Clubs have taken on convicted murders, men guilty of domestic violence and more.

 

 

And they are perfectly entitled to, but in my opinion shouldn't.

 

Evans has served his time and has every right to resume his career following his release.

 

 

Absolutely agree. He has every right to, but I really don't think a single club should actually employ him. 

 

But just because you are an exceptional athlete why should you be expected to be an exceptional person too?

 

 

I don't think you have to be an 'exceptional person' to not rape someone. There are many perfectly unexceptional, ordinary men who go their whole lives without raping someone.

 

 

In an idealistic world these young men all being paid obscene amounts of wealth for kicking a ball around once every few days for our entertainment would be using their spare time and wealth to help the sick, needy and underprivileged but the truth is like most men in their early twenties they're a bit more short sighted than that and who am I to judge, I was exactly the same come pay day... Though my income was a bit more modest.

 

 

Good point. In an ideal world footballers wouldn't rape vulnerable women.

 

But the world isn't ideal is it so I suppose we just have to expect that footballers will rape people and we shouldn't judge them. 

 

Point being I think too much is expected of footballers regarding the role model argument and I think Evans has the opportunity to be a role model in the sense that going to prison doesn't have to be the end, he can be a role model to young men like himself who have done idiotic things but don't want it to define them and they want to go back to or start earning an honest living.

 

He has that opportunity like every person who comes out of jail. He is not precluded from being employed in any industry as far as I know but the simple fact is that employers do have to take account of a person's character and how their past actions impact on the image of the company.

 

Football clubs don't exist without their supporters and are massively reliant on the way they are perceived by the general public. It's not the same as a plumber returning to his occupation after a jail term because most people wouldn't have a clue of his past. Footballers are different.

 

You use words like 'exceptional' and phrases like 'role model'.....he's a convicted rapist. He was found guilty in a court of law. We aren't criticising a guy for not spending enough time going round kids' wards or being a bit of a prick to people in public. He's not Balotelli letting off fireworks in his house, he sexually assaulted a vulnerable woman and whilst I absolutely believe that once you have served your time you should be free to resume a career, I don't for a minute want my club or any other club to actually hire a convicted rapist to represent them.

 

And any club thinking of doing so should be ostracised, hounded and shamed for even considering it.

 

 

Nothing personal mate. It's just I feel very strongly that when football has the chance to do something right and set a decent example then it should do.

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Clubs have taken on convicted murders, men guilty of domestic violence and more.

Evans has served his time and has every right to resume his career following his release.

A politician who you would have thought would be a spokesman for reform, in my opinion, shouldn't be looking to impose further punishment on someone because he thinks it looks bad.

Convicted murderers ! not sure about that F.C.. There's plenty of footballers making a killing mind you

And they are perfectly entitled to, but in my opinion shouldn't.

 

 

Absolutely agree. He has every right to, but I really don't think a single club should actually employ him. 

 

 

I don't think you have to be an 'exceptional person' to not rape someone. There are many perfectly unexceptional, ordinary men who go their whole lives without raping someone.

 

 

 

Good point. In an ideal world footballers wouldn't rape vulnerable women.

 

But the world isn't ideal is it so I suppose we just have to expect that footballers will rape people and we shouldn't judge them. 

 

 

He has that opportunity like every person who comes out of jail. He is not precluded from being employed in any industry as far as I know but the simple fact is that employers do have to take account of a person's character and how their past actions impact on the image of the company.

 

Football clubs don't exist without their supporters and are massively reliant on the way they are perceived by the general public. It's not the same as a plumber returning to his occupation after a jail term because most people wouldn't have a clue of his past. Footballers are different.

 

You use words like 'exceptional' and phrases like 'role model'.....he's a convicted rapist. He was found guilty in a court of law. We aren't criticising a guy for not spending enough time going round kids' wards or being a bit of a prick to people in public. He's not Balotelli letting off fireworks in his house, he sexually assaulted a vulnerable woman and whilst I absolutely believe that once you have served your time you should be free to resume a career, I don't for a minute want my club or any other club to actually hire a convicted rapist to represent them.

 

And any club thinking of doing so should be ostracised, hounded and shamed for even considering it.

 

 

Nothing personal mate. It's just I feel very strongly that when football has the chance to do something right and set a decent example then it should do.

 

You seem to be confusing my generalizing about the idea that footballers should be role models, I was in that instances not speaking specifically about Evans and so, if I am honest, I don't really appreciate your sensationalizing some of my opinions with comments such as " I don't think you have to be an 'exceptional person' to not rape someone." because frankly I don't like it be portrayed that is an opinion that I hold. 

