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This is not a thread about the manager. This is purely at the door step of the players. 

 

There was ZERO desire out there tonight. For me Willian was up and down and giving it his all to the point that by the end of the game he looked out on his feet.

 

Fabregas - Shocking, all season actually, I've never really felt an affinity for him and for me, when on form very good player. but its laugbale to think that people would compare him to a player like lampard i'm quite ok to move him on, wont loose to much sleep over it.

 

Ivan - Great servant but he is done, always out of position, being embarrassed week in week out. I appreciate that he offers us a threat from set pieces but its not worth what we are giving up

 

Matic - WTF, but really WTF. he is shocking all of a sudden. Right now he would struggle to sit on the bench for any team in the league. 

 

Hazard - Looks like a post sholdure Duff at the moment, less then half the player he was last season. 

 

 

4 huge players that last season contributed hugly to our league success last season and barley even breaking a sweat for the cause today. 

 

Jose can be a loyal guy, he clearly feels he wants these players to try and play them selves back in to form but they are letting him down game and game again.

 

I expect every single player to be running to within an inch of their life this weekend!! 

 

Fuming after tonight. being beaten is one thing. Not putting any effort in and insulting the traveling fans is quite another

The players are at fault, how many times can we blame a manager at this club.

Firstly get JOHN TERRY back in that defence, we clearly lack his organisation. It's embarrassing how poor we are defensively at the moment.

Drop IVANOVIC he's a liability, had he not played the start of this season I don't think we'd have lost as many games as we have. APZILICUETTA should be first choice RB and RAHMAN should have some time to try and cement the LB position.

MATIC needs a more solid partner and tbh what I've seen I actually think LOFTUS CHEEK is the best option at the moment. MATIC himself has looked poor though so maybe dropping him for another game wil give him a kick up the arse.

FABREGAS needs to be benched.

I'd actually bench HAZARD again for the next match, he needs a kick up the arse.

Team for the next game for me

Begovic

Apzi

Zouma

Terry

Rahman

Matic

RLC

Willian

Oscar

Remy

Pedro

How many games has Ivan been terrible for this season? Bring in baba and give him the same amount of games to earn himself a spot in the line up. Can't do any worse than Ivan surely?!

We miss JT's organisation & leadership. Whether he's partnered by Cahill or Zouma i'm not really bothered at the moment. 

We have serious problems, the team isn't playing anymore. In my opinion, we have two biggest problems: FABREGAS and IVANOVIC. 

 

Fabregas - pedestrian crossing, he can't win any ball, today against Porto, Imbula just showed him how to play. Last season Fabregas was amazing, we all could see that by his assists, work, help to the defence. But this season things are different, he is a different player who MUST RECEIVE A SLAP from JOSE. We have our small Pogba, named RUBEN LOFTUS-CHEEK, who just need a chance to play few games and give Jose a reason to trust him, he can't be worse than Fabregas.

 

Ivanovic - I'm feeling so bad for him, I still can't believe that Jose gives him to play every game and every game we get the same result (GOAL FROM IVANOVIC'S ZONE OR MISTAKE). 

 

We have a good rotation in our attack: Oscar, Willian, Hazard, Pedro, Kenedy, Traore, even Ramires. But even there I'm starting to worry about our biggest star, Hazard can't find himself. 

RLC hasn't been bad in the chances he has had, has he? Not from what i've seen. And CERTAINLY no worse than Fabregas. Surely we can give this guy a run in the side. We need to be putting some trust in this guy if he is to be as good as we believe he can be. 

 

If JT came through the academy to the first team this year, same as he did in 2000, i wonder if he would be getting a chance like he did in his first year after being on loan to Forrest. Pretty sure he was our player of the year that year!!

Begovic

Azpi  Zouma  Terry  Rahman

Matic

RLC  Oscar

Pedro                           Hazard

Costa

 

OR

 

Begovic

Azpi  Zouma  Terry  Rahman

Matic Rami

Pedro   Hazard  Willian

Costa

 

Surely these 2 formations and player changes would do a lot more than what we are currently seeing right ? I want to keep Fabregas in the team but it's just pointless at this point, he just isn't offering anything positive. Even tonight was set up a bit better for him and he offered very little. The guy just looks lost now, he looks like a player that put his whole career into one season to get his hands on a Premier league title and has nothing else in him to give.

 

Ivanovic looks done and the signs have been there for over a year. His ability to score important goals over shadowed what was a weakness in our defense last season. This season it is much worse because he has lost a yard of pace.

 

RLC is young, but this is the time to bring him in. He has a decent pass on him, looks a lot more physical than Fabregas and can drive forward quicker.

