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Do you agree with José's sacking?  

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Watford fan here.

 

There's no way you'd have gone down, and even with the impetus of a new manager you'll probably not catch up enough to compete for the title. So you have to ask, what did the board think they'd achieve by sacking him?

 

Now that you have, there's no chance on earth you'll ever get him back for a third time and you just know it'll come back to haunt you.

 

Your board have made a serious error in judgment.

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Watford fan here.

 

There's no way you'd have gone down, and even with the impetus of a new manager you'll probably not catch up enough to compete for the title. So you have to ask, what did the board think they'd achieve by sacking him?

 

Now that you have, there's no chance on earth you'll ever get him back for a third time and you just know it'll come back to haunt you.

 

Your board have made a serious error in judgment.

Spot on mate. Sad that an opposition fan speaks more sense than most on this board

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Watford fan here.

 

There's no way you'd have gone down, and even with the impetus of a new manager you'll probably not catch up enough to compete for the title. So you have to ask, what did the board think they'd achieve by sacking him?

 

Now that you have, there's no chance on earth you'll ever get him back for a third time and you just know it'll come back to haunt you.

 

Your board have made a serious error in judgment.

 

And that is really what it comes down to for me.  Logically, it would have made more sense to sack him a month and a bit ago when the league was still more of a manageable goal (like with Di Matteo).

 

The timing does nothing to achieve much of anything.

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Bad decision.  Only choice?  What limited world some live in.....

 

Sadly, wont be surprised to see this man lifting the BPL title over his head with MUFC within a few seasons.

 

Came here and showed he can mix up an entire squad and deliver success while barely spending net compared to direct rivals.  

 

Now the club is paying about 40million to sack that man in order to keep a squad of players intact who are capable of putting out half a season of relegation performances just after the won the title.

 

Some choice.

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We should have shown some balls .

Written this year off as a complete one off . Told Jose he is safe until the summer and then we sit down in Feb/March see who needs to go and who is coming in. Told JM he needs to get his house in order before the summer and get us back on track.

oh and send that chump Emenalo on a one way ticket to anywhere and tell him to never darken the door of our club again ............

odds on we will batter Sunderland now as the players will be so sh*t scared of the crowd turning on them and giving them the stick and abuse they deserve for letting us all down so badly this year.

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Sadly I think it was the right decision. Things were only getting worse especially with Jose turning on the players.

Being honest, how many of us are relieved by it? I am..it means we can actually start our season.

Start our f**king season? Your having a laugh aint ya?

 

Can't wait to start our season and end the year 10th. 

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We should have shown some balls .

Written this year off as a complete one off . Told Jose he is safe until the summer and then we sit down in Feb/March see who needs to go and who is coming in. Told JM he needs to get his house in order before the summer and get us back on track.

oh and send that chump Emenalo on a one way ticket to anywhere and tell him to never darken the door of our club again ............

odds on we will batter Sunderland now as the players will be so sh*t scared of the crowd turning on them and giving them the stick and abuse they deserve for letting us all down so badly this year.

 

Wouldn't have been much use when we were in the Championship next season.

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Chelsea should have stuck with Jose

 

In the January tranfer window I am sure he would have got a few players in

 

Chelsea have not replaced Drogba, Lampard and JT has his best years behind him. He would have made an effective sub and maybe come on for the last 20 minutes of games. Hazard looks tired and needs a break, Costa is a loose cannon. Basically on Monday, Jose told his players which way Vardy and Marhez score and need at least 2 defenders on them and the Chelsea ignored Jose and we scored.

 

What gets me is that Chelsea could have won it near the end, We cleared off the line and hung on. The last 30 minutes or so it was all Chelsea,  

 

Who are you going to get in now? Maybe Gus till the end of the season and Pep from the start of the next season. Will Pep come to Chelsea with Roman in charge 

 

Seems that Chelsea as well as others get a new Manager every couple of years. This cannot be good for football. Jose loved Chelsea and would not have let Chelsea go down even more. I can honestly see Chelsea fighting a relagation battle not that Jose has gone.

 

Roman and the board have cocked up big time.

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Wouldn't have been much use when we were in the Championship next season.

Well thats still a possibility.  It's still the same team that has played its way into the relegation fight..... well unless these players now show that this horrible season was purely them not trying hard enough.  Wouldn't be surprising,

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Bad decision.  Only choice?  What limited world some live in.....

 

limited by reality. you can blindly hope things will improve despite literally no evidence that it will happen, or can choose to grow up and accept some things are the case whether you like it or not. it was the only choice for the club to move on. if you prefer to live in a world where you only believe evidence when it suits you that is fine. If you prefer to live in a world where persevering with an untenable situation is fine so you can  comfort yourself with how great and loyal a supporter you are is that is fine.

