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Mourinho's Mistakes


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Well hello everybody, long time no speak, what's the matter don't you love me anymore .. ?

 

Glad to have Jose back but I was a little disappointed in his performance last season.

 

Our best performance was City away, an absolute masterclass, when they were stuffing everyone in sight. We made them doubt themselves but we couldn't capitalise, sadly.

 

The best moment of the season? Anfield, without a shadow of a doubt. The dippers only needed a draw, stupid c**ts. They just got over-emotional, poor souls, and Jose judged the mood perfectly.

 

Liverpool at home, first-half, electric, I liked it, I liked it very much. Just a pity we didn't see more of it in my view. That was the Jose template, right there. Fast, ruthless, cut-throat football. Devastating.

 

The stuffings of Arsenal and Spurs at home? We pressed them high, we capitalised on their mistakes, but I don't think those wins were as convincing as the scorelines suggest.

 

Our CL campaign? We had a piss easy group, obviously PSG at home was a highlight but we didn't really face a top team till Ateltico, and let's face it, they were much better than us, though we were unlucky with injuries and suspensions.

 

Another highlight for me was the signing of Matic. Let's not mess about, whoever decided to sell him for a pittance deserves to be shot but that's not Jose's doing. He sorted out a major weakness in the side overnight. Here we saw the brilliance of Jose, his decisiveness his ruthlessness. He didn't piss about, like some other managers in the window. This ruthlessness was there for all to see throughout the season and it stood us in good stead, on occasion, like the time he subbed Mata and Schurrle five minutes into the second-half of an away game (I forget which), brought on Willian and Oscar and the points were ours. How many other managers would make that call .. ? Not many, in case you're struggling to answer that.

 

Mourinho's mistakes? Plentiful, IMO, and in no particular order ..

 

1. Loaning Moses to Bottlepool. We must never loan Rodgers another Chelsea player again. Remember, he didn't play Josh either, when he had him at Swansea. Now, regardless of the fact Moses didn't play, Jose would never have loaned him to Bottlepool if he felt they were a direct rival, so he was guilty of underestimating them, as we all were.

 

2. Specialist in Failure. It was uncouth, to say the least. Not for the first time, Jose was rattled, and he let his anger get the better of him. If you watch the press conference, Jose suddenly flared up, when made aware of Wenger's comments, and he let his emotions get the better of him, which may be perceived as a sign of weakness. Let's get this right, Wenger hadn't said anything untoward. Jose had been talking about Arsenal all season, and City for that matter, telling everyone that would listen that they were the bigger horses, that they had more pressure, that Wenger had been building his side for umpteen years etc etc.  Wenger gave a tiny bit back and Jose didn't like it but if anyone had started the bitching it was Jose and I was never too comfortable with his comments. Ill-timed too, given the fact they finally won a trophy and we won zilch. There's no other way of painting it for me. Epic fail.

 

3. Mata. Don't tell me we wouldn't have beaten all those sh*t sides with Mata in the team. Huffing and puffing is all very well but a bit of guile wouldn't go amiss, hey Jose? One free-kick, that's all it takes, one defence-splitting pass etc etc.  I understand Mata didn't fit in with his philosophy and I understand we may not have got as good results elsewhere, but, had we had Mata in the squad we probably would have finished first. We relied on Hazard way too much and Hazard suffered as a consequence in my view. Mata was the creative hub of the team, with goals and assists galore, and you take that away at your peril. Sure, long-term I've no doubt Jose is right, but the time to sell him was this summer and there would have been no shortage of suitors. Mata was needed at various times and we weren't quite ready to do without him, particularly with the paucity of our attack ..

 

4. Lukaku. Our best striker. A teenager. His stats are ridiculous and so was the decision to loan him.

 

5. Torres. Jose Jose Jose. What the f**k were you thinking of? There's a thread on these boards. All you had to do was read it.

 

6. Azpilicueta in midfield in a CL semi-final second leg? Way too cautious and way too experimental. We had Schurrle on the bench.

