I'd understand if we opted to sign Rudiger instead of someone WC. VVD is not even that plus we are still in for Boateng. If Boateng signs and we somehow made him fit again, he's WC talent but no, VVD is above average but he doesn't look at all like a WC talent

So where does this all leave Christensen?

3 minutes ago, Zeta said:

So where does this all leave Christensen?

Working hard to displace Cahill in a back three 

So if Rudiger comes in, that's:

Cahill
Christensen
Luiz
Rudiger
Azpilicueta
Zouma

For 3 positions.

I would assume Zouma will go out on loan.

Luiz presumably won't be dropped. Dave can't be dropped. So it could be Cahill, Christensen and Rudiger for 1 position, which would leave Christensen 3rd choice, which will mean he won't stay.

Unless we don't sign another RWB and Dave is moved to RWB, to free up a CB spot...???

41 minutes ago, Zeta said:

So where does this all leave Christensen?

Who knows, but as it stands if I had to guess I'd say Christensen will challenge Azpi at RCB and Rudiger will challenge Cahill, Luiz, or Moses

       Azpi/Christensen - Luiz (Rudiger/Christensen) - Rudiger/Cahill
Moses/Rudiger                                                     Alex Sandro?/Alonso

I'd say Rudiger's best position is RCB but I'm convinced Christensen will get his chance this season.

Just a wild guess.

Edited July 1, 20177 yr by the special one

Suppose we'll have to wait and see, but I hope these transfers are being made in conjunction with Conte and his plans, and we're not just signing players for the sake of it and hoping he can fit them in.

8 hours ago, bjd said:

I'd be very surprised if we dont break our own transfer fee record in the next 2 months.

Outside of a replacement for Diego Costa, that wouldn't happen and I would dare say even Lukaku is by no means a done deal.  I cannot see the club successfully purchasing a player who costs more than 50 million pounds outside of replacing a first choice striker.  One of the posters here made an interesting supposition in explaining why the club cannot conclude large deals successfully.  It has to do with Marina being a poor negotiator for the bigger transfers rather than Roman not wanting to shelve out the big bucks to buy said players.  I think this has some legs to it as the club is negotiating to to pay a fee in the 60 million pound range for Alex Sandro but the talks seem to be dragging on.  

2 hours ago, Argo said:

This isn't fifa career mode, i'd like to know the full stats on the top clubs and success% when it come to plan A's, outside of the big two in Spain i can't imagine the number is particularly high.

You maybe right, just dissapointing, that's all.

I think it'd be like this:

Azpi/Rudiger--Luiz/Christensen--Cahill/Christensen

Rudiger/Moses---Bakayoko/Kante---Fab/New CM---Alonso/New LWB

If Rudiger and Azpi plays together, they'd be interchanging. Then when one of them gets tired, there'll be a swap for Moses or vice versa.

If Rudiger can hack it, there's no way he won't displace Moses.

Christensen can duke it out with Cahill which should not be too hard if Christensen continues his upward trajectory as we all know Conte has no qualms about putting captains on benches.

If there aren't any new CB, Luiz and Christensen can duke it out or Christensen replacing Luiz if the latter is injured or whatever

10 hours ago, TheChelseaBlues said:

I think we should have done both of those in addition to this. Competition breeds excellence and having all three would make us better but Rudiger is a an upgrade right now over Ake and I think he will make Cahill redundant in combination with Christensen. 

RCB- Dave Cahill Christensen 

CB- Luiz Christensen Cahill

LCB- Rudiger Christensen Cahill

 

An upgrade? It's interesting to note that Roma seems so eager to sell off both their central defenders for relatively low fees.  

2 hours ago, Argo said:

This isn't fifa career mode, i'd like to know the full stats on the top clubs and success% when it come to plan A's, outside of the big two in Spain i can't imagine the number is particularly high.

You're right but city get who they want most of the time as do a good few other top clubs in our tier of money/lure/success we have probably the poorer record in recent years 

3 minutes ago, Deino said:

Christensen can duke it out with Cahill which should not be too hard if Christensen continues his upward trajectory as we all know Conte has no qualms about putting captains on benches.