 

but it sticks in the throat to have my world- the world where no one has been stabbed in the back, where no one has been betrayed, where no one has some evil masterplan and where there are uncomfortable truths as well as comfortable ones- laballed as 'limited'. closing your eyes, sticking your fingers in your ears and denying what is in front of you doesn't suggest an open mind, it suggests a dreamer who refuses to face reality.

 

Sadly, wont be surprised to see this man lifting the BPL title over his head with MUFC within a few seasons.

 

quite, quite possible. and also quite, quite irrelevant. overall, jose's abilities as a manager are not diminished. but those abilities have totally ceased to be effective at our club. a new club and a new context will surely see them effective again. but not here.

 

Came here and showed he can mix up an entire squad and deliver success while barely spending net compared to direct rivals.  

 

absolutely. he's a great of the modern game.

 

Now the club is paying about 40million (10 million) to sack that man in order to keep a squad of players intact who are capable of putting out half a season of relegation performances just after the won the title.

 

in other words he's responsible for the good performances but not the bad ones? the truth is he's responsible for both. and the only important question is he capable of rehabilitating that form? if he was, why didn't it happen? the idea that we can change the entire contracted playing staff (at huge costs- far more than the 40m you think sacking him has cost) is absolutely ridiculous and speaks to either your naivety or your unwillingness to confront an unpleasant truth.

 

Some choice.

 

lets be clear- I haven't seen any chelsea supporter happy about this. the choice was about short and long term damage limitation. I'm confident in saying our next manager (long term) will be a worse manager than mourinho. I have no idea when we will be able to challenge for the league again, let alone win it. but I'm also sure that we will do better without jose than we have with him this season. and that will be the case next season too. if our interim manager wins against sunderland he will have exactly one quarter of the wins jose has achieved in the league this season.

 

the choice was unpalatable which is why I think most people on here are against it. the choice is between bad and worse.  no-one wants to choose bad. and it hurts to say it, but apparently it needs saying;

 

jose was worse.

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Bad decision. Only choice? What limited world some live in.....

Sadly, wont be surprised to see this man lifting the BPL title over his head with MUFC within a few seasons.

Came here and showed he can mix up an entire squad and deliver success while barely spending net compared to direct rivals.

Now the club is paying about 40million to sack that man in order to keep a squad of players intact who are capable of putting out half a season of relegation performances just after the won the title.

Some choice.

Pretty much all of this

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Bad decision.  Only choice?  What limited world some live in.....

 

limited by reality. you can blindly hope things will improve despite literally no evidence that it will happen, or can choose to grow up and accept some things are the case whether you like it or not. it was the only choice for the club to move on. if you prefer to live in a world where you only believe evidence when it suits you that is fine. If you prefer to live in a world where persevering with an untenable situation is fine so you can  comfort yourself with how great and loyal a supporter you are is that is fine.

 

but it sticks in the throat to have my world- the world where no one has been stabbed in the back, where no one has been betrayed, where no one has some evil masterplan and where there are uncomfortable truths as well as comfortable ones- laballed as 'limited'. closing your eyes, sticking your fingers in your ears and denying what is in front of you doesn't suggest an open mind, it suggests a dreamer who refuses to face reality.

 

Sadly, wont be surprised to see this man lifting the BPL title over his head with MUFC within a few seasons.

 

quite, quite possible. and also quite, quite irrelevant. overall, jose's abilities as a manager are not diminished. but those abilities have totally ceased to be effective at our club. a new club and a new context will surely see them effective again. but not here.

 

Came here and showed he can mix up an entire squad and deliver success while barely spending net compared to direct rivals.  

 

absolutely. he's a great of the modern game.

 

Now the club is paying about 40million (10 million) to sack that man in order to keep a squad of players intact who are capable of putting out half a season of relegation performances just after the won the title.

 

in other words he's responsible for the good performances but not the bad ones? the truth is he's responsible for both. and the only important question is he capable of rehabilitating that form? if he was, why didn't it happen? the idea that we can change the entire contracted playing staff (at huge costs- far more than the 40m you think sacking him has cost) is absolutely ridiculous and speaks to either your naivety or your unwillingness to confront an unpleasant truth.

 

Some choice.

 

lets be clear- I haven't seen any chelsea supporter happy about this. the choice was about short and long term damage limitation. I'm confident in saying our next manager (long term) will be a worse manager than mourinho. I have no idea when we will be able to challenge for the league again, let alone win it. but I'm also sure that we will do better without jose than we have with him this season. and that will be the case next season too. if our interim manager wins against sunderland he will have exactly one quarter of the wins jose has achieved in the league this season.