 

7. Questioning Eto'o's age. Not your finest moment, Jose. Eto'o may well be 172 (I suspect he is) but don't say it Jose, please don't say it, and if you do, don't get caught. Sure, he redeemed himself by massaging Eto'o's ego afterwards but even so it was unprofessional and it didn't cast him in a good light. Trust is all-important between manager and players and I dare say Jose was furious it was leaked but he should never have put himself in that position. Those of you that choose to believe it was all a deliberate ploy by Jose are clearly deluded in my view.

 

8. He got way too angry over Dean. He needed to control his emotions. We were all angry but the way Jose conducted his post-match interviews will harm us, IMO. There is a way of saying what you want to say, and it's all about the desired consequence. IMO referees will revel even more in giving poor decisions against us, because Jose came across as the wrongdoer rather than Dean (and Foy for that matter). Not one media outlet mentioned Dean's links to Liverpool nor the catalogue of poor decisions, they all focused on Jose's (and his assistant's) behaviour. Well, Jose gave them that opportunity. Get the necessary information across and do it in a more controlled manner, would be my advice. He came across as Neil Warnock, and it never worked for Neil, everyone just enjoyed seeing him get irate even more.

 

Now now now, I know this post will be a bit contentious, but as I've said, I'm glad Jose's back, and he got a lot right, but this thread is called Mourinho's Mistakes, and as such I've decided to highlight Mourinho's mistakes. Feel free to add some more or tell me I'm talking tosh.

 

The stage is yours ..

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Pretty much agree with all of that Dave.

The mistakes are clear cut and easy for everyone to see.

I still don't understand why we didn't sort out the striker situation sooner (we still haven't remember) while loaning a goalscorer in Lukaku knowing we were short on goals was a terrible decision.

Selling Mata is one that really gets to me, I tried at the time to justify it but it was a horrible decision...it really was. Look what he did the last two seasons...we were screaming for that in most of our home games but Oscar couldn't rise to what Mata could do and it hurt us and our title chances big time.

Jose has a job on his hands next season because if it's a repeat of this season Roman will not think twice before he sends him the P45.

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1. I tend to agree never again should we do Liverp**l any favours.

 

2. Disagree, Wenger called it on he does it a lot then hides behind his professorial demeanour. The little horses comment was an answer to the press who asked if we were front runners, I think it was taken out of context and overused, even Mourinho became bored with it. As I said on another thread one FA cup in nine years would constitute a failure for a Chelsea manager.

 

3. Still not quite sure how I feel about Mata being sold, I guess we'll find out next season when ManU have a decent manager.

 

4, 5 and 6 Agree.

 

7. It was a joke, maybe ill advised but Eto made way to much of it. imo

 

8. Totally disagree, we have been sh*t on by refs for far to long, some of our calmest most uncontroversial Managers have suffered bafflingly bad decisions, I'm glad Mourinho spoke out.

I do accept that many other fans don't have the stomach for it, but I love it. Ultimately I don't think there is a conspiracy against us, and bad decisions will happen again in the future, but why should the refs get away scot free? The press don't concentrate too much on refs mistakes against us anyway, and they never have.

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We are allowed to say we 100% would have won certain games with Mata

 

We will ignore whenever someone points out that we wouldn't have, and haven't in the past.

 

Even this season there were games where he wasn't helping.

 

There is my controversial post of the day.

 

37 million pounds and we signed everyone's favourite Matic.

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How can you question loaning out Agent Moses? He basically ended their title dreams by missing a sitter against Crystal Palace :laugh2:

 

To be fair I sorta agreed, we shouldnt do them any favors, but I dont think Rodgers refused to play him because he cam from us. Moses was just so unbelievably dire this year that it was hard to justify him getting to many minutes.

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Is funny how our best players this year have been mata, lukaku, courtious, t. Hazard, ba probably Moses too, the best players are ALWAYS the ones who don't get enough time, sold or loaned. Ashley Cole and JT are gonna be England's best players at the World Cup.

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We are allowed to say we 100% would have won certain games with Mata

We will ignore whenever someone points out that we wouldn't have, and haven't in the past.

Even this season there were games where he wasn't helping.

There is my controversial post of the day.

37 million pounds and we signed everyone's favourite Matic.

Games against Palace, West Ham, Sunderland ect we were crying out for some creativity...Oscar couldn't provide it and we struggled to break them down.

