the lack of technical quality of the opposition; it won’t translate well in the Premier League. Here, the best teams need reliable and set tactics, which is what Enrique offers and his successful experience dealing with egos. Starting to worry our new sporting directors are just trying to get together with their mate from RedBull rather than what is best for Chelsea, thought the nepotism would end with Frank but maybe not.

It cannot be overstated that in the summer there will be a big shake up and outside of the tactical aspect.. you want someone ‘above’ it all; experienced with seasoned ideas and a clear system. Not another ‘project’ manager in a do or die season for UCL football, or a 35 year old kid sliding through on a hoverboard fresh out the Bundesliga womb for the first time. 

 

 

 

 

42 minutes ago, Term_X said:

One thing is very clear, Mudryk is as good as dead if we appoint Nagelsmann, who will not play him as a touchline winger.

Nagelsmann will never escape the Potter comparisons because fundamentally their idea is to play different systems and tweak with things, you can do that in Bundesliga due to the lack of technical quality of the opposition; it won’t translate well in the Premier League. Here, the best teams need reliable and set tactics, which is what Enrique offers and his successful experience dealing with egos. Starting to worry our new sporting directors are just trying to get together with their mate from RedBull rather than what is best for Chelsea, thought the nepotism would end with Frank but maybe not.

It cannot be overstated that in the summer there will be a big shake up and outside of the tactical aspect.. you want someone ‘above’ it all; experienced with seasoned ideas and a clear system. Not another ‘project’ manager in a do or die season for UCL football, or a 35 year old kid sliding through on a hoverboard fresh out the Bundesliga womb for the first time. 

 

 

 

 

Didn’t Dani Olmo do well under Nagelsmann? 

5 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Didn’t Dani Olmo do well under Nagelsmann? 

I understand he was used in numerous roles under Naglesmann (as typical with him) like as a number 10, happy for any RB enthusiasts to enlighten us further on that though.

Mudryk is a touchline winger, he needs to hang wide.

23 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Then why was Gusto announced?

Different deal mate, we wanted him immediately they wouldn't oblige. It was then decided we would buy and loan him back. Don't worry it's done, I'm sure we will have an explanation soon enough. Notice he hasn't been linked with anyone else literally no one. He's a blue, the priority is now to pair him (a world class attacker) with a top striker and essentially have that as our attack (board's plan)

17 hours ago, Term_X said:

One thing is very clear, Mudryk is as good as dead if we appoint Nagelsmann, who will not play him as a touchline winger.

Nagelsmann will never escape the Potter comparisons because fundamentally their idea is to play different systems and tweak with things, you can do that in Bundesliga due to the lack of technical quality of the opposition; it won’t translate well in the Premier League. Here, the best teams need reliable and set tactics, which is what Enrique offers and his successful experience dealing with egos. Starting to worry our new sporting directors are just trying to get together with their mate from RedBull rather than what is best for Chelsea, thought the nepotism would end with Frank but maybe not.

It cannot be overstated that in the summer there will be a big shake up and outside of the tactical aspect.. you want someone ‘above’ it all; experienced with seasoned ideas and a clear system. Not another ‘project’ manager in a do or die season for UCL football, or a 35 year old kid sliding through on a hoverboard fresh out the Bundesliga womb for the first time. 

 

 

 

 

Guardiola is currently playing a 3-2-4-1 with City if I'm not mistaken, he innovates constantly. Just because Potter was poor that doesn't mean every flexible manager is bad. And just because some system managers are good that doesn't mean every system manager is good.

 

My first choice would be De Zerbi given how he's gotten a fairly mediocre squad scoring for fun whilst playing incredible football, but Nagelsmann wouldn't be far behind.

 

The only huge risk for me would be Enrique, as he hasn't proven he can succeed without an elite set of players (which we don't have). 

19 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

Different deal mate, we wanted him immediately they wouldn't oblige. It was then decided we would buy and loan him back. Don't worry it's done, I'm sure we will have an explanation soon enough. Notice he hasn't been linked with anyone else literally no one. He's a blue, the priority is now to pair him (a world class attacker) with a top striker and essentially have that as our attack (board's plan)

Then that is bad news for Enrique as he doesn't play that way. 

Be it Nagelsmann or Enrique, certain investments are going to be phased out. Horrible, horrible planning yet again.