 

the choice was unpalatable which is why I think most people on here are against it. the choice is between bad and worse.  no-one wants to choose bad. and it hurts to say it, but apparently it needs saying;

 

jose was worse.

 

I say there are not only other viable options, but better options. January transfer window arrives, boom another option.

 

 

 

So you admit Mourinho could win the BPL with MUFC within a few seasons but argue that Mourinho can't succeed here, where he already has?  Sorry, Im just going to let that one hang in the wind.  I think it kind of addresses itself.

 

Mourinho is responsible for tactics, not individual performances.  Im getting sh*t because I give credit to JM for Hazard finally winning BPL player of the season when he couldnt even win CFC player of the season prior, yet we now freely give credit to JM for the poor performances? 

 

 

Speaks to my naivety that Mourinho could rapidly change the squad without spending massive?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1DJGAPoMuk

 

I'm a big fan of believing someone can do something when they have already proven they can.....Did you forget?

 

Why inst the position of some players untenable?  Their contracts are no stronger and you can actually get paid for getting shot of them, you dont have to buy out their contract.

 

We all slate Mourinho because he hasn't mixed things up.  Fair enough.  Yet here are the facts.  The tactics and selections that has lead to a relegation fight this season are the same tactics and selections that won the BPL and CC last season.

 

Same squad and tactics but a difference between Champions of British football and British Championship football.  So quite clearly, if we think about it in a logical manner, we see that the results have vastly differed to the point where we must look at the execution of those tactics.  That's the players job and as bad as we want Mourino to be at fault for that, he doesnt control their efforts nor does he control what exactly they do on the pitch.  He can only set them up.  

 

And if it was the managers failings and not a case of huge culpability from the players, then why is the difference so drastic?

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Chelsea should have stuck with Jose

In the January tranfer window I am sure he would have got a few players in

Chelsea have not replaced Drogba, Lampard and JT has his best years behind him. He would have made an effective sub and maybe come on for the last 20 minutes of games. Hazard looks tired and needs a break, Costa is a loose cannon. Basically on Monday, Jose told his players which way Vardy and Marhez score and need at least 2 defenders on them and the Chelsea ignored Jose and we scored.

What gets me is that Chelsea could have won it near the end, We cleared off the line and hung on. The last 30 minutes or so it was all Chelsea,

Who are you going to get in now? Maybe Gus till the end of the season and Pep from the start of the next season. Will Pep come to Chelsea with Roman in charge

Seems that Chelsea as well as others get a new Manager every couple of years. This cannot be good for football. Jose loved Chelsea and would not have let Chelsea go down even more. I can honestly see Chelsea fighting a relagation battle not that Jose has gone.

Roman and the board have cocked up big time.

Just like Leicester board should have stuck with Nigel after unbelievable work he did in avoiding relegation?. But there were problems behind the scenes, weren't it? He got chopped, a new manager came in, now look where you guys are...
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A case of sack the team. Not the Manager.

 

Chelsea have been cutting expenditure for the last two seasons. Mourinho has had to sell to buy and in some cases not buy at all.

This helped to undermine Mourinho as he couldn't threaten under performing players with the chop as the players knew he had no alternatives, neither was

he going to get one in the transfer window.

This isn't even the first time it's happened. Player power ousted Villas Boas.

A dangerous precedence that doesn't bode well for the future.

 

Is it a case of the owner being too close to the players? In Madrid Mourinho encountered the same problem. A player could run to the president and air his grievances against the manager and get a hearing. No questions asked.

 

No manager can work in that environment.

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A case of sack the team. Not the Manager.

 

Chelsea have been cutting expenditure for the last two seasons. Mourinho has had to sell to buy and in some cases not buy at all.

This helped to undermine Mourinho as he couldn't threaten under performing players with the chop as the players knew he had no alternatives, neither was

he going to get one in the transfer window.

This isn't even the first time it's happened. Player power ousted Villas Boas.

A dangerous precedence that doesn't bode well for the future.

 

Is it a case of the owner being too close to the players? In Madrid Mourinho encountered the same problem. A player could run to the president and air his grievances against the manager and get a hearing. No questions asked.

 

No manager can work in that environment.

 

1) We sold players that Jose refused to use as he has favorites and runs teams into the ground. Having expensive unused assets hanging around being unhappy isn't a good thing.

2) Scolari is the only manager that can have anything to be disappointed about losing players. Jose is toxic at the best of times, AVB had god awful stubborn tactics that he used over and over and over despite not having the squad for it. 

3) Spending is a useless excuse for the scale of this collapse as the collapse exceeds any normal effect of lack of investment. 