You may be right but can't see Christensen playing at LCB myself, he's never played there in his career and I don't think Conte will risk it.

6 minutes ago, lchk said:

An upgrade? It's interesting to note that Roma seems so eager to sell off both their central defenders for relatively low fees.  

FFP. Prem teams have the TV deal to thank for but clubs in Italy especially those in CL needs to constantly balance the books.

Might I remind you they sold Salah, one of their best players, too. FFP is real over there

2 minutes ago, the special one said:

You may be right but can't see Christensen playing at LCB myself, he's never played there in his career and I don't think Conte will risk it.

He has tho in BM. Not a lot but he has. If Cahill who we all rate lower than Christensen can hack it, I've no reason to see why Christensen can't

That being said, it remains to be proven so I see what you're getting at.

3 minutes ago, DonAntonio said:

You're right but city get who they want most of the time as do a good few other top clubs in our tier of money/lure/success we have probably the poorer record in recent years 

City wanted Hazard in 2012 and didn't get him, they wanted Pogba and didn't get him, they want Ter Stegan but couldn't get him so went for Bravo and from what i heard Mendy is far from a foregone conclusion which is why they are keeping half an eye on Bertrand.

11 minutes ago, Deino said:

FFP. Prem teams have the TV deal to thank for but clubs in Italy especially those in CL needs to constantly balance the books.

Might I remind you they sold Salah, one of their best players, too. FFP is real over there

He has tho in BM. Not a lot but he has. If Cahill who we all rate lower than Christensen can hack it, I've no reason to see why Christensen can't

That being said, it remains to be proven so I see what you're getting at.

Roma's Defence has been their Achilles heel.  I don't think it's FFP that they are open to getting rid of both their central defenders.  Rather, I believe it has to do with better options available to them either internally or from the transfer market.

21 minutes ago, DonAntonio said:

You're right but city get who they want most of the time as do a good few other top clubs in our tier of money/lure/success we have probably the poorer record in recent years 

Ever since the signing of Costa, Luis and Fabregas, I cannot think of one example where the club has signed its supposedly first choice players.  

4 minutes ago, lchk said:

Roma's Defence has been their Achilles heel.  I don't think it's FFP that they are open to getting rid of both their central defenders.  Rather, I believe it has to do with better options available to them either internally or from the transfer market.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9841963/inter-milan-roma-and-monaco-punished-for-breaking-ffp-rules

http://romapress.us/2017/04/21/uefa-roma-comply-ffp-targets/

From UEFA's website:

http://www.uefa.com/community/news/newsid=2064391.html

 

4) Are clubs automatically excluded if they are not in line with FFP? 

 

If a club is not in line with the regulations, it will be UEFA's Club Financial Control Body that decides on measures and sanctions.

 

Non-compliance with the regulations does not mean that a club will be excluded automatically, but there will be no exceptions. Depending on various factors (e.g. the trend of the break-even result) different disciplinary measures may be imposed against a club. There is a catalogue of measures:

a) warning 

b) reprimand 

c) fine

d) deduction of points 

e) withholding of revenues from a UEFA competition

f) prohibition on registering new players in UEFA competitions 

g) restriction on the number of players that a club may register for participation in UEFA competitions, including a financial limit on the overall aggregate cost of the employee benefits expenses of players registered on the A-list for the purposes of UEFA club competitions

h) disqualification from competitions in progress and/or exclusion from future competitions

i) withdrawal of a title or award

 

In addition the CFCB have decided in numerous cases that the objectives of FFP can be best achieved by taking a rehabilitative approach rather than a punitive approach. This has led to the conclusion of settlement agreements between a club and the CFCB, combining certain financial contributions with numerous restrictive conditions, which provide a roadmap for clubs to reach break-even in the foreseeable future

TL;DR, This will be the 2nd time if they didn't comply and would probably result in severe ramifications

1 minute ago, Deino said:

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9841963/inter-milan-roma-and-monaco-punished-for-breaking-ffp-rules

http://romapress.us/2017/04/21/uefa-roma-comply-ffp-targets/

From UEFA's website:

http://www.uefa.com/community/news/newsid=2064391.html

 

4) Are clubs automatically excluded if they are not in line with FFP? 