Mata scores and assists as he has proved 2 years on the trott here while now doing it at a struggling United outfit.

I can't see how he couldn't have made a difference in some of our games, so many of them screamed for his type of play to open up defensive outfits.

We got Matic yes but as easily we could have got him from the KDB money and a little more so it wasn't like we had to sell Mata to make that happen as we have many disposible players on our fringes.

I think we must be one of the only top clubs to sell their best player who for the past 2 years running was the POTY.

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There are tons of examples of games where we failed to break a team down with Mata still in the side.

 

But we are allowed to ignore all of them and claim he equals a win against them. 

 

Just ask United about that. Fulham, Southampton to name but two.

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There are tons of examples of games where we failed to break a team down with Mata still in the side.

And tons of examples when Mata was the difference oppening teams up.

He was our player of the year 2 years running and when you take that out any side they are going to miss them.

Selling Mata was a mistake.

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Ultimately Mourinho just didn't fancy him, he clearly wasn't going to play him, and selfishly keeping him to use as a luxury player would have been unfair on Mata, a player who came across as a likeable and decent sort.

 

I hate the fact that Manure got him though, and wish a club from a foreign league had come in for him, but obviously no one at Barca, Bayern, Real or PSG wanted him either...

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You're right to criticize him, but hindsight is always great. As long as he puts things right this coming season he will have achieved in my eyes. By that I mean, prior to him coming back I would have taken him and mediocrity, I just wanted FSW out of our club. Now we were close to a big couple of prizes but unless you win you're nothing in the records. Selling Mata was a hard pill to swallow, and yes he could have made a difference but we will never know for sure, the same applies to Lukaku.

 

I hope he gets his men over the next few months to make us what I believe will be an immense side. If he does, we will win the league.

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Good points but winning at Liverpool was only for sad laughs. We had no shot for the title so it was only to laugh at them basically and I'm not too into that...

Winning our biggest opponents were all great achievments.

I think the home leg against Atletico was Jose's biggest failure. Formation all too negative. He was truly and well beaten in his own game.

Losing to smaller sides was also a very notable failure in our season. Jose's failures as he is in charge. He needed to inject the ruthlessness in players in those games. You cant hide behind the lack of strikers.

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Main mistake for me was believing Rooney was actually going to sign for us, Jose should of known he was only after a better contract. He was clearly the player Jose wanted and he let all the other decent options go. I'm glad we didn't sign him, but the mess with our striking situation hinged on him and it cost us.

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1. Loaning Moses - The only harm that did was to Moses' price tag when we come to sell him this summer. It could have worked out but didnt. But over all i am glad we loaned him because he missed that open net against Palace and pretty much cost Liverpool the title.

2. Specialist in Failure - It was Jose being Jose. Sticking the bait out and letting Wenger bite. It did nothing to effect our season.

3. Mata - I will tell you that in my opinon Mata wouldnt have mattered. We were losing to lower teams the last two seasons and Mata was here. So why wouldnt we have the second half of this season? As i have said before Mata isnt Messi or Ronaldo. He is good and very likeable guy but he isnt Messi good! It was good business, we sold him for more than he is worth to a team we had played twice already, he couldnt play in the CL if we had met United. The sale of him and KDB afforded us Matic and Salah. Matic arriving for me was a turning point in our season.

4. Lukaku - He asked to leave. Jose wanted him to stay and be part of the team. He wanted out. You cant blame Jose for that.

5. Torres - I agree, from a fans point of view Torres shouldnt be anywhere near the team but due to lack of squad depth there were games he had to play. And to be fair to Torres this season was probably the best he has played for us over the course of a season.

6. Azpilicueta in midfield in a CL semi-final - Did you question Robbie playing Ryan in midfield against Bayern in the final? Sometimes these things are needed.

7. Questioning Eto'o's age - this was done off the record.

It should have never been published. Eto'o seemed to take it well and even made a joke of it with his celebration.

8. He got way too angry over Dean- Who wasnt pissed off over this? It was a complete joke. When you look at how Liverpool got treated by the refs this season we have every right to be angry and as Jose feels part of the club he feels the same way we do. The problem is we can scream and shout as much as we like but Jose has to be careful or he gets a 10k fine. I for one am glad to have a manager who actually cares. Someone who loves the club and it hurts him when we lose.