 

With regards to Evans, I've spoken previously in this thread that I think that his case in particular highlights grey areas within the law and there are certain things about his conviction that don't quite add up and I believe that he and his legal team are looking to build a case for his conviction to be overturned posthumously, were he to be successful then he's no longer a guilty man... Very big ifs and buts I know but worth keeping in mind I think.

 

This is obviously a very sensitive subject but I like to think that the Shed End is a mature enough forum to able to discuss this without causing too much offense.

 

If people don't feel comfortable with this being discussed I am happy to leave it be.  

Convicted murderers ! not sure about that F.C.. There's plenty of footballers making a killing mind you

 

I was referring to Lee Hughes with that comment, he was convicted of "death by dangerous driving", apologies if "murderer" was the wrong turn of phrase but somebody died due to his negligence and he was allowed to resume his playing career. 

Martin Odegaard, Martin Odegaard, Martin Odegaard, Every football page,site, facebook article and twitter account I seem to see is talking about this guy. Has anyone seen him play for his club side or Norway? Is this guy all hype or has he actually got the talent? Some people say he's the next Messi, Some say he has David Silva's technique, A lot of compliments for such a young guy, I'm not going to go on youtube and search for him because those youtube videos are so well assembled that they could present a case for Niklas Bendtner being a good footballer.

You seem to be confusing my generalizing about the idea that footballers should be role models, I was in that instances not speaking specifically about Evans and so, if I am honest, I don't really appreciate your sensationalizing some of my opinions with comments such as " I don't think you have to be an 'exceptional person' to not rape someone." because frankly I don't like it be portrayed that is an opinion that I hold. 

 

With regards to Evans, I've spoken previously in this thread that I think that his case in particular highlights grey areas within the law and there are certain things about his conviction that don't quite add up and I believe that he and his legal team are looking to build a case for his conviction to be overturned posthumously, were he to be successful then he's no longer a guilty man... Very big ifs and buts I know but worth keeping in mind I think.

 

 

So now we're questioning the conviction? An appeal was rejected in 2012. It's due to be looked at by the CCRC.

 

Like I've said, he has every right to resume his life having served his time but football is not like most other industries. He's in the public eye, ergo he's subject to public opinion as is his employer. How any club thinks that hiring a convicted rapist is a good move is beyond me because they will be (and should be) criticised, ostracised and shamed at every turn.

Tyson was allowed to resume his career in another very dubious 'rape' case.

If you are not allowed to continue in your trade when a sentence is served then why let them out prison in the first place?

This isn't a monster who was lurking the streets to pounce on a passer by, if you actually read about this case there's more holes in it than a watering can.

Tyson was allowed to resume his career in another very dubious 'rape' case.

If you are not allowed to continue in your trade when a sentence is served then why let them out prison in the first place?

This isn't a monster who was lurking the streets to pounce on a passer by, if you actually read about this case there's more holes in it than a watering can.

 

Tyson wasn't representing a club though. He was competing in an individual sport.

 

I don't think anyone is saying that Evans shouldn't be allowed to work in whatever field he wants, simply that no club should employ him. These clubs represent supporters, cities, families and that includes women.

It is odd that footballers seem to arrived at a point where it is the only 'job' they believe they can ever do. You hear it all the time with the 'it's only a short career' thing when justifying their insane wages. It's as if as soon as they hang up their boots that they couldn't possibly become a lawyer, landscape gardener or a pub landlord. If I lost my current job for whatever reason, I pretty much expect that I'd end up doing something else next.

Tyson wasn't representing a club though. He was competing in an individual sport.

I don't think anyone is saying that Evans shouldn't be allowed to work in whatever field he wants, simply that no club should employ him. These clubs represent supporters, cities, families and that includes women.

Boxing represents all those things too.

Just because an individual sport does not mean it doesnt have all of the above you have mentioned. It's a worldwide sport with sponoshorhips, fans, promotors you name it.

He should be able to play football once his time has been served, if he was a danger to the public ect he would not have been released.

The PFA or whoever it was gave it the green light.

It is odd that footballers seem to arrived at a point where it is the only 'job' they believe they can ever do. You hear it all the time with the 'it's only a short career' thing when justifying their insane wages. It's as if as soon as they hang up their boots that they couldn't possibly become a lawyer, landscape gardener or a pub landlord. If I lost my current job for whatever reason, I pretty much expect that I'd end up doing something else next.

Football pays considerably well, he'd be stupid to not try and get back to be fair.

Boxing represents all those things too.

Just because an individual sport does not mean it doesnt have all of the above you have mentioned. It's a worldwide sport with sponoshorhips, fans, promotors you name it.