Begovic

Azpi Zouma Terry Rahman

Matic

RLC Oscar

Pedro Hazard

Costa

OR

Begovic

Azpi Zouma Terry Rahman

Matic Rami

Pedro Hazard Willian

Costa

Surely these 2 formations and player changes would do a lot more than what we are currently seeing right ? I want to keep Fabregas in the team but it's just pointless at this point, he just isn't offering anything positive. Even tonight was set up a bit better for him and he offered very little. The guy just looks lost now, he looks like a player that put his whole career into one season to get his hands on a Premier league title and has nothing else in him to give.

Ivanovic looks done and the signs have been there for over a year. His ability to score important goals over shadowed what was a weakness in our defense last season. This season it is much worse because he has lost a yard of pace.

RLC is young, but this is the time to bring him in. He has a decent pass on him, looks a lot more physical than Fabregas and can drive forward quicker.

Fantastic post Scott

I'd like to see those changes too but I will be surprised if we see them. If Jose's post match press conference is anything to go by he didn't see too many issue in defense. I've given up waiting for Ivan to be benched. I think he may have played more minutes this season than any other player which is nuts when you consider his form. 

I'm starting to think that Pedro, as good as he is, shouldn't be an automatic starter.

 

Also, I'm wondering if dropping Cahill over to Terry's usual spot has muddled up the back 4 even more.  We just don't look as assured, even if you take Ivan out of the equation

I'm starting to think that Pedro, as good as he is, shouldn't be an automatic starter.

 

Also, I'm wondering if dropping Cahill over to Terry's usual spot has muddled up the back 4 even more.  We just don't look as assured, even if you take Ivan out of the equation

 

I would still keep picking Pedro, i don't think he is the problem at all. Before he arrived were probably worse than we are now.

I would still keep picking Pedro, i don't think he is the problem at all. Before he arrived were probably worse than we are now.

Agreed. The chance he missed against Newcastle was bad by his standards but the majority of our team wouldn't have made that run anyway. And his a good presser of the ball which seems to be the key to us playing well.

I don't think Pedro offers as much defensive assurance as Willian does.  WIllian can help protect Ivan more (assuming Jose will continue to pick Ivan).

 

It's a double edged sword though, right?  Play Pedro and we have a better chance of scoring, but more likely to concede.  Willian would mean less goals shipped, and less scored.

I don't think Pedro offers as much defensive assurance as Willian does.  WIllian can help protect Ivan more (assuming Jose will continue to pick Ivan).

 

It's a double edged sword though, right?  Play Pedro and we have a better chance of scoring, but more likely to concede.  Willian would mean less goals shipped, and less scored.

 

To be honest we shouldn't be relying on our wingers to make sure the full backs play well enough not to concede. 

 

Dave needs next to no help from Hazard on the left who never has to track back as deep as the right sided player does. 

 

It's Fabregas being easier to bypass than last nights curry with a belly full of laxatives that's making things worse. 

I don't think Pedro offers as much defensive assurance as Willian does.  WIllian can help protect Ivan more (assuming Jose will continue to pick Ivan).

 

It's a double edged sword though, right?  Play Pedro and we have a better chance of scoring, but more likely to concede.  Willian would mean less goals shipped, and less scored.

 

Maybe play Pedro at where he is now and start Willian as RB?  :biggrin:

 

On a serious note, not only must Ivanovic buck up (or get dropped ideally), our central midfield must offer more protection to the back four too. Though, it's mostly Cesc for the latter.

There is too much focus on Fabregas (and Ivan), but we have to remember other managers and their tactical teams have analysed our play and set up accordingly. Stop Fabregas's distribution and you nullify much of our danger. With Hazard (who is somewhat above criticism) not performing to his high standard our unpredictability is reduced and nullified by good teams, resulting in too much reliance being placed on Fabregas and others. We saw in the West Brom match when our attack was more potent that they were forced into a more cautious approach. Unfortunately we haven't been able to impose ourselves - except sporadically - since then.

I'm not a football expert but it seems to me that we are suffering from a team problem, not any individual problem.

what puzzles me is why these players and the team as a whole are performing so below par? can it be that they are burnt out? if this is the case then jose should certainly realise this and instead of bemoaning the lack of activity in the transfer market, get that new blood in, give them a chance !!

It's difficult for players to get inspiration when they their captain is the worst player on the field every game. I'm not saying we will definitely win if JT plays, but if he does I expect to see a much committed performance from the whole team. I'm out of words for some of the players, but surely they know they are much better players than what they have showed so far, have some pride for FS!

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