4) Player power is part of football and every club. You can't remove 6-8 players every time they lose trust in the manager. It's way more expensive and more destabalising. 

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I say there are not only other viable options, but better options. January transfer window arrives, boom another option.

 

you think the answer is to transfer our way out of this mess in january? who would you sell? and to whom and for what? who would you buy and for what? you are seriously underestimating how severe and deep rooted a problem there is/ was and how hard it is to make huge, effective changes during a window- let alone the winter window.

 

So you admit Mourinho could win the BPL with MUFC within a few seasons but argue that Mourinho can't succeed here, where he already has?  Sorry, Im just going to let that one hang in the wind.  I think it kind of addresses itself.

 

with respect this is one of the most stupid things I've ever read on these forums in all iterations. you genuinely- genuinely- think that you've used logic here, don't you? christ. this is like when people smugly declared the world to be flat.

 

the point is that he has created an atmosphere that exists as long as he is in place as manager. that can't be undone. you seem to think I am saying that in six months he's stopped being a great manager.

 

you're not taking into account the way context specific cumulative factors affect things.

at another club he wouldn't have the context of:

 

-severely criticising the players in his squad in public

-erratically speaking about the form of the team,

-personally taking credit for something they achieved as a group

-having publicly and wrongly criticised two non playing members of staff

-not apologising for that criticism

-demoting said members of staff

-publicly challenging the board to sack him

-attempting to overlap pre season with the competitive season

 

at a new club none of those things would have any bearing on how effective a manager he is. at chelsea all of the above combined have had a clear and pronounced effect. and once you lose a dressing room as a manager you never recover.

 

 

Mourinho is responsible for tactics, not individual performances.

 

I genuinely don't know if you actually believe this

 

 Im getting sh*t because I give credit to JM for Hazard finally winning BPL player of the season when he couldnt even win CFC player of the season prior,

 

either he's responsible for individual performances or not. you can't have it both ways.

 

yet we now freely give credit to JM for the poor performances? 

 

he's complicit in both good and bad individual performances. obviously.

 

but above all it is the manager who is responsible for the performance of the team AS A WHOLE.

 

 

Speaks to my naivety that Mourinho could rapidly change the squad without spending massive?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1DJGAPoMuk

 

f*cking hell you genuinely think he can replace the vast majority of the squad to get out of this mess. yeah that is naive.

 

please read the following carefully:

 

replacing parts of the squad over a few windows when the team is behind you and functioning as well as it can in order to make marginal gains is NOT the same as replacing almost the entire team who are not behind you and no longer respond to your methods in an attempt to perform some dr frankenstein full body surgery of the squad in an attempt to rip up everything at start again from scratch. 

 

this is not football manager. in fact even in football manager you might get sacked for this. just ask barak.

 

 

I'm a big fan of believing someone can do something when they have already proven they can.....Did you forget?

 

this probably sounded better in your head, where it belongs, than written down, where it is easy to take apart. firstly I refer you to the stuff about context. secondly, the logical extension of this 'big belief' of yours is that the entire playing squad should remain the same because they've already proven they can win the title. OH WAIT THAT IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF YOUR FOOTBALL MANAGER TRADING CARDS SUPER JANUARY WINDOW STRATEGY.

 

Why inst the position of some players untenable?  Their contracts are no stronger and you can actually get paid for getting shot of them, you dont have to buy out their contract.

 

because they are not responsible for the toxic atmosphere one imagines the dressing room to be at the moment. but also because they need to agree to leave. they need to find clubs who will pay them equally. we would need to find buyers. everyone in football would know it would be a buyers market as jose wanted them out. we'd then be bent over trying to get replacements. with no guarantee of an improvement in quality, and no guarantee that the atmosphere is confined to just the players.  I think this should be the last season of a couple of players in the squad for various reasons. but jose was the root cause of our issues.

 

We all slate Mourinho because he hasn't mixed things up.  Fair enough.  Yet here are the facts.  The tactics and selections that has lead to a relegation fight this season are the same tactics and selections that won the BPL and CC last season.

 

yes, he's the same manager.

 

Same squad and tactics but a difference between Champions of British football and British Championship football.  So quite clearly, if we think about it in a logical manner, we see that the results have vastly differed to the point where we must look at the execution of those tactics.  That's the players job and as bad as we want Mourino to be at fault for that, he doesnt control their efforts nor does he control what exactly they do on the pitch.  He can only set them up.  

 

see contextual factors again. and really do read them. what I would add is that at the top level what makes the difference is man management. and jose's has ceased to be effective with this group.

 

And if it was the managers failings and not a case of huge culpability from the players, then why is the difference so drastic?

 

because of literally everything I've said.

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