 

If a club is not in line with the regulations, it will be UEFA's Club Financial Control Body that decides on measures and sanctions.

 

Non-compliance with the regulations does not mean that a club will be excluded automatically, but there will be no exceptions. Depending on various factors (e.g. the trend of the break-even result) different disciplinary measures may be imposed against a club. There is a catalogue of measures:

a) warning 

b) reprimand 

c) fine

d) deduction of points 

e) withholding of revenues from a UEFA competition

f) prohibition on registering new players in UEFA competitions 

g) restriction on the number of players that a club may register for participation in UEFA competitions, including a financial limit on the overall aggregate cost of the employee benefits expenses of players registered on the A-list for the purposes of UEFA club competitions

h) disqualification from competitions in progress and/or exclusion from future competitions

i) withdrawal of a title or award

 

In addition the CFCB have decided in numerous cases that the objectives of FFP can be best achieved by taking a rehabilitative approach rather than a punitive approach. This has led to the conclusion of settlement agreements between a club and the CFCB, combining certain financial contributions with numerous restrictive conditions, which provide a roadmap for clubs to reach break-even in the foreseeable future

TL;DR, This will be the 2nd time if they didn't comply and would probably result in severe ramifications

Salah was mentioned in the news as being sold because Roma wanted to balance the books.  And that's done and dusted.

But for Rudiger? 

No mention of FFP regarding his sale.  I think it's more to his being easily replaceable than anything else.

 

 

 

15 minutes ago, lchk said:

Salah was mentioned in the news as being sold because Roma wanted to balance the books.  And that's done and dusted.

But for Rudiger? 

No mention of FFP regarding his sale.  I think it's more to his being easily replaceable than anything else.

 

 

 

It was supposed to end with Manolas to Zenit, when that fell through, Chelsea enquired about Manolas, they said no then we asked about Rudiger then they said ok. 

They had to quickly complete the transfer since iirc the fiscal year ends 30 June/1st July. It might be that he is easily replacable but seeing as we've already agreed upon negotiations with Rudiger last summer so it won't drag on as much as it would have with Manolas since they have a deadline and can't afford being penalized again. 

Or, since they broke even, they need money to fund new transfers

Edited July 1, 20177 yr by Deino

4 hours ago, lchk said:

Ever since the signing of Costa, Luis and Fabregas, I cannot think of one example where the club has signed its supposedly first choice players.  

Other than Kante you're right they haven't 

Mirror saying Citeh to Gazzump us for him, dear me can we not cobble together one signing......

Possibly why the deal has moved so quickly

 

1 hour ago, Ballack & Blu said:

Mirror saying Citeh to Gazzump us for him, dear me can we not cobble together one signing......

That's nonsense by the way. If they wanted him, they'd have gone for him way before we even registered interest.

Negotiations through WhatsApp 

Marina: Can we buy Manolas?

Monchi: No

Marina: Rudiger?

Monchi: 

 

4 hours ago, DonAntonio said:

Other than Kante you're right they haven't 

Kante's transfer situation at Leicester was a rare one as he had a relatively low trigger release clause value.  If his Leceister contract did not contain one, I reckon the transfer fee would have been much higher and the Board might have backed out of it due to the size of the fee.  Again, it goes back to being to get deals done due to fee size.

8 hours ago, Deino said:

It was supposed to end with Manolas to Zenit, when that fell through, Chelsea enquired about Manolas, they said no then we asked about Rudiger then they said ok. 

They had to quickly complete the transfer since iirc the fiscal year ends 30 June/1st July. It might be that he is easily replacable but seeing as we've already agreed upon negotiations with Rudiger last summer so it won't drag on as much as it would have with Manolas since they have a deadline and can't afford being penalized again. 

Or, since they broke even, they need money to fund new transfers

I am thinking it's the latter explanation and Roma does need to refresh its defense which is its weakest part of the team. 

Rudiger replaces Ake?  Yes, I believe so.  But certainly not good enough to replace even Cahill in the first team.