Over all i am pleased we have Jose back and yes there may have been one or two bad results or he may have said something he should have but i would have wanted any other manager in charge of our club.

Also one last thing before you complain about Jose remember we could have had Rafa in charge.

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These are some of mine

  •  Not trying Oscar in a deeper midfield position
  •  Selling Mata
  •  Not enough creativity - shown against the smaller sides
  •  Maybe kept Bertrand or played Cole more so Azpi could go to RB and played Ivan at CB - would have made us more balanced and would have helped in creativity.
  •  Could of used KDB a bit more
  •  Ath Madrid home - why play Azpi RW instead of Schurrle?
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With regards to the striker issue, there is a lot of comments suggesting we should have got a striker earlier in the summer window but who exactly were we supposed to go for, its all very well talking about the need of a striker but if there isn't one out there we can get our hands on. We got beat to the big names by the French clubs. After that it was all in for rooney.

 

the biggest mistake for me was Mata, simply because I do think he is an amazing player, but maybe the club knew something we didn't. How close were we to being in City's position regarding FFP?

 

The specialist in failure... a mistake, are you having a giggle DB? how good was it to hear the fans singing it as we went through the gears in the thrashing of gooners.

 

 

Mistakes will always be made. Jose's challenge now is simple get this team consistently smashing the sh*t out of the teams they should be!

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With regards to the striker issue, there is a lot of comments suggesting we should have got a striker earlier in the summer window but who exactly were we supposed to go for, its all very well talking about the need of a striker but if there isn't one out there we can get our hands on. We got beat to the big names by the French clubs. After that it was all in for rooney.

 

the biggest mistake for me was Mata, simply because I do think he is an amazing player, but maybe the club knew something we didn't. How close were we to being in City's position regarding FFP?

 

The specialist in failure... a mistake, are you having a giggle DB? how good was it to hear the fans singing it as we went through the gears in the thrashing of gooners.

 

 

Mistakes will always be made. Jose's challenge now is simple get this team consistently smashing the sh*t out of the teams they should be!

 

If we were that bad we wouldn't of signed Matic,Salah and Zouma.

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If we were that bad we wouldn't of signed Matic,Salah and Zouma.

Yeah I don't see how we could have been in such a bad position.

I mean we bought them all in for around £44-45 million in total and sold Mata and KDB for just over £50 million...

I can't see £5 odd million crippling us in terms of FFP.

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We got beat to the big names by the French clubs. After that it was all in for rooney.

I think it's the other way round, we didn't really try for the big names because we always had Rooney as our main target, I'm sure if we really wanted to we could of got either one of Falco or Cavani.

Plenty of other strikers we could of gone in for too, David Villa, Bony, Benzema, Suarez, Costa, Lewandowski, Higuian. If we really pushed we would of got one or two of these options, not saying they're great but there are other options.

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I think it's the other way round, we didn't really try for the big names because we always had Rooney as our main target, I'm sure if we really wanted to we could of got either one of Falco or Cavani.

Plenty of other strikers we could of gone in for too, David Villa, Bony, Benzema, Suarez, Costa, Lewandowski, Higuian. If we really pushed we would of got one or two of these options, not saying they're great but there are other options.

 

Higuain is the only real option there and Mourinho worked with him at Madrid so he obviously wasn't sure about him. Liverpool wouldn't of sold Suarez to us, Lewandowski had his heart set on Bayern, Villa too old, Bony no one was sure about hence he ended up at Swansea. Benzema Madrid wouldn't of sold, and Costa wasn't really an option until the season he has just had.

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Biggest mistake was putting all the eggs in the Rooney-basket last summer. Should have made sure we had a number of top class striker targets lined up so we weren't solely dependendt on if we could get Rooney or not(which was always unlikely). We would have won the title this season with a proper striker.

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Good to have you back Davey - where the f**k have you been at the business end of the season?

 

Can't say I disagree with any of your points either. It's good to see that you too have learnt from your mistakes whilst you've been away!!

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