He should be able to play football once his time has been served, if he was a danger to the public ect he would not have been released.

The PFA or whoever it was gave it the green light.

Exactly. He will not have been released or should not have been released so soon if he is still a danger to society. Assuming now that he isn't a danger, everyone deserves a second chance with no prejudice. Except in the most extreme circumstances. I think it reflects very well on a company/football club if they are willing to give a person who has committed a mistake (for which he has paid his dues) a second chance.

Football pays considerably well, he'd be stupid to not try and get back to be fair.

 

For sure. And in a small way, he's quite brave too as I'm not sure I could put up with having hundreds of people chanting "sex case, sex case, hang him, hang him, hang him" at me every time I went to work. But then again, for 30k a week maybe I could too...

Definitely !

Boxing represents all those things too.

Just because an individual sport does not mean it doesnt have all of the above you have mentioned. It's a worldwide sport with sponoshorhips, fans, promotors you name it.

He should be able to play football once his time has been served, if he was a danger to the public ect he would not have been released.

The PFA or whoever it was gave it the green light.

 

Supporting a club is far different from supporting individuals. Supporters of Sheffield United have been there since before Ched Evans was born. Were there people cheering on Papa Tyson's spunk? Were there fans turning up to his nutsack week-in and week-out in anticipation of his birth?

 

I agree that he should be allowed to play football. I've said that consistently. I just don't think a single club should employ him.

Supporting a club is far different from supporting individuals. Supporters of Sheffield United have been there since before Ched Evans was born. Were there people cheering on Papa Tyson's spunk? Were there fans turning up to his nutsack week-in and week-out in anticipation of his birth?

 

I agree that he should be allowed to play football. I've said that consistently. I just don't think a single club should employ him.

 

Why even allow him to play football then? So that the feeling of helplessness is more overwhelming?

Abou Diaby has been ruled out for 3 months after suffering another serious hamstring injury, and in other news it's cloudy outside.

Why even allow him to play football then? So that the feeling of helplessness is more overwhelming?

 

Because he should have the right to play football. He's served his time, he's free to do as he wishes (per the terms of his release).

 

I'm simply saying that fans of football should make it very clear that they don't want their clubs represented by convicted rapists. If Chelsea were in a position where Evans was an option who could make us better then would anyone here feel comfortable supporting him? Football has moved out of the dark ages.

I just want to pick up on one point here, there's been a lot of mention about the individual details of this case and they've been used by some as reasons as to why it should be okay for a club to take Evans on.  I agree that the case looks very shady but if we're not going to rely on the courts and the jury to make the right decision then who are we going to rely on.  This sort of thing for me has to be fairly black and white ("fairly black and white".....there's a contradiction!) in that as an individual you either think that it's fine for your club to employ a convicted rapist or it's not.

For me it's not, the problem then comes when the verdict is overturned after his career would have finished but I guess the compensation he'd get would ease the pain of not playing to some degree.

I do wonder if Sheff Utd are letting him train with them in the hope that he gets the decision overturned and then is in a reasonable state of fitness to rejoin them without anyone complaining.

Abou Diaby has been ruled out for 3 months after suffering another serious hamstring injury, and in other news it's cloudy outside.

How? He hasn't even been playing

Ozil out till January

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/9562604/arsenals-mesut-ozil-out-of-action-until-january

Out for a further 7 weeks. Seriously, what are those Arsenal physios on?!

Ozil out till January

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/9562604/arsenals-mesut-ozil-out-of-action-until-january

Out for a further 7 weeks. Seriously, what are those Arsenal physios on?!

There was an interview with the runner, Michael Johnson on the Today programme on Radio 4 earlier in the week. He spends a lot of time in the U.K. and helps Arsenal players with their training. Does he get them to run the 200 metres in 20 seconds?  Perhaps he's a Chelsea fan trying to sabotage the opposition.

Bobby, Rumour has it he pulled it when he got up to change the channel Lol Joking aside, If my memory serves me right, Didn't Wenger say the reason he didn't purchase a defensive midfielder in the summer was because Diaby was on the road to recovery?

Bobby, Rumour has it he pulled it when he got up to change the channel Lol Joking aside, If my memory serves me right, Didn't Wenger say the reason he didn't purchase a defensive midfielder in the summer was because Diaby was on the road to recovery?

Haha, tell you there's something seriously wrong in that club

Bobby, Rumour has it he pulled it when he got up to change the channel Lol Joking aside, If my memory serves me right, Didn't Wenger say the reason he didn't purchase a defensive midfielder in the summer was because Diaby was on the road to recovery?

This was hilarious!